Segregation now, segregation forever!

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Jarhead, you are running around starting strawman fires and then putting them out! I don't know where to start! All you can do is continue to prove my point, the ONLY voices of resistance to the policies of segregation and discrimination, was politically powerless and obscure. Examples like W.E.B. DuBois, Fredrick Douglass, or even Joseph Rainey, are not insignificant in the struggle for civil rights, but to diminish their monumental courage and fortitude, by claiming this was a popular sentiment of 1875 America, is insulting to me and insulting to the Civil Rights Movement, in my opinion. Yes, through the years, there WERE courageous voices speaking out against the injustices of segregation! They were largely silenced by prevailing and overwhelming public opinion, and heartbreaking rulings from the highest court in the land! To somehow warp your perspective to pretend this did not happen and was not the case, is beyond my capacity to comment on! It shows a complete ignorance of history AND context AND logic AND reason! It prompts me to ask, what IS your reasoning here? What ARE you trying to claim? Because, so far, all you've done is nitpicked around things I've said, as if you've proven some more profound point in the process... what POINT have you established for us, please do tell?

 

[Jarod]

Jarhead, you are running around starting strawman fires and then putting them out! I don't know where to start! All you can do is continue to prove my point, the ONLY voices of resistance to the policies of segregation and discrimination, was politically powerless and obscure. Examples like W.E.B. DuBois, Fredrick Douglass, or even Joseph Rainey, are not insignificant in the struggle for civil rights, but to diminish their monumental courage and fortitude, by claiming this was a popular sentiment of 1875 America, is insulting to me and insulting to the Civil Rights Movement, in my opinion. Yes, through the years, there WERE courageous voices speaking out against the injustices of segregation! They were largely silenced by prevailing and overwhelming public opinion, and heartbreaking rulings from the highest court in the land! To somehow warp your perspective to pretend this did not happen and was not the case, is beyond my capacity to comment on! It shows a complete ignorance of history AND context AND logic AND reason! It prompts me to ask, what IS your reasoning here? What ARE you trying to claim? Because, so far, all you've done is nitpicked around things I've said, as if you've proven some more profound point in the process... what POINT have you established for us, please do tell?

AGAIN, I have never claimed this was the popular sentiment of 1875, never not once. You keep trying to change my claims to that, but its not what I have ever, not even once said!

You are either lying or just plain stupid, stupid, stupid...

Again, I have merely pointed out htat you are WRONG in the above highlighted statements.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

AGAIN, I have never claimed this was the popular sentiment of 1875, never not once. You keep trying to change my claims to that, but its not what I have ever, not even once said!

You are either lying or just plain stupid, stupid, stupid...

Again, I have merely pointed out htat you are WRONG in the above highlighted statements.

Well that was the whole point of your argument, what do you mean you never said it? I said, in my opening post, and consistently throughout the thread, that segregation was a popular sentiment, and desegregation wasn't! That by and large, most of America favored, condoned, endorsed, promoted, upheld, supported, and cheered FOR segregation! And most people did NOT support desegregation or integration of blacks or any other non-white race into the white society... NOT ALL PEOPLE did this, but "by and large" ...meaning, MOST! Now you are claiming you haven't ever tried to refute that? Only that you wanted to point out some 'technical' point of order to correct what you feel was a 'misstatement' by me?

You haven't presented the list of Federal initiatives following the CRA of 1875, outlining how specific measures were being taken to "integrate" blacks into white society. You haven't demonstrated how ANY prominent political figure was advocating such policies in ANY way, in America. You have a couple of relatively obscure examples, mostly taken way out of context, and that's about all. My point stands, my point has withstood the test of scrutiny, and you can't refute what I've said. So now you are relegated to nit picky parsing of things, to make it appear you have "won" something from me... what, I don't know!

 

[Minister of Truth]

1/3

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Why do you feel compelled to continue posting a division problem, 3d? One divided by three, has nothing to do with history of segregation in America, but congrats on the attempted DIVERSION... David Duke appreciates it very much!

 

[leaningright]

Ahhh....just ignore it Dixie. It makes most of us grin.

 

[Socrtease]

No Sochead, he was not "directly elected to Congress" at all. During this time, Congress was appointed by State Legislature, not elected by the people. Also, during this time, the legitimately elected principles of the state of South Carolina, had resigned in order to become part of the CSA, so they were replaced by the US Congress who held authority over Southern States until the end of Reconstruction. Those "replacements" were who selected this man to office, he was never elected by the people of South Carolina.

God you are a dumbass right now. Go to the link I provided from the US congress. Members of the HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES have NEVER been appointed by the State Legislators, this guy was NOT a senator. READ Dixie or it make you look stupid.

 

[Minister of Truth]

Why do you feel compelled to continue posting a division problem, 3d? One divided by three, has nothing to do with history of segregation in America, but congrats on the attempted DIVERSION... David Duke appreciates it very much!

Because it calls everything else you post on this site into question.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Because it calls everything else you post on this site into question.

What does? The fact that I am right and you are wrong about one not dividing equally into three? Sorry, but math is not fallible that way, it either does or doesn't, there is no gray area. I still challenge any of your half-wits to give me the three precise values which equal an even ONE, and you've yet to be able to do that... all you can post is your simple division problem, which is not a value, rather a "representative" value... means we "assigned" a value to it in order to "represent" something that can't otherwise be expressed, like the "equal" parts of a third! So you continue to post "1/3" in every thread, and pretend it illustrates my stupidity! That's a really mature and grown-up way to act, and it shows everyone here what a myopic and mentally vapid retard you are. 5000 posts or more, have been devoted to the Great 1/3 Debate, and you are dedicated to doing your part to continue the good fight! To continue refuting base 10 math! We must all stand together to triumph over the ignorance regarding equal thirds! MORON!

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

God you are a dumbass right now. Go to the link I provided from the US congress. Members of the HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES have NEVER been appointed by the State Legislators, this guy was NOT a senator. READ Dixie or it make you look stupid.

Yes, of course you are right Sochead... I don't know what I was thinking... It is abundantly clear to me that the good and righteous people of South Carolina, must have felt so guilty about condoning slavery for all those years, and starting the worst war in our nation's history, that they overcame their inherent racist feelings and cast their vote for a black man to represent them in Congress and fight for desegregation in 1875! I think it's a remarkable testament to how much the minds of people were changed in just a few short years... from advocating that black men were property, to electing them as their representative in Congress... it's truly an amazing turnaround, and we should all hold the great southern state of South Carolina up as an example of racial tolerance and champions of the first Civil Rights battle!

You are so right... I don't know what was making me look so stupid there!

 

[Taichiliberal]

And of the men from "slave-holding families" ...How many of them actually OWNED slaves themselves? Because THAT is what I stated, rather than what you are now trying to CLAIM I stated. I get tired of your dishonesty, Chicklet. The words I posted are right there in black and white, why do you persist in trying to change them?

David Duke would have never made the arguments I have made here, although he would be proud of you for diverting the attention from real racists to focus on me, since I have a confederate flag in my avatar... He would probably bestow some Grand Wizard title upon you for the effort you've made here, to distract and divert people's attention from true racist practices in America.

See folks, according to Dixie, you come from a family of slave owners, then go off to war to fight for the Confederacy, but YOU ARE NOT SUPPORTING SLAVERY. So to use Dixie's own logic, since NONE of these men OFFICIALLY stated that they were AGAINST the slavery that benefitted their child rearing and young adult years, NO ONE CAN SAY THAT THEY WERE AGAINST SLAVERY. The information I presented extrapolates from census of the times, documentation of who and how many owned slaves. Correlated that with enlistments, losses, and one would be hard pressed to say that NO SLAVE OWNER fought for the Confederacy.

Again, Dixie states that he knows for certain that no slave owner fought for the Confederacy. Pity his vast knowledge overlooked Jefferson Davis, James Z. George, notable confederate military leaders in the field, and slave owners.
That's just for starters. But it's a stark indicator of the dishonesty of Dixie's argument, and his warped, delusion that his intense need to defend the Confederacy from it's congenital racism.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

See folks, according to Dixie, you come from a family of slave owners, then go off to war to fight for the Confederacy, but YOU ARE NOT SUPPORTING SLAVERY. So to use Dixie's own logic, since NONE of these men OFFICIALLY stated that they were AGAINST the slavery that benefitted their child rearing and young adult years, NO ONE CAN SAY THAT THEY WERE AGAINST SLAVERY. The information I presented extrapolates from census of the times, documentation of who and how many owned slaves. Correlated that with enlistments, losses, and one would be hard pressed to say that NO SLAVE OWNER fought for the Confederacy.

Again, Dixie states that he knows for certain that no slave owner fought for the Confederacy. Pity his vast knowledge overlooked Jefferson Davis, James Z. George, notable confederate military leaders in the field, and slave owners.
That's just for starters. But it's a stark indicator of the dishonesty of Dixie's argument, and his warped, delusion that his intense need to defend the Confederacy from it's congenital racism.

Again... I didn't say that no Confederate owned slaves, that is a ridiculous statement you wish to attribute to me because you are either too fucking ignorant to read and comprehend the rather simple statement I posted, or you are being deliberately dishonest. Take your pick!

All of this other conjecture you're coming up with, is based on your ignorant perception of what I DIDN'T SAY! Now Chicklet, as much as I would love to go back and change my points and make my argument something ridiculous, so you can feel like you "won" an argument here, I am not going to do that. We have to go by the chronology of the posts, you see? We have to argue what has actually been said, and what the intent of the point was, not what we wish it could have been, or would like for it to be.

I understand you are an intolerant bigot who wishes I were the stereotypical redneck racist Southerner, so you could strut around acting like you are moral and courageous for putting me in my place. I realize that you want that so badly to be the case, you will resort to outright lies and distortions of what I say, in order to try and cajole the conversation into what you wish in your racist arrogance it could be. The problem is, I am just no cooperating with you on that, and it's frustrating, I know! Now, you can keep banging your head against a brick wall, wishing and hoping for me to slip up and say something "racist" that you can have a field day with... maybe if you keep yapping at me, eventually I will do that, perhaps this is what you're thinking? I don't think your strategy will work, basically because I am not racist and never have been. I am sorry I disappointed your bigoted prejudiced stereotype of me, I wish I could do something about that, but I guess you're going to just have to live with your closed-minded bigotry.

 

[Minister of Truth]

What does? The fact that I am right and you are wrong about one not dividing equally into three? Sorry, but math is not fallible that way, it either does or doesn't, there is no gray area. I still challenge any of your half-wits to give me the three precise values which equal an even ONE, and you've yet to be able to do that... all you can post is your simple division problem, which is not a value, rather a "representative" value... means we "assigned" a value to it in order to "represent" something that can't otherwise be expressed, like the "equal" parts of a third! So you continue to post "1/3" in every thread, and pretend it illustrates my stupidity! That's a really mature and grown-up way to act, and it shows everyone here what a myopic and mentally vapid retard you are. 5000 posts or more, have been devoted to the Great 1/3 Debate, and you are dedicated to doing your part to continue the good fight! To continue refuting base 10 math! We must all stand together to triumph over the ignorance regarding equal thirds! MORON!

BUMP

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

3D... only Waterhead is impressed with your ability to make text scroll.

 

[Jarod]

Well that was the whole point of your argument, what do you mean you never said it? I said, in my opening post, and consistently throughout the thread, that segregation was a popular sentiment, and desegregation wasn't! That by and large, most of America favored, condoned, endorsed, promoted, upheld, supported, and cheered FOR segregation! And most people did NOT support desegregation or integration of blacks or any other non-white race into the white society... NOT ALL PEOPLE did this, but "by and large" ...meaning, MOST! Now you are claiming you haven't ever tried to refute that? Only that you wanted to point out some 'technical' point of order to correct what you feel was a 'misstatement' by me?

You haven't presented the list of Federal initiatives following the CRA of 1875, outlining how specific measures were being taken to "integrate" blacks into white society. You haven't demonstrated how ANY prominent political figure was advocating such policies in ANY way, in America. You have a couple of relatively obscure examples, mostly taken way out of context, and that's about all. My point stands, my point has withstood the test of scrutiny, and you can't refute what I've said. So now you are relegated to nit picky parsing of things, to make it appear you have "won" something from me... what, I don't know!

Please show me where I made the argument that the majority of people were for integration... Never did!

You are now desperatly trying to change what you argued, and what I countered with...

Its all in the record...

You made the above absolute claims and I pointed out that there was a movement (not a majority) of powerfull and elected people who tried to correct the evils segregation!

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Please show me where I made the argument that the majority of people were for integration... Never did!

You are not desperatly trying to change what you argued, and what I countered with...

Its all in the record...

You made the above absolute claims and I pointed out that there was a movement (not a majority) of powerfull and elected people who tried to correct the evils segregation!

No, I am sorry hard head, there was NOT a movement of powerful elected people doing any sort of thing in 1875. You might THINK that is the case, and you can certainly ARGUE that was the case, you can even use a relatively modern court interpretation of the Constitution to CLAIM that was the case! But that simply was NOT the case. There were a scant FEW Americans who opposed segregation, until much later in history.

During the famous Lincoln-Douglas debates, Lincoln's opponent was making political hay over the allegations Lincoln advocated racial equality ...Lincoln responded:

I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and black races. There is physical difference between the two which, in my judgment, will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect equality, and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that there must be a difference, I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position.

I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races; I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people.

I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.

Now does this sound like "The Great Emancipator" was in favor of integration? By any realistic stretch of the imagination, can you derive such a position from his statements? As president, he ordered the purchase of land in Haiti for the purpose of colonization! He wanted to ship the slaves away to distant lands, precisely because he didn't feel they could ever obtain an equal station in life to white people!

Lincoln COULD have said... I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal." But it would be another CENTURY before we heard those words!

No one of political prominence or power in 1875 America, favored equality for the races! That is not to say that SOME people weren't advocating racial equality, but it was a very small percentage. To put it into perspective, it would be the equivalent today, of people who believe animals should have equal rights to humans! We have all kinds of laws against abusing animals, and we are familiar with PETA, but we can not conclude that everyone who supports PETA or legislation to prevent animal abuse, has the mindset of "animal equality." It's a very rare and extreme viewpoint, and no one in prominent political power would ever make such a stand.

Abolitionists were the same way, just because they opposed human enslavement, did not mean they supported Civil Rights! Just because they wanted to end the abhorrent practice of slavery, doesn't automatically mean they were in favor of integration or racial equality! That seems to be a point you are stuck on in your head, that you just can't seem to grasp!

Where were all of these people who fundamentally believed whites and blacks were equal, in the years and decades following 1875? Why were hundreds of thousands of black people murdered by white mobs across the country? If there had been ANY public sympathy for the cause, this would have never happened! My point has never been the surreal and untenable point that NO ONE believed in racial equality! Certainly there have always been SOME people who did, and their courage in standing up for something that was very unpopular at the time, is undermined in your viewpoint that this was some kind of prevailing thought of the day, and only a few racist southerners prevented us from realizing racial equality in 1875! It just wasn't like that in America, and it didn't get like that until the late 1940s, early 50s, as I have maintained throughout this thread.

 

[Jarod]

No, I am sorry hard head, there was NOT a movement of powerful elected people doing any sort of thing in 1875. You might THINK that is the case, and you can certainly ARGUE that was the case, you can even use a relatively modern court interpretation of the Constitution to CLAIM that was the case! But that simply was NOT the case. There were a scant FEW Americans who opposed segregation, until much later in history.

During the famous Lincoln-Douglas debates, Lincoln's opponent was making political hay over the allegations Lincoln advocated racial equality ...Lincoln responded:

I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and black races. There is physical difference between the two which, in my judgment, will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect equality, and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that there must be a difference, I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position.

I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races; I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people.

I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.

Now does this sound like "The Great Emancipator" was in favor of integration? By any realistic stretch of the imagination, can you derive such a position from his statements? As president, he ordered the purchase of land in Haiti for the purpose of colonization! He wanted to ship the slaves away to distant lands, precisely because he didn't feel they could ever obtain an equal station in life to white people!

Lincoln COULD have said... I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal." But it would be another CENTURY before we heard those words!

No one of political prominence or power in 1875 America, favored equality for the races! That is not to say that SOME people weren't advocating racial equality, but it was a very small percentage. To put it into perspective, it would be the equivalent today, of people who believe animals should have equal rights to humans! We have all kinds of laws against abusing animals, and we are familiar with PETA, but we can not conclude that everyone who supports PETA or legislation to prevent animal abuse, has the mindset of "animal equality." It's a very rare and extreme viewpoint, and no one in prominent political power would ever make such a stand.

Abolitionists were the same way, just because they opposed human enslavement, did not mean they supported Civil Rights! Just because they wanted to end the abhorrent practice of slavery, doesn't automatically mean they were in favor of integration or racial equality! That seems to be a point you are stuck on in your head, that you just can't seem to grasp!

Where were all of these people who fundamentally believed whites and blacks were equal, in the years and decades following 1875? Why were hundreds of thousands of black people murdered by white mobs across the country? If there had been ANY public sympathy for the cause, this would have never happened! My point has never been the surreal and untenable point that NO ONE believed in racial equality! Certainly there have always been SOME people who did, and their courage in standing up for something that was very unpopular at the time, is undermined in your viewpoint that this was some kind of prevailing thought of the day, and only a few racist southerners prevented us from realizing racial equality in 1875! It just wasn't like that in America, and it didn't get like that until the late 1940s, early 50s, as I have maintained throughout this thread.

Where did I claim it was Lincoln who made those arguments?

I have already pointed out Popularly elected congressmen, a senator and MAJOR legislation that said illistrates that there was a movement. These actions were taken by what was known as the "Radical Republicans". They were soon voted out of office and all gains were lost... but they existed!

 

[Jarod]

KEY...

Red and black words = DIRECT QUOTES FROM DIXIE IN THIS THREAD... Red = particullary egrious misunderstanding of reality!
BLUE WORDS = My RESPONCES.....

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The truth, as ugly as it may be, is that every politician prior to 1965, is responsible for supporting segregationist policy, because they DID! Repeatedly! For a century, every president, every Congress, and every Judge they appointed, upheld and maintained a system of complete and total segregation in America!

WRONG!

No one in their right political mind, in 1948, would have been opposed to segregation!

Plent of people in their right political mind were!

Throughout history, there have not been people in political power, advocating change in our segregationist policy, prior to 1963! It doesn't exist, because black people were shut out of the political process, and it was not an issue, it was presumed and assumed you supported and condoned segregationist policy, because that was how things were in America. No one stood up and said it was bad! Everyone accepted it, and continued to condone it!

FALSE

there were people in 1864 who thought slaves were equal to whites! Unfortunately, NONE of them were political figures, or able to be political figures, because the overwhelming majority of an ALL WHITE electorate, fundamentally disagreed with them!

FALSE!

They didn't engage in political debate on the issue! They didn't campaign or advocate for the issue! They didn't put the issue in their national platforms! It may not signify support for segregationist policies, but it sure doesn't imply there was a fight against them. You can say that "plenty opposed" the status quot when it came to segregation, but it wasn't "plenty" or the law would have changed, politicians would have campaigned on the issue, people would have initiated change, had that been the case. Let's tell the truth, shall we? Aside from a few black activists and a few pinhead liberal elites, no one in America was advocating against segregation until the early 60s.

FALSE!

I have not denied there were activists speaking out against segregation, I made that abundantly clear 50 posts back, it's not what I have said. Our society as a whole, including ALL the political representatives we elected to office, held a view condoning segregation, or tacitly refused to take a firm stand on the issue. That is the truth, that is how things were in America. You can deny that, and claim it wasn't the case, but it most certainly was.

AGAIN FALSE!

The history of the struggle is, for nearly 100 years, there was no struggle, segregation was accepted and condoned, and affixed in our society by the politicians, congress, judges, and any other positions of authority, which were all controlled by white people!


With regard to political leaders, congressmen who could effectively change laws, presidents, judges, etc.... there were essentially NONE! From 1864 to 1964, the number of such leaders can be counted on less than one hand! For you to keep insisting this was not the case, is laughable and foolish.

FALSE!


No politician was out there "pushing for" desegregation and racial equality! It just wasn't happening in the real world! To a fault, every damn one of them were either promoting segregation, or tacitly accepting of it...a 'necessary evil', or whatever. None of them stood up to challenge it or speak against it... for 100 years! Well, almost 100, anyway....

FALSE!

We had NO Congressmen who were the least bit concerned with giving black people a completely desegregated society! NONE! If you can cite any example prior to WWII, I would love to see it! Truth is, it doesn't exist!

I GAVE YOU SEVERAL EXAMPLES!

Our society as a whole, including ALL the political representatives we elected to office, held a view condoning segregation, or tacitly refused to take a firm stand on the issue.


FALSE!

From the time of the Civil War until after WWII, the overwhelming majority of people in America, were supportive of the segregation policies. No one in political power, or seeking political power, was advocating desegregation. This went on for decades, Congress after Congress, Supreme Court after Supreme Court, President after President!

FALSE!

No one in political power or running for any high-level political office, supported, condoned, or advocated desegregation, prior to WWII. If you have ANY example, please post it!

I POSTED SEVERAL, AGAIN FALSE!

The challenge still stands... Show me any political leader who was openly advocating public desegregation prior to 1964! Just one example?

Joseph H. Rainey, for one!

You can read what you want to into my comments, you haven't given us any examples of public legislation to desegregate anything yet. No presidents or Congressional leaders advocating it, nothing... save for an instance of Truman desegregating the military in 1948, you have nothing. There is no verbal snafu, just as there is no record of Congress supporting desegregation for nearly a century. You can try to hide from that or live in denial of it if you like, I can't change the mind of a bigot, and I won't try.


CIVIL RIGHTS ACT of 1875, Joseph H. Rainey....just to get started!


YOUR VIEW OF POST CIVIL WAR AMERICA IS IGNORANT, WRONG AND SILLY! With as much misinformation you have, I understand better why your world view is so warped!

DO the BUMP!

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Where did I claim it was Lincoln who made those arguments?

I have already pointed out Popularly elected congressmen, a senator and MAJOR legislation that said illistrates that there was a movement. These actions were taken by what was known as the "Radical Republicans". They were soon voted out of office and all gains were lost... but they existed!

Lincoln is the most recognizable abolitionist in history, I think his words have merit in this discussion! Your modern-day interpretations of the legislation in question, did not exist in 1875! The argument you are making is tantamount to me saying Thomas Jefferson and John Adams "outlawed slavery" when they founded the nation... it's right there in black and white... we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equally! The argument you are presenting is equivalent to me claiming Jefferson and Adam's "intent" was racial integration and emancipation! It is an ABSURD viewpoint, rooted in abject ignorance of fact and refusal to accept reality or logic.

Your problem is, you have brainwashed yourself! You have concocted this fantasy in your mind, this notion that Great Liberals of the day were standing defiantly against the majority, demanding racial equality! That was NOT happening in 1875 America! You can misinterpret all the legislation you want, you can cite examples of Reconstruction-era political office holders all you like, it doesn't change the sentiment and tone of the overwhelming majority of America in 1875! You can harp on with your liberal fantasy, ignoring history, ignoring what actually took place across America in the decades to follow, applying 1954 interpretations to 1875 laws, as if some liberal enlightenment prevailed during that time... does that make you feel better about progressive liberalism or something? Because it is completely devoid of factual basis, as history so vividly shows.

 

[Jarod]

Lincoln is the most recognizable abolitionist in history, I think his words have merit in this discussion! Your modern-day interpretations of the legislation in question, did not exist in 1875! The argument you are making is tantamount to me saying Thomas Jefferson and John Adams "outlawed slavery" when they founded the nation... it's right there in black and white... we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equally! The argument you are presenting is equivalent to me claiming Jefferson and Adam's "intent" was racial integration and emancipation! It is an ABSURD viewpoint, rooted in abject ignorance of fact and refusal to accept reality or logic.

Your problem is, you have brainwashed yourself! You have concocted this fantasy in your mind, this notion that Great Liberals of the day were standing defiantly against the majority, demanding racial equality! That was NOT happening in 1875 America! You can misinterpret all the legislation you want, you can cite examples of Reconstruction-era political office holders all you like, it doesn't change the sentiment and tone of the overwhelming majority of America in 1875! You can harp on with your liberal fantasy, ignoring history, ignoring what actually took place across America in the decades to follow, applying 1954 interpretations to 1875 laws, as if some liberal enlightenment prevailed during that time... does that make you feel better about progressive liberalism or something? Because it is completely devoid of factual basis, as history so vividly shows.

My point, again, is that there were a few legislators fighting for racial equality. Especally the ELECTED Black congressmen of the day!