Tea Party members - This is NOT the way to win an argument

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More justification. It's ok to spit on people and call them nigger and if you don't like it and try to do or say something about it we will act like a gang and stomp you. You righties can't even fight for yourself one on one. You have to become gangs. You and Yurt have said nothing about the behavior. I have to think that as right leaning people the two of you are still fairly reasonable. I have even told you so before. But now BOTH of you don't try to distance yourself from thugs and racists, instead you embrace them, say that congressmen should have thicker skin and accept being spit on. I almost hope your side does beat someone badly, I hope that they kill some old person who supports this. This movement needs to die so that smarter, more rational people take over. The Tea Party movement is at the very least passively allowing this behavior in its name. That is the same as being in support of it.
That's why I left the Republican party Socer. At some point and time they decided to go after the alienated lunatic fringe only to have them, essentially, take over the party.

If persons like McCain, Voinavich, Chaffe were the voice of the Republican party then maybe the public perception of the Republicans as being a group of illiterate, alienated, white rednecks.
 
"Demonstrators outside the U.S. Capitol , angry over the proposed health care bill, shouted "nigger" Saturday at U.S. Rep. John Lewis , a Georgia congressman and civil rights icon who was nearly beaten to death during an Alabama march in the 1960s."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20100320/pl_mcclatchy/3457015


Come on folks, yelling "nigger" at a US Congressman and a man who worked so hard for the Civil Rights movement and was almost beaten to death in Alabama.

I understand the emotion, and agree with many of the stated goals of the Tea Party. But if they don't come down hard against this sort of redneck ignorance, they are going to lose big.

And yelling "faggot" at Barny Frank? Pretty low, in my opinion....

First they have Roy Moore as a featured speaker and now they shout "nigger" at a sitting congressman?

Is this what is being claimed is representing the people of the United States?

Color me totally not shocked.

Up until now, any lefty was pretty much laughed off who pointed out that the teabaggers are virtually 100% white, are peppered with white extremists, and festoon themselves with violent imagery like guns, and allusions to secession.

Sorry teabaggers, people like Taichi, Desh and others called this out a long time ago. I don’t think the majority of teabaggers are neoconfederate racists. But they are enablers of the latent racism and extremism that is encouraged within their tea bag movement. If one either encourage this shit, or stand by in silence while your fellow teabaggers are yelling nigger and faggot at fellow Americans, you’re pretty much as guilty as they are. Here’s a tip: The tea bag party has already, in large measure, founded itself and built itself on the backs of extremism; they aren’t going to purge themselves, in any substantive way, of extremists. Clucking of tongues, and sad shaking of heads isn't going to fundementally change the Tea Bag Party.

The one caveat I’ll add is that I don’t place all the blame on the Dixie’s and Webbways for driving the tea bag movement over the cliff in a frenzy of racism, gun worship, threats of secession, and rightwing extremism.

The elites in the rightwing media have gleefully been pouring fuel on this fire. The non-stop chants about “Marxism-socialism”, about fake Hawaiian birth certificates, about Obama being a fifth column secret Muslim, etc…….all that shit is intended to inflame and to subtly tie Obama to subconcious imagery related black radicalism.

Obama is more conservative or centrist than Dennis Kucinich, Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, or Howard Dean. These white lefties would never be subject to this level of rightwing buffoonery; i.e., the guns, the threats of secession, the racially-charged signs. Clearly, as many of us have pointed out for the last year, it’s because, the media and blog conservatives – the ones who are smart enough to manipulate the tea baggers- have made a concerted effort to fear monger the under educated teabaggers into the idiotic perception that they are somehow making their last stand; their Dunkirk in the face of a wave of socialism, Marxism, and black radicalism. As such, the rightwing elites are pretty much as much to blame as the Dixie-types in the Tea Bag Party.
 
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This place would be boring as shit without the racist white trash teabaggers. We need a top ten you know your a teabagger if:
Like Dixie your teenage cousin is your wife and likes the pitbull too
 
damo and winterborn consider themselves gatekeepers of patriotism.

Right now the tea party movement is full of 'conspiray theorists' aka people telling the truth.

establishment wonks like these two are the thought police.
Look. Telling the truth is excellent, making it so nobody can hear you because all they hear are the racial slurs... not so good.
 
Look. Telling the truth is excellent, making it so nobody can hear you because all they hear are the racial slurs... not so good.
That is so true. Problem for any rally, how to get rid of the nutters. The video shows that it was 1 or 2, yet they 'illustrate' the movement out of thousands.
 
Look. Telling the truth is excellent, making it so nobody can hear you because all they hear are the racial slurs... not so good.

What do you propose "be done" to them. The media can always find someone to associate with a movement to smear it. WHere does the "silencing" stop?
 
More justification. It's ok to spit on people and call them nigger and if you don't like it and try to do or say something about it we will act like a gang and stomp you. You righties can't even fight for yourself one on one. You have to become gangs. You and Yurt have said nothing about the behavior. I have to think that as right leaning people the two of you are still fairly reasonable. I have even told you so before. But now BOTH of you don't try to distance yourself from thugs and racists, instead you embrace them, say that congressmen should have thicker skin and accept being spit on. I almost hope your side does beat someone badly, I hope that they kill some old person who supports this. This movement needs to die so that smarter, more rational people take over. The Tea Party movement is at the very least passively allowing this behavior in its name. That is the same as being in support of it.

if you were looking for condemnation from me, sorry I didn't give it. I hadn't even paid attention to the article or OP, I was just busy putting topspin in his place.

Now, as to the OP, hell yeah they were wrong and had I been there, I'd have told them to shut the fuck up and leave the area.
 
What do you propose "be done" to them. The media can always find someone to associate with a movement to smear it. WHere does the "silencing" stop?
So you propose that they should be a significant voice in the TEA Party movement and that the TEA Party is so desperate for members they need to provide cover for them? Like pedophiles hiding in the Priesthood they will become the story and will define the movement if you continue to provide them cover.
 
So you propose that they should be a significant voice in the TEA Party movement and provide cover for them.

Continue to provide cover for them and they will become more than just an odd one or two stories.

My position is that the media will always find unfortunate film clips to smear an entire movement, and that we shouldn't overly worry about this truth about the media.

So what do you propose be done to them? Should they be silenced? Rounded up for the fema trains?
 
My position is that the media will always find unfortunate film clips to smear an entire movement, and that we shouldn't overly worry about this truth about the media.

So what do you propose be done to them? Should they be silenced? Rounded up for the fema trains?
Right, the best option is to make sure that they continue to be rare, also make sure they have to take them out of context as the reaction of those around them would have to be "cut"...

The best defense against such claims is showing the context to find that they have cut your objection short. If there are no objections, then you are providing the cover that will make these the people who will define your movement, even if they are rare. Again, like the pedophile priest, if you provide the cover they will become the story.
 
Right, the best option is to make sure that they continue to be rare, also make sure they have to take them out of context as the reaction of those around them would have to be "cut"...

The best defense against such claims is showing the context to find that they have cut your objection short. If there are no objections, then you are providing the cover that will make these the people who will define your movement, even if they are rare. Again, like the pedophile priest, if you provide the cover they will become the story.

How do you make them to continue to be rare? How do you "make sure they have to take them out of context"?

People have rights to free speech. Do tea party members have to beat down anyone who uses the n-word to be credible?

Your obsession with the internal witch hunt is noted. You're a sloppy operative.
 
you'd have gotten your ass stomped by 15 people within an inch of your life, you moron. you thin you can stand up to us? you're retarded.

Us? Do you consider yourself one of those who would spit on a congressman? Or perhaps call one a nigger?
 
How do you make them to continue to be rare? How do you "make sure they have to take them out of context"?

People have rights to free speech. Do tea party members have to beat down anyone who uses the n-word to be credible?

Your obsession with the internal witch hunt is noted. You're a sloppy operative.
You do it by reacting to them negatively among the group so that, again, (I made this clear before by saying that the reaction must be taken out of context in order to "demonize" the movement and thus giving you defense) they have to cut the reaction the group has to the rare instance of racist rhetoric.

If you have full footage that you can show with the negative reaction the press then becomes itself demonized for attempting to limit information. It again becomes the fault of the MSM rather than cover for blatant racism in the movement.

If we do as you want and just let these people have their say and react in no way negatively towards their message, then the TEA Party is simply providing cover for blatant racism, these people become the definition rather than the rare occurrence.

How exactly did those around these racists react to them?
 
whoa there...

damo's post did imply that

tea party members can decide what they want. sheer numbers and taking everyone? what are you talking about?

the conservative leadership needs to distance themselves? so do you say that when ever some left wing crackpot says somethign.....that the left needs to distance themselves? do you really think the conservative leadership supports this? really........

Yes I do say that when a member of some Dems group shouts or does something out of line. I have ridiculed the liberals numerous times for their "everyone is invited" rhetoric when it includes nutcases.


What I am talking about is responsible leadership, even from a grassroots group. When people (it was reportedly a chant from numerous members) start shouting shit like this, the Tea Party leadership needs to step up and condemn it harshly. They need to speak out and let their members know that this is NOT what the movement stands for, and that they will not tolerate such behavior.

I am not saying we remove anyone's right to free speech. But the organization that they were a part of during this protest can either condemn it or be seen to condone it. There is not much middle ground.
 
damo and winterborn consider themselves gatekeepers of patriotism.

Right now the tea party movement is full of 'conspiray theorists' aka people telling the truth.

establishment wonks like these two are the thought police.

You are so full of shit your eyes are brown.

I am not saying anything except that this sort of behavior should not be tolerated by the Tea Party members.

Do you condone them yelling "nigger" at the congressman? Do you think that is a good way to get your message across and appeal to the american people (as they need to do to successfully bring about change?)
 
That is so true. Problem for any rally, how to get rid of the nutters. The video shows that it was 1 or 2, yet they 'illustrate' the movement out of thousands.

The only thing the Tea Party leadership can do is to condemn this behavior vehemently. Let these redneck thugs know that their views do not match those of the movement.

Those good ol' boys will go home once they realize its a political movement and not a white supremacist party.
 
How do you make them to continue to be rare? How do you "make sure they have to take them out of context"?

People have rights to free speech. Do tea party members have to beat down anyone who uses the n-word to be credible?

Your obsession with the internal witch hunt is noted. You're a sloppy operative.

No, the only wa to remedy this is for the leadership to speak out against it. They need to condemn it the strongest way. They need to speak out publically against this sort of behavior and spread the word within their membership that this is NOT the goal of the movement.
 
All the teabagger picture again looked Lilly white. Failed GED types like sty wanted to fix blame elsewhere for their lazyness.
 
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