Did someone say 'no rationed medical care'?

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hardest part, how to say no

From an economic perspective, health reform will fail if we can’t sometimes push back against the try-anything instinct. The new agencies will be hounded by accusations of rationing, and Medicare’s long-term budget deficit will grow.

So figuring out how we can say no may be the single toughest and most important task facing the people who will be in charge of carrying out reform. “Being able to say no,” Dr. Alan Garber of Stanford says, “is the heart of the issue.”
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just don't say 'death panels'.
 
yes. That crazy instinct of trying anything to save lives.

why do liberals hate humans? oh yeah. they're population control freak genociders.
 
I am 100% certain that eventually they will limit what health services people get. We got a preview a couple months ago with the breast exam thing.
 
Onceler said:
Then you agree we currently have a system of privatized death panels?
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No, we have a system of choice where people can buy insurance where they agree to specific rules when they buy it. We have a government that can and does regulate these private companies. We also have charitable organiztions that aid people who need treatment. We have Not For Profit hospitals that care for children with devestating illnesses FREE OF CHARGE to parents who have no insurance.

I have had to appeal to my state insurance regulator twice in the last 5 years. Once for a life insurance policy and once for an auto policy....both times I went through the very simple and easy to understand proccess, I won.

The government, on the other hand in selling this boondoggel, were emphatic that there would be no death panels...aka denial of service, and that people's private insurance would not change and in fact that they'd save money. It was all a lie and stupid lemming's that are nothing but party hacks, jumped on that bandwagon.

Health care reform could have been done smartly at little to no cost, but that would not have given 1/6 of the US economy to the feds...and THAT is why it was done the OBAMA way!
 
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Ice Dancer said:
No, we have a system of choice where people can buy insurance where they agree to specific rules when they buy it. We have a government that can and does regulate these private companies. We also have charitable organiztions that aid people who need treatment. We have Not For Profit hospitals that care for children with devestating illnesses FREE OF CHARGE to parents who have no insurance.

I have had to appeal to my state insurance regulator twice in the last 5 years. Once for a life insurance policy and once for an auto policy....both times I went through the very simple and easy to understand proccess, I won.

The government, on the other hand in selling this boondoggel, were emphatic that there would be no death panels...aka denial of service, and that people's private insurance would not change and in fact that they'd save money. It was all a lie and stupid lemming's that are nothing but party hacks, jumped on that bandwagon.

Health care reform could have been done smartly at little to no cost, but that would not have given 1/6 of the US economy to the feds...and THAT is why it was done the OBAMA way!
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More spin from the Spin Queen!

Of course she's happy with privatized death panels...that's why all she did was sit on her thumbs and whine while some in this country tried to reform the status quo.

Of course NOW she's got all these great "no cost" ideas for reforming health insurance , but where was she and everyone else in the party of NO when healthcare was REALLY being debated?

Sitting on their well fed asses, shouting down anyone trying to engage in reasonable discussion.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
More spin from the Spin Queen!

Of course she's happy with privatized death panels...that's why all she did was sit on her thumbs and whine while some in this country tried to reform the status quo.

Of course NOW she's got all these great "no cost" ideas for reforming health insurance , but where was she and everyone else in the party of NO when healthcare was REALLY being debated?

Sitting on their well fed asses, shouting down anyone trying to engage in reasonable discussion.
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In a totalitarian system, when the death panel rules, it is final.

The current system needs reform no doubt, but you fools are going in the wrong direction. Letting old people die and denying new treatments EN MASSE will be a main costcutting method if this travesty is not repealed immediately, which it will be.

You know now the insurance companies can point at the government death panel and say "look, the government is tying my hands". This is pro death fascism writ large.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Sitting on their well fed asses, shouting down anyone trying to engage in reasonable discussion.
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Leave to the gluttonous zap to be envious that someone else might be well fed...don't worry ya porker my portions are small...you can still have everyones left-overs!
 
Ice Dancer said:
Leave to the gluttonous zap to be envious that someone else might be well fed...don't worry ya porker my portions are small...you can still have everyones left-overs!
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Notice how the uninformed BeckBot simply WILL NOT respond to points made, but instead makes straight for the nearest fat joke in order to humiliate??

It's the SOP of most of your braindead Righties...
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Notice how the uninformed BeckBot simply WILL NOT respond to points made, but instead makes straight for the nearest fat joke in order to humiliate??

It's the SOP of most of your braindead Righties...
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You're the only one here who is uninformed. You're still in denial about death panels.

And republicans made plenty of suggestions during debate. They were all ignored.

Youre as bad at lying as obama is.
 
AssHatZombie said:
In a totalitarian system, when the death panel rules, it is final.

The current system needs reform no doubt, but you fools are going in the wrong direction. Letting old people die and denying new treatments EN MASSE will be a main costcutting method if this travesty is not repealed immediately, which it will be.

You know now the insurance companies can point at the government death panel and say "look, the government is tying my hands". This is pro death fascism writ large.
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What can I say? It's been over two weeks and yet, not one asteroid has crashed into the Earth. Not one old person has been lined up and shot for being too old. I'm still able to say what I want and go where I want, despite all the fearmongering and dire warnings from the Right about how all those things would happen if we voted for HCR.

Maybe if you guys toned down the hyperbole two or three notches people might believe you, but all the dire predictions of apocalyptic doom are just plain stupid.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
More spin from the Spin Queen!

Of course she's happy with privatized death panels...that's why all she did was sit on her thumbs and whine while some in this country tried to reform the status quo.

Of course NOW she's got all these great "no cost" ideas for reforming health insurance , but where was she and everyone else in the party of NO when healthcare was REALLY being debated?

Sitting on their well fed asses, shouting down anyone trying to engage in reasonable discussion.
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How freaking great would it be if the Republicans were actually the party of no. Imagine a politician or politicians actually standing up and telling the American people look at the path we've set for ourselves that it will be fiscally unsustainable. Instead the Republicans are pussies and when they had the chance to say no while in power they spent as much as they could trying to win votes and rightfully got their sorry asses thrown out of office.

Of course now it's convenient to say no but let's see if they step up and actually do it the next time they return to power.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
What can I say? It's been over two weeks and yet, not one asteroid has crashed into the Earth. Not one old person has been lined up and shot for being too old. I'm still able to say what I want and go where I want, despite all the fearmongering and dire warnings from the Right about how all those things would happen if we voted for HCR.

Maybe if you guys toned down the hyperbole two or three notches people might believe you, but all the dire predictions of apocalyptic doom are just plain stupid.
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ok obama regurgitation machine. Get some original thoughts.
 
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