Biometric National ID cards

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Well, here comes... a new fight over a biometric national ID card -- and if you don’t have the card, you can’t work.

Right now, Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY), banding together with other politicians from both parties, to write a new “immigration reform” bill.

This bill is a statist’s dream -- “amnesty” for illegal immigrants and a biometric ID card for virtually everyone else.

What say you?

Is this a Statist power grab?
 
T&A said:
According to Graham, the cards will guarantee that employers know their applicants are legal workers.
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yeah, they would leave an employer no wiggle room. The trouble is how much of our personal info gets stored on them? Is it as some suggest a grab by government to circumvent our right to privacy?
 
wanderingbear said:
Here come the number of the beast again.
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Yes. I can't see how Christians would be happy with any biometric identification simply because of this stuff...

For those who might be of a different religious group than evangelical Christian, the mark of the beast is something that they believe will be required to work or purchase anything during the Tribulation (when the Anti-Christ has his time).
 
seems that enough rhetoric about illegals has raised the fear factor so that the sheep will accept a national id :eek:
 
Damocles said:
Yes. I can't see how Christians would be happy with any biometric identification simply because of this stuff...

For those who might be of a different religious group than evangelical Christian, the mark of the beast is something that they believe will be required to work or purchase anything during the Tribulation (when the Anti-Christ has his time).
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No, "Evangelical" is not the tag, it is a particular teaching of some evangelicals known as "dispensationalism". Dispensationalist's are not the majority of Christiandom, though they have influenced the Church with such fictional books like the Left Behind series. Other sects who think there is a literal mark are Jehovah Witnesses.

The notion of a literal mark of the beast is a fairly modern hermeneutic.
 
Ice Dancer said:
No, "Evangelical" is not the tag, it is a particular teaching of some evangelicals known as "dispensationalism". Dispensationalist's are not the majority of Christiandom, though they have influenced the Church with such fictional books like the Left Behind series. Other sects who think there is a literal mark are Jehovah Witnesses.

The notion of a literal mark of the beast is a fairly modern hermeneutic.
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Well, in every pentecostal and evangelical southern baptist church I have ever attended (and they were legion when I was a child as this was the world I grew up in) this is what they are taught. It's so ingrained in me, that I would refuse chipping even though I am not a believer.

(BTW - I am not speaking against an identification card with that, just bio-chipping. I also freely admit it is from ingrained paranoia that I still can't shake.)
 
Damocles said:
Well, in every pentecostal and evangelical southern baptist church I have ever attended (and they were legion when I was a child as this was the world I grew up in) this is what they are taught. It's so ingrained in me, that I would refuse chipping even though I am not a believer.

(BTW - I am not speaking against an identification card with that, just bio-chipping. I also freely admit it is from ingrained paranoia that I still can't shake.)
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Dispensationalism is more prevelent in the South. Dallas Seminary is the mecca of dispensational teaching. Now there is a new dispensationalism known as "progressive dispensationalism" which is totally whacked.

Like the Patriot Act, I understand why a government thinks it is a neccesary by-product of the times. I get why the card could be the easiest way to hold employers accountable and deter illegals from coming in...but like the PA, I think the cost to our privacy, and hence our freedoms, is too great.
 
Ice Dancer said:
Dispensationalism is more prevelent in the South. Dallas Seminary is the mecca of dispensational teaching. Now there is a new dispensationalism known as "progressive dispensationalism" which is totally whacked.

Like the Patriot Act, I understand why a government thinks it is a neccesary by-product of the times. I get why the card could be the easiest way to hold employers accountable and deter illegals from coming in...but like the PA, I think the cost to our privacy, and hence our freedoms, is too great.
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Any belief in privacy from the government we have is delusional. They have access to our information, and now even our health information, it was legislated away long ago.

Bank accounts are, by law, accessible in "emergencies" by the government, what you have is given over to them so that they can verify tax documents. From birth to death our records are kept by the government, and accessible to them too. We have long lived in an environment where only the government has any "privacy", which is sickening considering we are supposed to be a government "of the people".
 
Damocles said:
Any belief in privacy from the government we have is delusional. They have access to our information, and now even our health information, it was legislated away long ago.

Bank accounts are, by law, accessible in "emergencies" by the government, what you have is given over to them so that they can verify tax documents. From birth to death our records are kept by the government, and accessible to them too. We have long lived in an environment where only the government has any "privacy", which is sickening considering we are supposed to be a government "of the people".
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Right. So why fight this now? masonic logic.
 
AssHatZombie said:
Right. So why fight this now? masonic logic.
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What has that to do with my membership in a powerless fraternity? Seriously, it is stupid to keep shouting "Freemason" as real freedom erodes through direct action of people who are most likely not Freemasons.
 
Damocles said:
What has that to do with my membership in a powerless fraternity? Seriously, it is stupid to keep shouting "Freemason" as real freedom erodes through direct action of people who are most likely not Freemasons.
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Your masonic apologia is where you refine your argumentative logic abuse.
 
AssHatZombie said:
Your masonic apologia is where you refine your argumentative logic abuse.
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Blaming all erosion of freedom on the Freemasons is plain idiotic. Your belief that they are the center of all that is evil leads you into stupid statements like this one. This stuff doesn't belong in this thread, Freemasons don't care if you have a national ID card.
 
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