Should Iran Be Sanctioned?

Should Iran Be Sanctioned

  • Yes

    Votes: 5 41.7%

  • No

    Votes: 4 33.3%

  • I am unsure

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Depends on the type of sanctions

    Votes: 3 25.0%
  • Total voters
    12
Damocles said:
Sanctions don't work when Russia is willing to go around them.
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true. i am just curious because i know some were against the sanctions in iraq. so i was curious if those same people are against the new sanctions in iran and how far sanctions should go. if we put up mamby pamby sanctions that in reality do nothing, what is the point? then, if we put up strict sanctions like in iraq, people complain it just hurts the citizens, not the leaders.

so what good are sanctions and are there any sanctions that could work?
 
Yurt said:
true. i am just curious because i know some were against the sanctions in iraq. so i was curious if those same people are against the new sanctions in iran and how far sanctions should go. if we put up mamby pamby sanctions that in reality do nothing, what is the point? then, if we put up strict sanctions like in iraq, people complain it just hurts the citizens, not the leaders.

so what good are sanctions and are there any sanctions that could work?
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There's so much sabre rattling going on that it's impossible to tell. As Damo said, if Russia (and perhaps also China) are skirting the sanctions then they'd be toothless.
 
Yurt said:
true. i am just curious because i know some were against the sanctions in iraq. so i was curious if those same people are against the new sanctions in iran and how far sanctions should go. if we put up mamby pamby sanctions that in reality do nothing, what is the point? then, if we put up strict sanctions like in iraq, people complain it just hurts the citizens, not the leaders.

so what good are sanctions and are there any sanctions that could work?
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First of all, the sanctions against Iraq worked. From the perspective of effectiveness, and ignoring the morality of it, it was probably the most successfull sanctions in world history. Remember? No WMD? Saddam was completely defanged, he had no viable WMD program, and not even a hint of a real capacity to have one. And his military was totally decimated and useless.

The sanctions of South Africa worked.

As for Iran, there is nothing illegal about them having a nuclear program. Every nation on the planet has the sovereign right to civilian nuclear energy. Even the dim witted Bush recognized this and acknowledged it at his UN speech.

So, as for harsh sanctions, the burden of proof is on us to show that they have some sort of nuclear weapons program. There's been zero concrete evidence of that. The right wing blogs have proffered not a scintilla of evidence of it. The IAEA inspectors haven''t found jack shit to substantiate rightwing paranoia. You know what? I was lied to by Bush, the right wing blogs, and their enablers about Iraq. And I didn't fall for it. It's going to take more than paranoia of a rightwing blog to convince me that Iran is arming itself with nuclear weapons for an eventual attack on Kansas City.

From a pragmatic point of view, Iran's cooperation with the IAEA hasn't been purely 100% cooperative. But, that's just about the scope and nature of inspections and disclosure. I don't have a problem with diplomatic pressure, backed up by the threat or implementation of modest sanctions if appropriate.

But, its up to Bush voters, the rightwing, and their paranoid enablers to show that Iran is building weapons, before I would think harsh sanctions are merited. I didn't fall for the Iraq bullshit, like so many other did. So I'm not inclined to believe the fear mongering and paranoia from the same idiots who lied us into the Iraq war.
 
Cypress said:
So, as for harsh sanctions, the burden of proof is on us to show that they have some sort of nuclear weapons program. There's been zero concrete evidence of that.
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well obviously we shouldn't be concerned over whether they have a nuclear weapons program.....they've told us they don't.....nothing to see here, go look somewhere else.....like North Korea......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
well obviously we shouldn't be concerned over whether they have a nuclear weapons program.....they've told us they don't.....nothing to see here, go look somewhere else.....like North Korea......
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I fully support IAEA inspections in Iran, and verification. Which I supported in Iraq as well.

You, on the other hand, lied along with 50 million other bush voters, and claimed Iraq was armed to the teeth with WMD, was in league with Al Qaeda, and was poised to attack us.

You were wrong on all counts. Your judgment can't be trusted. So, we'll be taking my judgment over yours as being far more credible and prudent.
 
Cypress said:
You, on the other hand, lied along with 50 million other bush voters, and claimed Iraq was armed to the teeth with WMD, was in league with Al Qaeda, and was poised to attack us.
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I lied about nothing.....it was and still is my opinion that it was essential to the stability of the Middle East to remove Saddam Hussein.....everyone, liberal and conservative alike, believed that Iraq had WMD at the time the war began and if you deny that YOU are lying......no one said that Hussein was poised to attack the US, but there was no question that he was prepared to expand his influence in the region by military force....first Iran, then Kuwait, and he was rebuilding his military capabilities with the cooperation of France and Russia even while the UN was "inspecting" him......and if you think he wouldn't have exploited the services of terrorists in order to accomplish his goals you remain a fool.....

and, if you are prepared to take Iran's word as fully as you were prepared to take Hussein's your judgment shouldn't be trusted for anything.....
 
Cypress said:
I fully support IAEA inspections in Iran, and verification. Which I supported in Iraq as well.

You, on the other hand, lied along with 50 million other bush voters, and claimed Iraq was armed to the teeth with WMD, was in league with Al Qaeda, and was poised to attack us.

You were wrong on all counts. Your judgment can't be trusted. So, we'll be taking my judgment over yours as being far more credible and prudent.
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lol...you're such a moronic hack most of the time....do we really have to show you all the dem quotes that said saddam had wmd's....AGAIN?
 
Yurt said:
lol...you're such a moronic hack most of the time....do we really have to show you all the dem quotes that said saddam had wmd's....AGAIN?
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I'm not "the dems". I didn't say a word about political parties. For someone who purports to be independent, you seem to see the world through a prism of political parties.

I'm me. I knew the Iraq War was based on misinformation and lies, as did around 90% of the citizens of most developed countries.

The fact that you and PiMP were easily fooled is a reflection on you, not me.

I vote against Democrats who supported the War, whenever I get the opportunity. That's probably the only reason I supported Obama over Hillary. Otherwise, I might have voted for HC in the primary.


How was it that you and PiMP were so easily fooled into supporting one of the most disasterous foreign policy decisions in american history?
 
Cypress said:
I'm not "the dems". I didn't say a word about political parties. For someone who purports to be independent, you seem to see the world through a prism of political parties.

I'm me. I knew the Iraq War was based on misinformation and lies, as did around 90% of the citizens of most developed countries.

The fact that you and PiMP were easily fooled is a reflection on you, not me.

I vote against Democrats who supported the War, whenever I get the opportunity. That's probably the only reason I supported Obama over Hillary. Otherwise, I might have voted for HC in the primary.


How was it that you and PiMP were so easily fooled into supporting one of the most disasterous foreign policy decisions in american history?
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You, on the other hand, lied along with 50 million other bush voters
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you can't even keep up with your own partisan bullshit
 
Cypress said:
I'm me. I knew the Iraq War was based on misinformation and lies, as did around 90% of the citizens of most developed countries.
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all hail the clairvoyant Cypress....I'd believe you if I didn't disbelieve you so much.....especially since you are so wrong about the 90% figure......I expect like most who hold your opinion you realized you had always known there were no WMD about a year after the war began.....
 
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yes, but more to destabilize its government than anything else

the iranian government is spending big bucks in search of refined uranium while its population suffers

oat, maybe iran will destabilize itself without our help and not destabilize if we interfere

oh well
 
Whats the point of sanctions in this case.If one nation can have them then all nations should have them.Then we'd have a perfect balance of power for everyone.
 
DonQuixote said:
yes, but more to destabilize its government than anything else

the iranian government is spending big bucks in search of refined uranium while its population suffers

oat, maybe iran will destabilize itself without our help and not destabilize if we interfere

oh well
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so your point is that Iran is acting like the US?......spending too much and thereby, destabilizing the country's economy?......
 
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