Drill Baby Drill

From the Boston Globe 6/18/08: "Bush Urges Congress to Lift Offshore Drilling Ban"

"....House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called Bush's proposals "another page from (an)... energy policy that was literally written by the oil industry -- give away more public resources."

Sen. Barack Obama, the Democrats' presumptive presidential nominee, rejected lifting the drilling moratorium that has been supported by a succession of presidents for nearly two decades.

"This is not something that's going to give consumers short-term relief and it is not a long-term solution to our problems with fossil fuels generally and oil in particular," said Obama. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, lumping Bush with McCain, accused them of staging a "cynical campaign ploy" that won't help lower energy prices.

"Despite what President Bush, John McCain and their friends in the oil industry claim, we cannot drill our way out of this problem," Reid said. "The math is simple: America has just three percent of the world's oil reserves, but Americans use a quarter of its oil."
 
What he know's is it's billions of dollars in Royalties, thousands of jobs paying over $100,000 per and it's good for the country. We are going to use the oil anyway, why not buy American?
 
We could have and should have been doing this 20 years ago....and we would have if it weren't for the liberal Dem. assholes that fought the idea.....now they allow it like its their idea, what hypocrites
 
We could have and should have been doing this 20 years ago....and we would have if it weren't for the liberal Dem. assholes that fought the idea.....now they allow it like its their idea, what hypocrites

They voted against drilling for oil offshore; before they voted for drilling offshore.
 
yup they played politics with it big time, now his ass is in a pinch on Jobs he's going to something he knows will work. Environmentalist can't get him re-elected.
 
We could have and should have been doing this 20 years ago....and we would have if it weren't for the liberal Dem. assholes that fought the idea.....now they allow it like its their idea, what hypocrites


Let's see 20 years ago would be 1990, right? And 1990 just so happens to be the year that the liberal Dem. asshole George Herbert Walker Bush signed an executive order banning offshore drilling.

Don't let the facts get in the way of your attacks, cochise.
 
Obama's practicale/reelection side is coming through.


From chapdog's article:

Obama said several times during his campaign that he supported expanded offshore drilling.

Except in rightwing birther lunatic world, Obama can in no way be deemed anything other than a pragmatic centrist. I wish he was Noam Chomsky, but it is what it is.


I don't have a problem with this crap. There's undoubtedly a little oil and gas to be found, not enough to make any substantial difference in our dependence on foreign oil. But that's fine. There's some jobs to be had, and some royalties to be made, and the areas that are being opened up aren't ecologically or environmentally sensitive. Some small and modest size companies might be stoked about it. The major multinationals I'm familiar with, for the most part thought Atlantic areas are crap prospects, not worthy of major time and investment. I doubt anyone I know at Shell or ExxonMobil are high fiving over this atlantic crap. The drilling ban is being maintained on areas where people are totally against it, or where it could be detrimental to sensitive habitat, which I'm down with.

All in all, a pretty centrist, business-friendly, and pragmatic move by our first Marxist-Socialist kenyan president.
 
It's absolutely centerist, jobs before wingnuts in either party.
Actually Cali has places offshore where oil is actually bubbling up where drilling would actually reduce pollution. Hopefully they will allow limited drilling at least in that situation.
 
It's absolutely centerist, jobs before wingnuts in either party.

Actually Cali has places offshore where oil is actually bubbling up where drilling would actually reduce pollution. Hopefully they will allow limited drilling at least in that situation.


Nah, the moratorium on pacific coast drilling is still in place, according to chapdogs article. But if my expensive ass wet suit ever gets f*cked up by some seeping oil, I just might join forces with the wingnuts to drill all that sh*t up!

That said, it always slays me when some wingnut from new hampshire complains about californians not allowing drilling. California has produced more oil, and continues to produce more oil than pretty much any other state outside of Texas, louisiana and alaska. How much oil has South Carolina and a dozen other wingnut states produced? Oh that's right - pretty much nada!
 
Nah, the moratorium on pacific coast drilling is still in place, according to chapdogs article. But if my expensive ass wet suit ever gets f*cked up by some seeping oil, I just might join forces with the wingnuts to drill all that sh*t up!

That said, it always slays me when some wingnut from new hampshire complains about californians not allowing drilling. California has produced more oil, and continues to produce more oil than pretty much any other state outside of Texas, louisiana and alaska. How much oil has South Carolina and a dozen other wingnut states produced? Oh that's right - pretty much nada!

1) Very true, wetsuits are indeed friggin expensive.

2) From what I have seen, most of the off shore rigs for CA would not even be visible from the beach given that they are miles off the coast. The same holds true for most off shore drilling. So who cares how much oil CA IS producing. What matters is how much COULD it produce. The ignorance of not drilling our own oil is truly amazing. WE control the environmental regs for oil drilling for oil drilled in what country? Oh yeah, that would be the USA.

Plus we have the jobs benefit toppy mentioned, plus the added economic benefit of keeping the money here in the US rather than giving it to a foreign government. Plus increase in supply will help to alleviate worldwide increase in demand. Plus, we would have the ability to use the royalties to fund more alt/clean energy research.
 
The impact on the environment for measures like offshore drilling is unbelievably negligible; it's a drop in a huge bucket compared to other ways we are hurting the planet.

These are symbolic battles for the environmental movement, and ultimately, they are generally self-defeating.
 
Just think of the jobs benefits that would take place in the US if the oil industry was allowed, or even forced to do some expansion here. I know from living in OK that oil industry expansion here is a good thing for the economy.
 
1) Very true, wetsuits are indeed friggin expensive.

2) From what I have seen, most of the off shore rigs for CA would not even be visible from the beach given that they are miles off the coast. The same holds true for most off shore drilling. So who cares how much oil CA IS producing. What matters is how much COULD it produce. The ignorance of not drilling our own oil is truly amazing. WE control the environmental regs for oil drilling for oil drilled in what country? Oh yeah, that would be the USA.

Plus we have the jobs benefit toppy mentioned, plus the added economic benefit of keeping the money here in the US rather than giving it to a foreign government. Plus increase in supply will help to alleviate worldwide increase in demand. Plus, we would have the ability to use the royalties to fund more alt/clean energy research.


The fact that a rig might be fifty miles off shore only pertains to oil spills from the rig. The oil has to be moved from the rig to onshore, usually by pipeline. Pipelines are known to rupture or spill.

Do I think the risk of a catastrophic oil spill is high? Nope, I think the risk is pretty low. That said, most people around here consider our coastline and natural beauty to be an enormous economic asset, one that is sustainable over the long term. A transient profit, from a few years of oil is not a risk most people around here consider worth taking.

Now, anyone who want to drill the sh*t out of butt ugly Kern County, I say go for it.
 
Glad its not off my coast.. All I will have is that ugly ass wind farm to look at. Besides who gives a shit about Virginia beach, myrtle beach, and the outer-banks. Much more imperative to protect the Alaskan tundra.
 
From chapdog's article:



Except in rightwing birther lunatic world, Obama can in no way be deemed anything other than a pragmatic centrist. I wish he was Noam Chomsky, but it is what it is.


I don't have a problem with this crap. There's undoubtedly a little oil and gas to be found, not enough to make any substantial difference in our dependence on foreign oil. But that's fine. There's some jobs to be had, and some royalties to be made, and the areas that are being opened up aren't ecologically or environmentally sensitive. Some small and modest size companies might be stoked about it. The major multinationals I'm familiar with, for the most part thought Atlantic areas are crap prospects, not worthy of major time and investment. I doubt anyone I know at Shell or ExxonMobil are high fiving over this atlantic crap. The drilling ban is being maintained on areas where people are totally against it, or where it could be detrimental to sensitive habitat, which I'm down with.

All in all, a pretty centrist, business-friendly, and pragmatic move by our first Marxist-Socialist kenyan president.

That's interesting cypress because I think you DO have a problem with it, in fact here you are in 2008 saying so:
"There's not enough oil offshore florida or california to make a hill of beans of difference in either price, or global production.

The oil companies are already sitting on hundreds of thousands of acres and leases they haven't drilled yet. Why aren't they drilling those?

Its a distraction Cawacko. California and Florida have vested interests in protecting their sensitive areas because the economy is based on tourism in those areas. Rather than stressing out about a relatively small amount of oil that might possible be off the coast of central california and florida, we should be doing more in the way of conservation and alternatives. "
http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?t=12036&page=2&highlight=offshore


The difference of course is that there is a different president in power - but thanks for proving your partisan hacknesss beyond a shadow of a doubt!
Now bownage to the ownage.
 
While this is good, the real reason Obama is doing this I think is that he wants to do a little give and take to get his climate bill passed.
Throw them a bone and look like someone who is moderate when you pass something that will harm the oil industry and regular Americans far more financially.
 
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