...Bush, Palin, Rush, and You're a Racist Teabagger!

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Essentially, this is what the Democrat message has boiled down to, when all is said and done and the chase is cut to. Bush is used to deflect any and all criticism of Democrats or Obama, for a lack of results. Whatever the issue, they revert to blaming it on Bush, and excuse themselves from any responsibility in fixing it, or ever claiming they could.

They see Sarah Palin as a potential political threat, so they constantly berate her and bombard the media with misrepresentation and distortions about her. Not only does this serve to damage her public image, it helps to distract from the lack of results from this administration and Democrat leadership. The Democrats enjoy making pariah's out of their opposition, they do it with Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, Huckabee, even the more libertarian/moderate O'Reilly and Bortz, are often targets of the Noise Machine. You see, we're not supposed to think about the substance of what any of these individuals may actually have to say, we're just supposed to think... oh, that nutcase? okay, whatever!

If they can't distract, divert, detract, or deflect... they will resort to the last arrow in the quiver... the personal attack. "Teabagger" is a vulgar and disgusting sexual reference, but they giggle as they smugly apply it to the Tea Party movement. MSNBC Reporters routinely use the word to describe those who attend Tea Party rallies. Anything they can do to be insulting and derogatory, because they have to make you uncomfortable to be a part of it. This is why they will go to the race card. It's not because they really believe people oppose Obama's policies because he is black, it's because they know that you don't want to be thought of as a racist.

These tactics seem to be predicated on the idea that most people would rather be liked and thought of as "cool" instead of standing up for principles important to them. It's interesting, I do think there is a contingent of the population who have this mindset, but generally I think of the "ME Generation" Liberals. The blaming Bush for everything was predictable, this is ultimately all they've ever had. What they still don't seem to get is, Bush was considerably popular, especially through his first term. Many of his 'departing fans' in the later years, were because of his abandonment of conservative principles, not because they bought into all the left wing propaganda.

If this strategy continues, and it appears that is the only one on the horizon for the Dems, it will inevitably go down as one of the biggest political failures in history.

 

[wanderingbear]

But Bush is to blame.

 

[Topspin]

please don't stop dixie the racist moron from his incistance on posting comedy like this.

 

[Jarod]

I belive if, and that is a big if, she tries, Palin can get the Republican nomination.

The insiders in the Republican party who know she cant win the general will work as hard as possable to get her not to run and if she insists to get her to loose.

I hope she is a true beliver and will run.

I guess we will find out, is she a true beliver, or is she out for money and popularity...

 

[apple0154]

These tactics seem to be predicated on the idea that most people would rather be liked and thought of as "cool" instead of standing up for principles important to them. It's interesting, I do think there is a contingent of the population who have this mindset, but generally I think of the "ME Generation" Liberals.

The "ME Generation" Liberals? Who is for and who is against universal medical? You've got the "Me generation" confused, son.

As for principals one Conservative principal is let's make sure we don't have to help those who don't have medical coverage. That's a great one to stand up for. Any more grand principals you'd like to share?

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Essentially, this is what the Democrat message has boiled down to, when all is said and done and the chase is cut to. Bush is used to deflect any and all criticism of Democrats or Obama, for a lack of results. Whatever the issue, they revert to blaming it on Bush, and excuse themselves from any responsibility in fixing it, or ever claiming they could.

They see Sarah Palin as a potential political threat, so they constantly berate her and bombard the media with misrepresentation and distortions about her. Not only does this serve to damage her public image, it helps to distract from the lack of results from this administration and Democrat leadership. The Democrats enjoy making pariah's out of their opposition, they do it with Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, Huckabee, even the more libertarian/moderate O'Reilly and Bortz, are often targets of the Noise Machine. You see, we're not supposed to think about the substance of what any of these individuals may actually have to say, we're just supposed to think... oh, that nutcase? okay, whatever!

If they can't distract, divert, detract, or deflect... they will resort to the last arrow in the quiver... the personal attack. "Teabagger" is a vulgar and disgusting sexual reference, but they giggle as they smugly apply it to the Tea Party movement. MSNBC Reporters routinely use the word to describe those who attend Tea Party rallies. Anything they can do to be insulting and derogatory, because they have to make you uncomfortable to be a part of it. This is why they will go to the race card. It's not because they really believe people oppose Obama's policies because he is black, it's because they know that you don't want to be thought of as a racist.

These tactics seem to be predicated on the idea that most people would rather be liked and thought of as "cool" instead of standing up for principles important to them. It's interesting, I do think there is a contingent of the population who have this mindset, but generally I think of the "ME Generation" Liberals. The blaming Bush for everything was predictable, this is ultimately all they've ever had. What they still don't seem to get is, Bush was considerably popular, especially through his first term. Many of his 'departing fans' in the later years, were because of his abandonment of conservative principles, not because they bought into all the left wing propaganda.

If this strategy continues, and it appears that is the only one on the horizon for the Dems, it will inevitably go down as one of the biggest political failures in history.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

The "ME Generation" Liberals? Who is for and who is against universal medical? You've got the "Me generation" confused, son.

As for principals one Conservative principal is let's make sure we don't have to help those who don't have medical coverage. That's a great one to stand up for. Any more grand principals you'd like to share?

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Let me ask you something, do you REALLY believe Republicans/Conservatives, and even some Democrats, who oppose the Health Care Reforms as outlined by this Congress, are doing so because they don't want to help people in need? I mean, is that REALLY what you think the opponents to this are thinking? We just want people to suffer because we are too greedy to help them, is that what you think?

The fact of the matter is this, YOUR SIDE is proposing this monstrosity of bureaucracy and mandates from the Federal Government, outright Socialism being applied to our health care system, at a cost that is essentially immeasurable because we have no way of knowing how much it will be abused or corrupted once established. We do have a history of Government-run health care, the Medicare/Medicaid system, the VA Hospital... and the results are dismal at best, neither provide better quality, better availability, or more efficiently to the consumer.

From the onset, the right has maintained they are willing to do whatever they can to help those who are falling through the cracks of the current system. This doesn't require us to dismantle the entire system and turn our health care over to the Government! We have ideas for actually making health care insurance more affordable and more available, reducing the cost of health care for every American, while ensuring we maintain the exemplary quality of health care we've all come to know in America.

I could just as easily argue it is the LEFT who seem hell bent on seeing people suffer! You want us to have hospitals like Canada and Europe, where patients routinely leave and come to America for major surgery, because of the waiting lists in their own country. You want to throw a consumer-driven market to the US Government, in the false hope that the US Government can run it more efficiently, despite the lack of evidence the Government has ever run anything to peak efficiency. And all the while, you have been brainwashed into believing you are doing something to help people while the other side is opposed to that. Pull your head out of your ass and understand, no one wants people to suffer, no one wants to be greedy and ignore the needs of their fellow man, that isn't why the other side opposes Socialized Medicine!

 

[apple0154]

Let me ask you something, do you REALLY believe Republicans/Conservatives, and even some Democrats, who oppose the Health Care Reforms as outlined by this Congress, are doing so because they don't want to help people in need? I mean, is that REALLY what you think the opponents to this are thinking? We just want people to suffer because we are too greedy to help them, is that what you think?

It's not what I think. It's what I know. That is exactly the reason.

The fact of the matter is this, YOUR SIDE is proposing this monstrosity of bureaucracy and mandates from the Federal Government, outright Socialism being applied to our health care system, at a cost that is essentially immeasurable because we have no way of knowing how much it will be abused or corrupted once established.

The reason some people don't know is because they refuse to do a minimum of research. Dozens of countries run a universal plan at 1/2 the cost per capita. That is a fact easily determined by a simple Google. There are a multitude of web sites with facts and figures all collaborating one another.

It isn't a mystery. Countries have been running universal medical for fifty years. Fifty years! And in all those countries there is not one politician campaigning on scrapping the system for a "pay or suffer" setup.

Are you not able to connect the dots? Dozens of countries containing people of different cultures and beliefs and economic circumstance all agree a universal plan is superior. None, not one single country, reverted to the old system and every country started with a "pay or suffer" system. Every one of them.

What are you having difficulty grasping?

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Let me ask you something, do you REALLY believe Republicans/Conservatives, and even some Democrats, who oppose the Health Care Reforms as outlined by this Congress, are doing so because they don't want to help people in need? I mean, is that REALLY what you think the opponents to this are thinking? We just want people to suffer because we are too greedy to help them, is that what you think?

The fact of the matter is this, YOUR SIDE is proposing this monstrosity of bureaucracy and mandates from the Federal Government, outright Socialism being applied to our health care system, at a cost that is essentially immeasurable because we have no way of knowing how much it will be abused or corrupted once established. We do have a history of Government-run health care, the Medicare/Medicaid system, the VA Hospital... and the results are dismal at best, neither provide better quality, better availability, or more efficiently to the consumer.

From the onset, the right has maintained they are willing to do whatever they can to help those who are falling through the cracks of the current system. This doesn't require us to dismantle the entire system and turn our health care over to the Government! We have ideas for actually making health care insurance more affordable and more available, reducing the cost of health care for every American, while ensuring we maintain the exemplary quality of health care we've all come to know in America.

I could just as easily argue it is the LEFT who seem hell bent on seeing people suffer! You want us to have hospitals like Canada and Europe, where patients routinely leave and come to America for major surgery, because of the waiting lists in their own country. You want to throw a consumer-driven market to the US Government, in the false hope that the US Government can run it more efficiently, despite the lack of evidence the Government has ever run anything to peak efficiency. And all the while, you have been brainwashed into believing you are doing something to help people while the other side is opposed to that. Pull your head out of your ass and understand, no one wants people to suffer, no one wants to be greedy and ignore the needs of their fellow man, that isn't why the other side opposes Socialized Medicine!

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

It's not what I think. It's what I know. That is exactly the reason.

Well, no it's not, and you are an idiot for believing that to be the case. What purpose does it serve Conservatives for people to suffer? We want people to thrive and do well so they can generate prosperity, buy things, pay taxes. It doesn't benefit us for people to be sick or file bankruptcy.

The reason some people don't know is because they refuse to do a minimum of research. Dozens of countries run a universal plan at 1/2 the cost per capita. That is a fact easily determined by a simple Google. There are a multitude of web sites with facts and figures all collaborating one another.

It isn't a mystery. Countries have been running universal medical for fifty years. Fifty years! And in all those countries there is not one politician campaigning on scrapping the system for a "pay or suffer" setup.

Are you not able to connect the dots? Dozens of countries containing people of different cultures and beliefs and economic circumstance all agree a universal plan is superior. None, not one single country, reverted to the old system and every country started with a "pay or suffer" system. Every one of them.

What are you having difficulty grasping?

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I'm having difficulty grasping that these example you keep throwing out are comparable to the United States in any way, shape, or form. First of all, most of these countries you are bragging about, are controlled by socialist regimes, the people have NO say in what kind of health care (if any) their government provides. You act like the rest of the world is just like the US, that people vote for Congress and President, and the will of the people is adhered to by the political leaders who are elected. In many instances, that is not the case, the people in these countries have little to no real political power. This is what makes the US such a great and exceptional form of government, we DO have representative government, the politicians DO listen to the people, and we DO have a say in what our government does and doesn't do through our elected representatives.

But that being said, let's say the people in these countries DO get the same voice as US citizens get here, and they CAN effect change in what their government does... What are they going to "revert back" to? Please tell me this, I am dying to know! You've destroyed the private sector as it pertains to health care, the commercial enterprises have folded, gone under, the investors have lost all their money... it's gone! How are you supposed to "go back" and "undo" what has been done? Who is going to (in their right mind) invest in a commercial enterprise pertaining to health care again? So you can see, even IF your assertions and assumptions were correct about these countries, there is nothing to "revert back" to! It no longer exists! What part of THAT are you having difficulty grasping?

When you objectively look at the socialized programs of other socialist countries, you see that services are drastically limited compared to here. People simply do not have the "right" to go see the doctor whenever they feel like it! The authoritarian government just doesn't allow that, instead, you are told when you are sick enough to go see a doctor, and you live with that because you live in a socialist country where that is the norm. We are spoiled in America! We want and expect to get whatever treatment we want, whenever we want it, and it's not up to the government to dictate that to us.

Certainly you must be intelligent enough to realize, there is no 'magic plan' where every American gets free health care. It's just not feasible, and would bankrupt our nation in a matter of a few years, if not sooner. Someone has to pay for the services, someone has to foot the bill for whatever we do. Nothing like this can be provided to the masses free of charge, it just isn't possible to do that, there aren't enough rich people to tax, we won't save enough to pay for it, and we simply can't do it. I know you dream of the day where every American has anything they want in the way of medical care, provided for them by the government at little to no cost to them, but it's just not going to work in a nation as large as ours, and with the mindset of the average American. Nothing in life is EVER free! Especially if it is being given to you by government!

 

[apple0154]

Well, no it's not, and you are an idiot for believing that to be the case. What purpose does it serve Conservatives for people to suffer? We want people to thrive and do well so they can generate prosperity, buy things, pay taxes. It doesn't benefit us for people to be sick or file bankruptcy.

Compassionate conservatism, right? That's what's known as an oxymoron, you moron.

I'm having difficulty grasping that these example you keep throwing out are comparable to the United States in any way, shape, or form. First of all, most of these countries you are bragging about, are controlled by socialist regimes, the people have NO say in what kind of health care (if any) their government provides.

More utter stupidity. There are dozens of countries with universal plans that hold free elections. If the population does not like the medical services they vote for people who will change it and there is always, always some politician wanting to make a name for themselves.

Again, you know nothing about universal plans. Do some research. The people in those countries are happy with their system. Once again, I throw out the challenge. Show me one country where a prominent politician is campaigning on eliminating a universal plan. Just ONE country.

You act like the rest of the world is just like the US, that people vote for Congress and President, and the will of the people is adhered to by the political leaders who are elected. In many instances, that is not the case, the people in these countries have little to no real political power. This is what makes the US such a great and exceptional form of government, we DO have representative government, the politicians DO listen to the people, and we DO have a say in what our government does and doesn't do through our elected representatives.

For God sake, man. What have you been listening to regarding other countries? Or is it a case of not putting down the crack pipe?

But that being said, let's say the people in these countries DO get the same voice as US citizens get here, and they CAN effect change in what their government does... What are they going to "revert back" to? Please tell me this, I am dying to know! You've destroyed the private sector as it pertains to health care, the commercial enterprises have folded, gone under, the investors have lost all their money... it's gone! How are you supposed to "go back" and "undo" what has been done? Who is going to (in their right mind) invest in a commercial enterprise pertaining to health care again? So you can see, even IF your assertions and assumptions were correct about these countries, there is nothing to "revert back" to! It no longer exists! What part of THAT are you having difficulty grasping?

I'm having difficulty grasping all of it because it's nothing but nonsense. There are investors in Canada lining up to open private medical facilities and that's after having a universal plan for over 40 years.

There will always, always be people wanting to invest in private medical practice, in some form. Why? Because it's a gold mine. That's why. Whether it's the real estate angle or doctors or nurses there will never be a shortage of investors.

When you objectively look at the socialized programs of other socialist countries, you see that services are drastically limited compared to here. People simply do not have the "right" to go see the doctor whenever they feel like it! The authoritarian government just doesn't allow that, instead, you are told when you are sick enough to go see a doctor, and you live with that because you live in a socialist country where that is the norm. We are spoiled in America! We want and expect to get whatever treatment we want, whenever we want it, and it's not up to the government to dictate that to us.

Your one ignorant man! In Canada one can see a doctor any time they want, 24 hours a day. If they don't like what the doctor told them they can go see another doctor at another facility. And if they don't like what that doctor told them they can go see another doctor. And another. And another.

Certainly you must be intelligent enough to realize, there is no 'magic plan' where every American gets free health care. It's just not feasible, and would bankrupt our nation in a matter of a few years, if not sooner. Someone has to pay for the services, someone has to foot the bill for whatever we do. Nothing like this can be provided to the masses free of charge, it just isn't possible to do that, there aren't enough rich people to tax, we won't save enough to pay for it, and we simply can't do it. I know you dream of the day where every American has anything they want in the way of medical care, provided for them by the government at little to no cost to them, but it's just not going to work in a nation as large as ours, and with the mindset of the average American. Nothing in life is EVER free! Especially if it is being given to you by government!

Do you pay for medical insurance? Instead of paying a company you would pay the government through taxes. Instead of all those medical companies making billions of dollars and their top management getting million dollar bonuses, bonuses your premiums paid for, that money would be put back into the medical plan. It's not just the rich paying. It's everyone paying just as most people now pay a medical insurance company.

Countries do it. Countries with a lot less money.

Do some research. You don't know what you're talking about. As I've told you the reason countries do not revert is because the people don't want to. They had it the other way before. They know what it is like. And there's still investors hoping to get a piece of the pie. Or should I say a piece of someones misery and that's who you are supporting.

You've been lied to big time. You've been fed crap. Do some serious research.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Compassionate conservatism, right? That's what's known as an oxymoron, you moron.

Has nothing to do with Compassionate Conservatism, it has everything to do with common fucking billy-goat sense! You didn't answer my question... How does it benefit Republicans or Conservatives for people to be sick, suffering, dying, miserable? Can you tell me how, or is this just one of those unexplained mysteries rolling around in your empty head?

More utter stupidity. There are dozens of countries with universal plans that hold free elections. If the population does not like the medical services they vote for people who will change it and there is always, always some politician wanting to make a name for themselves.

Again, WHAT are they supposed to revert back to? There is nothing there! All they can do at this point, is continue to throw money at it and hope to make it better. Most of these countries are having serious problems paying for these programs, and having to now go back and try to reinvigorate capitalist measures to solve the problems they are having. The problem is, once you've successfully killed capitalism, it is hard to get it to return. No investor is going to want to invest in a potential political football like health care... who's to say the people wouldn't change their minds again in a few years, and they lose all their investments again? It's not the most sound financial investment to begin with, but factor in the risk of government rendering you obsolete, and it's a no-brainer... only a fool would invest in a renewed corporate system again.

Again, you know nothing about universal plans. Do some research. The people in those countries are happy with their system. Once again, I throw out the challenge. Show me one country where a prominent politician is campaigning on eliminating a universal plan. Just ONE country.

I'm telling you, nitwit... these countries do not have a U.S. Constitution! They do NOT get to make the same decisions WE get to make, with regard to their government or what their government does! It's just NOT the case! And even IF that were the case, there is nothing to revert back to! What would a politician say... I know you hate this government-run system, so I plan to dismantle it and leave you with no health care, because no one wants to invest their money into the industry? I mean, come on, get real, what are they supposed to do if they don't like it? There is no alternative at this point, the alternative is gone.... no more.... never to be again!

For God sake, man. What have you been listening to regarding other countries? Or is it a case of not putting down the crack pipe?

No crack pipe, just the realization of the world we live in. You apparently think everyone has the full power of the US Constitution behind them, and are guaranteed certain rights and freedoms in these countries, and you are just plain wrong on that.

I'm having difficulty grasping all of it because it's nothing but nonsense. There are investors in Canada lining up to open private medical facilities and that's after having a universal plan for over 40 years.

And if everything is so lovely with the universal plan, WHY is this happening????

...There will always, always be people wanting to invest in private medical practice, in some form. Why? Because it's a gold mine. That's why. Whether it's the real estate angle or doctors or nurses there will never be a shortage of investors.

No, it's really NOT a gold mine. Health Care related stock is among the least desired on the exchange. Very small returns for your investment, a very conservative growth rate, and mostly dismal returns quarter after quarter. But still, I am wondering how, in a system where all problems are solved and everyone is happy, why would a commercial venture be attractive? Who wants to pay for something they can get for free? Could it possibly be, because the government-run system isn't all it's cracked up to be? Could it be that people might actually rather pay for care they can receive now instead of having to wait 6 months? It just seems to me, if the universal system is such a good thing, and people are so happy with it, there wouldn't be people trying to commercialize it after 40 years.

Your one ignorant man! In Canada one can see a doctor any time they want, 24 hours a day. If they don't like what the doctor told them they can go see another doctor at another facility. And if they don't like what that doctor told them they can go see another doctor. And another. And another.

And the taxpayer is footing the bill for ALL those visits? First of all, I personally KNOW people from Canada who have come here to the United States for surgeries they couldn't get in Canada within any kind of reasonable time frame. This happens all the time!

Do you pay for medical insurance? Instead of paying a company you would pay the government through taxes. Instead of all those medical companies making billions of dollars and their top management getting million dollar bonuses, bonuses your premiums paid for, that money would be put back into the medical plan. It's not just the rich paying. It's everyone paying just as most people now pay a medical insurance company.

See, what you are doing is, working yourself into a frenzy over "rich greedy companies" who you feel have more money than they deserve, and as a way to "punish" them, you're going to take their money and power away and give it to the government!

Health Insurance companies make (on average) a 4% profit per year. Does THAT sound like they are setting the woods on fire? Does it sound like people are getting rich? After taxes, payroll, business expenses, claims, lawsuits, marketing, and indigent care, the health care industry is making a whopping 4% profit! OMG, let's crucify them!

Countries do it. Countries with a lot less money.

Socialist countries with dictatorial regimes, where the people die in the streets and nobody gives a shit! And I doubt there are many countries with LESS money than us, we are currently $13 trillion in the hole!

Do some research. You don't know what you're talking about. As I've told you the reason countries do not revert is because the people don't want to. They had it the other way before. They know what it is like. And there's still investors hoping to get a piece of the pie. Or should I say a piece of someones misery and that's who you are supporting.

You've been lied to big time. You've been fed crap. Do some serious research.

I've done research, you fraud! People don't revert because there is nothing to revert back to! What part of that are you not comprehending? It's pretty fucking simple... If I run a health insurance business and nobody buys a policy because the government provides the service for free, I can't pay my bills and keep the lights on, so I have to close my insurance business. Once I've done that, wild fucking horses won't be able to drag me back into it again, because chances are, I am financially ruined already.

Hey... I gotta great investment idea... let's sink all our money into a system that the government can arbitrarily decide it wants to take over again on a whim! That's really smart! That's the kind of investment I really want to make! What could possibly go wrong there? You are an idiot who doesn't know the first thing about what you're talking about. You've been spoon fed a bunch of socialist bullshit, and you believe every damn line of it! Nobody can help you, because you are too hard headed to listen to anyone except left-wing propagandists. They've done a great job brainwashing you and other idiots like you, who can't seem to fathom how people want control of their own health care, and do not want to turn that over to the Federal government!

 

[apple0154]

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Originally Posted by apple0154 Compassionate conservatism, right? That's what's known as an oxymoron, you moron.

Has nothing to do with Compassionate Conservatism, it has everything to do with common fucking billy-goat sense! You didn't answer my question... How does it benefit Republicans or Conservatives for people to be sick, suffering, dying, miserable? Can you tell me how, or is this just one of those unexplained mysteries rolling around in your empty head?

Stop thinking like a billy-goat and you might understand. It all has to do with "what the market can bear". A manufactured shortage. An example would be if a group of people were dying of thirst in the desert and you had a water truck. You'd sell the water as expensive as possible and, yes, some people would suffer and die while others paid you a lot of money. If no one suffered and died, if everyone got some water, what would your water be worth? That is not a trick question. Just use more than billy-goat sense and you'll figure it out.

More utter stupidity. There are dozens of countries with universal plans that hold free elections. If the population does not like the medical services they vote for people who will change it and there is always, always some politician wanting to make a name for themselves.

Again, WHAT are they supposed to revert back to? There is nothing there! All they can do at this point, is continue to throw money at it and hope to make it better. Most of these countries are having serious problems paying for these programs, and having to now go back and try to reinvigorate capitalist measures to solve the problems they are having. The problem is, once you've successfully killed capitalism, it is hard to get it to return. No investor is going to want to invest in a potential political football like health care... who's to say the people wouldn't change their minds again in a few years, and they lose all their investments again? It's not the most sound financial investment to begin with, but factor in the risk of government rendering you obsolete, and it's a no-brainer... only a fool would invest in a renewed corporate system again.

It's truly wondrous how an individual can have such convoluted thinking. First of all the countries that complain about serious problems paying for universal medical have budgeted less than 1/2 what the US spends. If gas costs $3.00/gallon and I budget $1.50 a gallon, guess what? I'm going to have serious problems paying for gas. (More on the investment aspect below.)

Again, you know nothing about universal plans. Do some research. The people in those countries are happy with their system. Once again, I throw out the challenge. Show me one country where a prominent politician is campaigning on eliminating a universal plan. Just ONE country.

I'm telling you, nitwit... these countries do not have a U.S. Constitution! They do NOT get to make the same decisions WE get to make, with regard to their government or what their government does! It's just NOT the case! And even IF that were the case, there is nothing to revert back to! What would a politician say... I know you hate this government-run system, so I plan to dismantle it and leave you with no health care, because no one wants to invest their money into the industry? I mean, come on, get real, what are they supposed to do if they don't like it? There is no alternative at this point, the alternative is gone.... no more.... never to be again!

Your ignorance concerning how foreign governments work is nothing short of astonishing. (The investment aspect will be dealt with below.)

For God sake, man. What have you been listening to regarding other countries? Or is it a case of not putting down the crack pipe?

No crack pipe, just the realization of the world we live in. You apparently think everyone has the full power of the US Constitution behind them, and are guaranteed certain rights and freedoms in these countries, and you are just plain wrong on that.

Again, your knowledge of foreign governments is appalling.

I'm having difficulty grasping all of it because it's nothing but nonsense. There are investors in Canada lining up to open private medical facilities and that's after having a universal plan for over 40 years.

And if everything is so lovely with the universal plan, WHY is this happening????

The same reason a private consortium will build a toll road near a major city. The public highway is fine but there are always people who want to get to where they're going a little bit faster. The same reason there are luxury hotels constantly being built. It doesn't mean there's no rooms available elsewhere. It's the difference between wanting and needing. The demand for luxury medical accommodation results in denying people who need basic medical accommodation.

Try going to a popular tourist resort area and look for Tom Bodett's Motel 6. Where are the cheap motels overlooking the turquoise waters of the Caribbean? Do the luxury hotel owners care if poor people can't afford a room?

It's the same principal as the water example I gave earlier only no one is going to die if they can't take a vacation. It's the same principal used by medical establishments/facilities.

...There will always, always be people wanting to invest in private medical practice, in some form. Why? Because it's a gold mine. That's why. Whether it's the real estate angle or doctors or nurses there will never be a shortage of investors.

No, it's really NOT a gold mine. Health Care related stock is among the least desired on the exchange. Very small returns for your investment, a very conservative growth rate, and mostly dismal returns quarter after quarter. But still, I am wondering how, in a system where all problems are solved and everyone is happy, why would a commercial venture be attractive? Who wants to pay for something they can get for free? Could it possibly be, because the government-run system isn't all it's cracked up to be? Could it be that people might actually rather pay for care they can receive now instead of having to wait 6 months? It just seems to me, if the universal system is such a good thing, and people are so happy with it, there wouldn't be people trying to commercialize it after 40 years.

You like playing both sides of the fence, don't you? While it may be fun it doesn't do anything for your arguments. First you say people won't invest in medical if the government runs it and then you ask why are people trying to invest in/commercialize it?

So, you do acknowledge there will always be some folks trying to make a buck off the misery of others regardless if the government is involved. Finally, we can put that part of the argument to rest.

Your one ignorant man! In Canada one can see a doctor any time they want, 24 hours a day. If they don't like what the doctor told them they can go see another doctor at another facility. And if they don't like what that doctor told them they can go see another doctor. And another. And another.

And the taxpayer is footing the bill for ALL those visits? First of all, I personally KNOW people from Canada who have come here to the United States for surgeries they couldn't get in Canada within any kind of reasonable time frame. This happens all the time!

And I have seen articles concerning wealthy people going to foreign countries such as Mexico to eat berries and bugs trying to find a cancer cure. Is there a problem with the US, free enterprise, medical system? Where are the berries and bugs?

Do you pay for medical insurance? Instead of paying a company you would pay the government through taxes. Instead of all those medical companies making billions of dollars and their top management getting million dollar bonuses, bonuses your premiums paid for, that money would be put back into the medical plan. It's not just the rich paying. It's everyone paying just as most people now pay a medical insurance company.

See, what you are doing is, working yourself into a frenzy over "rich greedy companies" who you feel have more money than they deserve, and as a way to "punish" them, you're going to take their money and power away and give it to the government!

Health Insurance companies make (on average) a 4% profit per year. Does THAT sound like they are setting the woods on fire? Does it sound like people are getting rich? After taxes, payroll, business expenses, claims, lawsuits, marketing, and indigent care, the health care industry is making a whopping 4% profit! OMG, let's crucify them!

No one is trying to punish the companies. If the government can supply medical care at a reduced rate should they not do so or does the welfare of the companies come first at the expense of the health of US citizens?

Countries do it. Countries with a lot less money.

Socialist countries with dictatorial regimes, where the people die in the streets and nobody gives a shit! And I doubt there are many countries with LESS money than us, we are currently $13 trillion in the hole!

Dying in the streets? I don't know what you've been reading or watching or to whom you've been talking but your lack of knowledge is a sin.

Do some research. You don't know what you're talking about. As I've told you the reason countries do not revert is because the people don't want to. They had it the other way before. They know what it is like. And there's still investors hoping to get a piece of the pie. Or should I say a piece of someones misery and that's who you are supporting. You've been lied to big time. You've been fed crap. Do some serious research.

I've done research, you fraud! People don't revert because there is nothing to revert back to! What part of that are you not comprehending? It's pretty fucking simple... If I run a health insurance business and nobody buys a policy because the government provides the service for free, I can't pay my bills and keep the lights on, so I have to close my insurance business. Once I've done that, wild fucking horses won't be able to drag me back into it again, because chances are, I am financially ruined already.

Hey... I gotta great investment idea... let's sink all our money into a system that the government can arbitrarily decide it wants to take over again on a whim! That's really smart! That's the kind of investment I really want to make! What could possibly go wrong there? You are an idiot who doesn't know the first thing about what you're talking about. You've been spoon fed a bunch of socialist bullshit, and you believe every damn line of it! Nobody can help you, because you are too hard headed to listen to anyone except left-wing propagandists. They've done a great job brainwashing you and other idiots like you, who can't seem to fathom how people want control of their own health care, and do not want to turn that over to the Federal government!

But, but you said people are trying to commercialize it. We settled this aspect of your argument a few paragraphs back.

My goodness, Dixie. You're all mixed up. You're arguing with yourself. Half of your brain is telling you people won't invest in medical if the government is involved and the other half of your brain is telling you people are investing in medical, regardless of government involvement.

Perhaps I can refer you to this site.
http://www.singsurf.org/brain/rightbrain.php

It deals with problems concerning the corpus callosum which contains the neuron fibers that connect both sides of the brain. It appears you may have a malfunction.