Healthcare "Reform" creates doctor shortage

KingCondanomation

KingCondanomation

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As well this doctor shortage in addition to pushing up wait times will also push up prices with scarcity in supply of labor.

This bill absolutely needs to be repealed. Swing voters voted to stop the Iraq war, not create yet more huge interference and problems in the healthcare sector.


"The new federal health-care law has raised the stakes for hospitals and schools already scrambling to train more doctors.
Experts warn there won't be enough doctors to treat the millions of people newly insured under the law. At current graduation and training rates, the nation could face a shortage of as many as 150,000 doctors in the next 15 years, according to the Association of American Medical Colleges. "
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100....html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsSecond

Repeal the healthcare bill.
 
doctors are limiting the supply then crying, whambulance let them eat cake with the racist tea baggers.
 
Topspin said:
doctors are limiting the supply then crying, whambulance let them eat cake with the racist tea baggers.
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Why would they limit supply?
They are training more of course - that's in the article, but that takes time and the more important point is that by moving even more to a system that puts no natural limits on demand (ie: more people who have others paying for healthcare so they have no incentive to limit their use) the demand will always outpace the supply. Hence the waiting times in socialized healthcare systems.

You know, the history of healthcare in America is very interesting, each time government has interfered (ie: Patients Rights Act, HMO Act) the problems have only gotten worse. Yet ironically more blame to the ever-shrinking "free market".
It needs to stop and go the other way with less government once again, which while imperfect is still better.
 
There is already a dr shortage.

Having enough Drs in the country to treat everyone who needs treatment is something we need to do dont you think?
 
evince said:
There is already a dr shortage.

Having enough Drs in the country to treat everyone who needs treatment is something we need to do dont you think?
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they keep the standards and the price too high so they can keep their salaries unfairly high.
 
KingCondanomation said:
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Why would they limit supply?
They are training more of course - that's in the article, but that takes time and the more important point is that by moving even more to a system that puts no natural limits on demand (ie: more people who have others paying for healthcare so they have no incentive to limit their use) the demand will always outpace the supply. Hence the waiting times in socialized healthcare systems.
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I have what amounts to universal health care. I've had it all my life. The incentive to "limit my use" is in the hassle of having to go to the doctor in the first place. Of having to wait a long time for appointments or wait an hour or two past my appointment time when I'm there...which I have to do most of the time whether I am using my universal health care hospital or if I go to a public hospital and use the insurance I pay for. When you have something like a sinus infection and have to wait three weeks for an appointment in either place...it doesn't do much good. I don't know if flooding the hospitals with appointments because Johnny's got a cold will take place or not. I know there is a shorage of doctors now...and the shortage is likely to continue but I'm not sure that is a reason I don't like the health care bill.
 
Topspin said:
they keep the standards and the price too high so they can keep their salaries unfairly high.
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I've seen you say this before and I don't think I agree. I want the standards high. I don't really want a doctor who made it through Med. School with a "D" treating my kid. I think the prices are unfairly high due to supply/demand and high (and getting higher) malpractice insurance.
 
leaningright said:
I've seen you say this before and I don't think I agree. I want the standards high. I don't really want a doctor who made it through Med. School with a "D" treating my kid. I think the prices are unfairly high due to supply/demand and high (and getting higher) malpractice insurance.
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your near illiterate on economics or common sense. Where did I even come close to saying a D is good enough. My example was a guy who had a 3.88 in pre med is that a D nitwit.
 
Topspin said:
they keep the standards and the price too high so they can keep their salaries unfairly high.
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The standards have to be high, they are mandated by the Patients Rights Act of the late 90's (remember this was the bill that the Dems passed that was going to fix healthcare and the "free market") or they can be sued, so it resulted in a de facto drop of cheaper care. You can get the best or nothing at all, there is no in between allowed.
 
leaningright said:
I have what amounts to universal health care. I've had it all my life. The incentive to "limit my use" is in the hassle of having to go to the doctor in the first place. Of having to wait a long time for appointments or wait an hour or two past my appointment time when I'm there...which I have to do most of the time whether I am using my universal health care hospital or if I go to a public hospital and use the insurance I pay for. When you have something like a sinus infection and have to wait three weeks for an appointment in either place...it doesn't do much good. I don't know if flooding the hospitals with appointments because Johnny's got a cold will take place or not. I know there is a shorage of doctors now...and the shortage is likely to continue but I'm not sure that is a reason I don't like the health care bill.
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Sure the hassle is I suppose a disincentive but you live rural leaning, when the nearest doctor to you is just down the street in inner cities then not so much a hassle.
I think you can agree with me that though time is a disincentive, it's nowhere close to being the disincentive that cost is. I mean we've seen people line up to save cents on gas, if that doesn't make the case I don't know what does.
 
KingCondanomation said:
The standards have to be high, they are mandated by the Patients Rights Act of the late 90's (remember this was the bill that the Dems passed that was going to fix healthcare and the "free market") or they can be sued, so it resulted in a de facto drop of cheaper care. You can get the best or nothing at all, there is no in between allowed.
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hey burger king show me the GPA standard in that act?
 
Topspin said:
your near illiterate on economics or common sense. Where did I even come close to saying a D is good enough. My example was a guy who had a 3.88 in pre med is that a D nitwit.
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Just throwing that out to make a point Topper. Ever hear of hyperbole? I also like your need to try to demean anyone who dares disagree with you. Says a lot about the gent you are. :)
 
leaningright said:
Just throwing that out to make a point Topper. Ever hear of hyperbole? I also like your need to try to demean anyone who dares disagree with you. Says a lot about the gent you are. :)
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use an asswhipe bullshit comparison is lame, that's what your good at. tool:pke:
 
A lot of what we see doctors for could be handled by nurses or other people (like nurse practioners).

That would free up the Dr for more patients who actually need to see them.
 
WinterBorn said:
A lot of what we see doctors for could be handled by nurses or other people (like nurse practioners).

That would free up the Dr for more patients who actually need to see them.
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This is the way I see it. I know that when I get a sinus infection that I need antibiotics to take care of it. I know that I usually need Amoxicillan but that if I have had that in the past 6 months I need to use something different like Doxicylene or a Z-pack. But to get that I have to go through the hassle of an appointment and the trouble of taking off work and such. It shouldn't be that way.
 
leaningright said:
I've seen you say this before and I don't think I agree. I want the standards high. I don't really want a doctor who made it through Med. School with a "D" treating my kid. I think the prices are unfairly high due to supply/demand and high (and getting higher) malpractice insurance.
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The cutoff for failure in Med School on any exam or test is 80%. It isn't unusual, though, for grades to be curved in order to balance out poor scores on extremely difficult tests, and some test questions may be examined by a board if complaints suggest that they are too vague or tricky to be answered correctly. If so, they may be removed from the test and tests then are regraded.

You know what they say, though. What do they call the person who graduated in last place in his/her Med. Sch. class? "Doctor". I don't want that person treating me.
 
WinterBorn said:
A lot of what we see doctors for could be handled by nurses or other people (like nurse practioners).

That would free up the Dr for more patients who actually need to see them.
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That's a really good point. Unfortunately with providing more free care and not paying directly for it, people will just demand the best.
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The healthcare "reform" passed just takes us further from that.
 
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