Tea Party members - This is NOT the way to win an argument

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Damocles said:
:rolleyes:

Immediately turn the camera to people nearby, ask them what they think, put it on youtube.

Quit being deliberately obtuse, it's flat stupid to defend these people. First it actually supports the idea that they were even part of the movement to begin with, second it lends credibility towards the detractors. Quit helping them, it doesn't make it better to remain silent.

If we can show that the media cuts off reaction (doesn't even attempt to get the story because they believe that they have "damning" imagery) we can create a higher credibility than those reporting the idiocy as the norm.
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Im not defending them. Im just not making distancing from them priority number one. You're letting the media dictate your focus. That's never wise.
 
AssHatZombie said:
no. You are. you misunderstood. Again.:palm:
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You are, and have been from the beginning. You detract from the movement, but then I don't believe you have ever been part of it to begin with so it really doesn't matter. And no I fully understood, I simply pointed out that you were wrong. Again.
 
Winterborn...

I'll ask again because the question will be lost in the stupidity of AssHat.

Do you have any evidence that these people were TEA Party participants?
 
Damocles said:
You are, and have been from the beginning. You detract from the movement, but then I don't believe you have ever been part of it to begin with so it really doesn't matter. And no, I simply pointed out that you were wrong. Again.
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You're the one who believes in wasting time trying to correct a media that will just move onto yet another distortion. It's better to stay on message instead of wasting time tilting at windmills. That's valuable time wasted refuting nonsense which could be spent on message.
 
AssHatZombie said:
You're the one who believes in wasting time trying to correct a media that will just move onto yet another distortion. It's better to stay on message instead of wasting time tilting at windmills. That's valuable time wasted refuting nonsense which could be spent on message.
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It takes almost no time to put a few videos onto a website, you are weak and afraid and willing to allow the message to be lost to stupidity because you are lazy.

One can do both without making much more of an effort.
 
Damocles said:
It takes almost no time to put a few videos onto a website, you are weak and afraid and willing to allow the message to be lost to stupidity because you are lazy.

One can do both without making much more of an effort.
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You are wasteful and ineffective. Your stratagem serve to dissuade people from actual effectiveness.
 
Damocles said:
Winterborn...

I'll ask again because the question will be lost in the stupidity of AssHat.

Do you have any evidence that these people were TEA Party participants?
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Do you want a membership card or a sign-up sheet and photo identification and testimony from their grandmother's along with a videotape showing the people shouting or something?
 
AssHatZombie said:
You are wasteful and ineffective. Your stratagem serve to dissuade people from actual effectiveness.
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Rubbish, it is the exact method that the right was able to use to prove the complicity of the MSM. To continue effective methods in your favor is a good idea. Rejecting that and allowing the message to be hijacked by the MSM and stupidity is simply evidence of your fear. Your willingness to side with bigots is just another sign of the same. I'm glad most people in the TEA Party movement aren't as stupid as you are about this.

I can almost see your hands waving as you whine, "Nooo... You shouldn't say anything about them! Then people might not come to protests and they'll be 'silenced'!" Out comes the "tissue" and you start dabbing those eyes...

"Leave them alone!" You cry...
 
Damocles said:
Anyway, now that we all have gone rounds on this...

Winterborn, what exactly made you say that these people were part of the TEA Party movement at all? This assumes that all protesters of this legislation were TEA Party participants and we all know that isn't the reality.
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Probably from the article itself:

Tea party protesters use racial epithet against Georgia's John Lewis

...Thousands of demonstrators gathered outside the Capitol on Saturday as the House Democratic leadership worked to gather enough votes to enact a health care overhaul proposal that has become the centerpiece of President Barack Obama's domestic agenda. Most were affiliated with so-called tea party organizations that originally sprang up during last summer's protests of the health care proposals...

Or this article:

During a protest over the weekend, organised by the conservative Tea Party movement, crowds attacked Democratic members of Congress present on the scene with racist slurs and abuses over sexual orientation, revealing an ugly side of the political polarisation in the United States.

http://beta.thehindu.com/news/international/article261232.ece

Maybe this one:

From NBC's Luke Russert
The Tea Party protests got ugly today.

African-American Congressman John Lewis (D-GA), a protege of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., who helped organize the March on Washington, went to the House floor today to tell Majority Whip Jim Clyburn (D-SC) that a Tea Party protester called him a "n-----."

Another Democratic source confirms to NBC News that openly gay Congressman Barney Frank (D-MA) was called a "f--" by somebody in the Tea Party crowd.

Rep. Emanaul Cleaver (D-MO), another African-American member, was apparently spit on by a Tea Party protester.


watch
 
NigelTufnel said:
Do you want a membership card or a sign-up sheet and photo identification and testimony from their grandmother's along with a videotape showing the people shouting or something?
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Translation: "I have no evidence of that."

Is that the only evidence you can think of? It's what you asked for when we showed outrageous action from protesters of war. I gave you a "fair enough." You? You just post disignenuous rubbish.
 
christiefan915 said:
Probably from the article itself:

Tea party protesters use racial epithet against Georgia's John Lewis

...Thousands of demonstrators gathered outside the Capitol on Saturday as the House Democratic leadership worked to gather enough votes to enact a health care overhaul proposal that has become the centerpiece of President Barack Obama's domestic agenda. Most were affiliated with so-called tea party organizations that originally sprang up during last summer's protests of the health care proposals...

Or this article:

During a protest over the weekend, organised by the conservative Tea Party movement, crowds attacked Democratic members of Congress present on the scene with racist slurs and abuses over sexual orientation, revealing an ugly side of the political polarisation in the United States.

http://beta.thehindu.com/news/international/article261232.ece

Maybe this one:

From NBC's Luke Russert
The Tea Party protests got ugly today.

African-American Congressman John Lewis (D-GA), a protege of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., who helped organize the March on Washington, went to the House floor today to tell Majority Whip Jim Clyburn (D-SC) that a Tea Party protester called him a "n-----."

Another Democratic source confirms to NBC News that openly gay Congressman Barney Frank (D-MA) was called a "f--" by somebody in the Tea Party crowd.

Rep. Emanaul Cleaver (D-MO), another African-American member, was apparently spit on by a Tea Party protester.

YouTube- Tea Party Gets Ugly: Racism And Spitting, Congressman Ryan Scolds Tea Party

watch
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Again, what evidence do they have that they were TEA Party protesters? Just saying that they are something doesn't make it so.
 
Damocles said:
Rubbish, it is the exact method that the right was able to use to prove the complicity of the MSM. To continue effective methods in your favor is a good idea. Rejecting that and allowing the message to be hijacked by the MSM and stupidity is simply evidence of your fear. Your willingness to side with bigots is just another sign of the same. I'm glad most people in the TEA Party movement aren't as stupid as you are about this.

I can almost see your hands waving as you whine, "Nooo... You shouldn't say anything about them! Then people might not come to protests and they'll be 'silenced'!" Out comes the "tissue" and you start dabbing those eyes...

"Leave them alone!" You cry...
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Again, it's not SIDING WITH anyone to avoid wasting time pleasing the media with belabored apologetics and hand-wringing. You're free to feel differently, and to waste your time accordingly.
 
AssHatZombie said:
Again, it's not SIDING WITH anyone to avoid wasting time pleasing the media with belabored apologetics and hand-wringing. You're free to feel differently, and to waste your time accordingly.
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It is to actively defending them when you try to shut up people who reject them.
 
christiefan915 said:
What evidence do you want, so I know what else to look for.
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I don't know. What evidence is there other than somebody saying something in a story?

I know they were protesting, but so were other groups (including the KKK, my bet is that these were that group and not TEA Party protesters).

What evidence is there that these people should be counted TEA Party protesters?
 
AssHatZombie said:
Im not trying to shut you up. I just hate to see you fall into their trap of getting you off message.
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I'm not "off message" I simply give solid advice based on successful campaigns of the past on what to do when this stuff comes up. One can both point out that these people are rejected and "stay on message", it is a fallacy to pretend that doing both is impossible.

You, however, have spent three pages trying to get me to shut up.
 
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