So, you go to the movies to create jobs?
Buying condoms and birth control pills and astroglide does not create jobs?
Is unmarried sex always harmfull?
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So, you go to the movies to create jobs?
Buying condoms and birth control pills and astroglide does not create jobs?
No, but it is part of the consideration... as well as who you put at risk, those on the road with you decided to place themselves at risk, their passengers maybe not. Are the risks outweighed by the benefit?
Buying condoms would create jobs, however that will never outweigh risking another who cannot possibly understand or choose to take on the risk. You desperately want to make it justified to take that risk because sex is fun. We all know that it is, we are driven to participate by our hormones. However, unlike animals we can consider our actions and how it can effect the future, is this risk beneficial to others in some way or does it put an entire lifetime at risk for another who could never choose to take on that risk?
Many people who have unmarried sex would be better parents than many who have married sex.
And they would be even better parents with a partner.
Depending on the partner....
I know quite a few people who are very glad there parents had unmarried sex.
Again, risk to benefit analysis. Children need interaction with children their age in order to learn to be successful in the future. Silly examples notwithstanding, once the parent has chosen to raise the child, it is part of their responsibility to teach the child such analysis. Most parents in the US use a set of rules given them by their parents that already considered such things, or didn't but is used to make those determinations. This is where most people learn religion.
Once the decision to raise a child is made, creating the best environment for success is the most moral action. The highest percentage of success is from a two-parent environment, the child learns important social lessons from each parent.
Creating children randomly and on accident is not the most moral of activities as it places an entire lifetime at risk solely for a moment's pleasure.
Again, to answer the original question (repeating myself here), it is not always "harmful" to participate in casual sex, however it is always possibly very harmful and such a risk forced upon an innocent is wrong.
I belive that adults need sexual interaction to be healthy, much like a child needs social interaction. There is MUCH more to gain from sex than a mere moment of pleasure. There is possable harm in about everything we do. The risk benefit must be considered. Using a condom brings the risk down signifigantly, having oral sex instead of traditional sex also brings the risk of pregnancy down signifigantly.
Is it wrong for a father to go skydiving? He might leave the child fatherless. Is it wrong for a mother to go SCUBA diving? Is it wrong for a father to go snow skiing, mountian climbing? Is it wrong for a parent to run for president?
If they do, the responsible way to get that interaction with the least negative risk to the possible progeny is within a committed relationship.
And again, it is the assessment of the benefit to risk. It's like you can't understand the concept of such consideration because you want to come up with the answer you want rather than actually consider such things.
No, I understand. I just belive that sometimes its okay to have casual sex, especally if you have accounted for the risks. We take bigger risks every day. The randomness and possabilities of life are part of what make it great!
One can sit at home in a cushioned room and not have any effect on the world if they choose, any action carries the possability of harm.
One difference between you and me is that I belive you get MUCH MUCH more out of sex than a moment of pleasure, and I believe that the risk, if accounted for, is mininal compared to other everyday activities that you and others consider completly acceptable.
One difference between you and me is that I belive you get MUCH MUCH more out of sex than a moment of pleasure, and I believe that the risk, if accounted for, is mininal compared to other everyday activities that you and others consider completly acceptable.
Another example of my point that people will find ways to justify the action they want to do and work to ignore any other consideration.
People reach their conclusions long before they seek any rationale.
I disagree that I am doing that. I agree that people do it.
And again, one can make the risk more acceptable by creating an environment where the risk to the unformed progeny is most minimalized. One can participate and receive the benefits of a sexual relationship without casually risking the future of another. And the risk of creating unwanted progeny by going to a movie is zero.
Exactly....on the first part...
But going to a movie you might have a wreck with a pregnant woman, the risk is not ZERO.
You did not create that progeny by going to the movie, and the risk was assessed and accepted by the person responsible for her progeny. The risk of creating unwanted progeny by going to a movie is zero.
You havent been to some of the movie houses Ive been to!
I don't think there is any way to confirm the risks levels. Even if there are studies available, they would necessarily rely on interview data. But, I would bet money that you are wrong on this point. Condoms are 98% effective against pregnancy and there are still several choices required to get to either of the negatives you mention.
No, my argument is that a single family home or abortion are very possible for the child/fetus conceived in marriage. As far as I am concerned, an unplanned pregnancy is not really good or bad.
Greater than what? In this very post you said...
Yet you are okay with married people doing just that. The risk level is something we all decide to take or not. You are just rationalizing the same risks accepted by married couples.