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Diogenes
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There is a noticeable rift among Republicans concerning legal immigration policies.
Here's an overview of the current disagreements:
In summary, the Republican Party is not monolithic in its approach to legal immigration.
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Here's an overview of the current disagreements:
- Divergence in views on legal immigration levels: There is a clear divide between "Trump Republicans" and "non-Trump Republicans." While a majority of Trump Republicans advocate for decreasing legal immigration, non-Trump Republicans are more likely to support maintaining current levels or even increasing them. This division was highlighted in surveys showing that 66% of Trump Republicans favor decreasing legal immigration, compared to only 38% of non-Trump Republicans.
- Policy preferences: Among Republican supporters, there are differing views on how to handle legal immigration. Some Republicans push for policies that would restrict legal pathways, like the RAISE Act, which aimed to limit family-based immigration. In contrast, others within the party support measures to make legal immigration easier, especially for those fleeing violence or for skilled workers in sectors like agriculture or tech
- Ideological and regional differences: The rift also manifests in ideological lines and regional interests. For instance, non-Trump Republicans, especially those not aligned with the MAGA wing, tend to be more open to legal immigration reforms that could facilitate legal status or citizenship for certain groups. Meanwhile, conservative Republicans often emphasize stricter controls and are less supportive of expanding legal immigration.
- Public sentiment and political strategy: The sentiment among Republican voters and the strategic political positioning of Republican politicians also contribute to this rift. While there's a strong anti-illegal immigration stance, the debate on legal immigration has become polarized, with some seeing economic benefits in legal immigration, while others are concerned about cultural and demographic changes.
In summary, the Republican Party is not monolithic in its approach to legal immigration.
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Here we go, yeah, we do let more people into our country than nearly anyone else, and our requirements are a joke compared to others. But unlike the lock-step Democrats, we in the Republican party actually like a good debate - it's how you get to the best solutions, not by following the hive mind. So, you will find differing opinions in our party. Shocking!
Don't even try to throw Germany at me with their disastrous immigration policies, all thanks to some postmodernist clown. Look at the mess they're in now. Let all of America have the debate and find a solid solution that allows as many people possible to come here and join the productive. I for one know we need legal immigrants, the left-wingers in particular are aborting far too much potential every day.
AI's 'THOUGHTS' are about as good as the person asking the questions, try using your own thoughts. AI is great for grabbing some numbers and making a nice picture but it still requires a little human contemplation and input to make a solid point. Maybe someday it will rule us, but don't let it take over your mind just yet.
Diogenes
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Is that so?
T. A. Gardner
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As a high school or college student, sure. They are entry level jobs that give you experience in the workplace. They aren't careers.
IS ANY JPP MEMBER WILLING TO WORK FOR THESE SALARIES? H1B'S ARE
Diogenes
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Have you any data to suggest that US citizens who are high school or college students are managing convenience stores?
T. A. Gardner
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They could easily be a shift manager at such a store.
Diogenes
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Diogenes
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Some of the jobs H-1B Visa holders have been hired to perform:
It’s all publicly available.
Unless you're a citizen willing to work these jobs for these wages, maybe you should sit down.
- 711 cashier
- Track coach
- Cook
- Dog trainer
- Baker
- Massage therapist
- Janitor
- Director of Pickleball
It’s all publicly available.
Unless you're a citizen willing to work these jobs for these wages, maybe you should sit down.
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Diogenes
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The reason top tech companies often hire foreign-born & first-generation engineers over “native” Americans isn’t because of an innate American IQ deficit (a lazy & wrong explanation).
A key part of it comes down to the c-word: culture.
Tough questions demand tough answers & if we’re really serious about fixing the problem, we have to confront the TRUTH:
Our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long (at least since the 90s and likely longer).
That doesn’t start in college, it starts YOUNG.A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad champ, or the jock over the valedictorian, will not produce the best engineers.
A culture that venerates Cory from “Boy Meets World,” or Zach & Slater over Screech in “Saved by the Bell,” or ‘Stefan’ over Steve Urkel in “Family Matters,” will not produce the best engineers. (Fact: I know *multiple* sets of immigrant parents in the 90s who actively limited how much their kids could watch those TV shows precisely because they promoted mediocrity…and their kids went on to become wildly successful STEM graduates).
More movies like Whiplash, fewer reruns of “Friends.”
More math tutoring, fewer sleepovers.
More weekend science competitions, fewer Saturday morning cartoons.
More books, less TV.
More creating, less “chillin.”
More extracurriculars, less “hanging out at the mall.”
Most normal American parents look skeptically at “those kinds of parents.”
More normal American kids view such “those kinds of kids” with scorn.
If you grow up aspiring to normalcy, normalcy is what you will achieve.
Now close your eyes & visualize which families you knew in the 90s (or even now) who raise their kids according to one model versus the other.
Be brutally honest. “Normalcy” doesn’t cut it in a hyper-competitive global market for technical talent.
And if we pretend like it does, we’ll have our asses handed to us by China.
This can be our Sputnik moment. We’ve awaken from slumber before & we can do it again.
Trump’s election hopefully marks the beginning of a new golden era in America, but only if our culture fully wakes up.
A culture that once again prioritizes achievement over normalcy; excellence over mediocrity; nerdiness over conformity; hard work over laziness.
That’s the work we have cut out for us, rather than wallowing in victimhood & just wishing (or legislating) alternative hiring practices into existence. I’m confident we can do it.
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