Is unmarried sex always harmfull?

Jarod

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Does anyone really belive that for sex to not be harmfull it must be done within the bounds of marriage?
 
I think sexual liberation and the liberalization of sexual morals, although not complete, has led to great benefits to society.

Later marriage has led to more stable families and people feeling more secure in married sex. I had sex with many many women before I met my wife, so many I got bored. Now, with my wife I am not bored and know I tried as much as I wanted, enjoyed a variety and am happy with only her the rest of my wife.
 
what is up with Jarod and his retarded strawman threads?

Kick the strawman over if its so easy... I am really testing to see how socially conservative America is...

So far I have been very pleasantly suprised.

I am impressed that at least on this board, there are very few social conservatives and those who are are much more liberal than I thought.
 
If the Christians are right, then no matter how I "feel" about things it would still be wrong to have sex out of wedlock.

As it stands, I don't know if they are right. However sex out of wedlock, or at least a strong commitment of some sort, risks children with only half of the teaching tools they need for the best chance at success. Or it risks something worse, IMO, taking a life for your own convenience or risking the life of another to bring unplanned life into being....

It is usually a bad choice and can lead to unintentional harm to others. It is best avoided regardless of strong beliefs, or disbelief, in Western gods.
 
If the Christians are right, then no matter how I "feel" about things it would still be wrong to have sex out of wedlock.

As it stands, I don't know if they are right. However sex out of wedlock, or at least a strong commitment of some sort, risks children with only half of the teaching tools they need for the best chance at success. Or it risks something worse, IMO, taking a life for your own convenience or risking the life of another to bring unplanned life into being....

It is usually a bad choice and can lead to unintentional harm to others. It is best avoided regardless of strong beliefs, or disbelief, in Western gods.

Sex does not usually lead to pregnancy, especially if you use protection. Further, the negatives you cite are all the result of other actions/choices, not necessarily sex.
 
Sex does not usually lead to pregnancy, especially if you use protection. Further, the negatives you cite are all the result of other actions/choices, not necessarily sex.
I never said "usually" that is a straw man, and no all of what I cited is the result of sex. Secondary considerations notwithstanding, if you do not add the sex the negatives I cited will not result.

People work hard to give themselves reasons that it is okay. It is always easy to justify what you want to do (and all of us want sex). It is far more difficult to consider all of the ramifications that could result because of making a poor choice.
 
If the Christians are right, then no matter how I "feel" about things it would still be wrong to have sex out of wedlock.

As it stands, I don't know if they are right. However sex out of wedlock, or at least a strong commitment of some sort, risks children with only half of the teaching tools they need for the best chance at success. Or it risks something worse, IMO, taking a life for your own convenience or risking the life of another to bring unplanned life into being....

It is usually a bad choice and can lead to unintentional harm to others. It is best avoided regardless of strong beliefs, or disbelief, in Western gods.

The conception of children can be avoided. I had a lot of sex, some protected and some using the pull out method.... I never once got a woman pregnant until the week my wife and I decided we wanted to get pregnant.

Done right, sex without pregnancy is less likely than driving on the interstate without a having a wreck.
 
There is a very posative side to sex done right. It can lead to greater intamacy, a healthy release of sexual tension, posative release of that desire, not to mention enjoyment and pleasure clearly given to us by God!

Mixing marriage up with that can lead to real problems. People confuse passion with love... People get married before they really know the other person... People marry others without knowing sexual compatibility and or having learned about sex enough to fully enjoy married sex.

I would advise my adult children not to wait until marriage to experience sex.
 
I never said "usually" that is a straw man, and no all of what I cited is the result of sex. Secondary considerations notwithstanding, if you do not add the sex the negatives I cited will not result.

People work hard to give themselves reasons that it is okay. It is always easy to justify what you want to do (and all of us want sex). It is far more difficult to consider all of the ramifications that could result because of making a poor choice.

Done right, the ramifications are less serious than driving on the freeway!
 
The conception of children can be avoided. I had a lot of sex, some protected and some using the pull out method.... I never once got a woman pregnant until the week my wife and I decided we wanted to get pregnant.

Done right, sex without pregnancy is less likely than driving on the interstate without a having a wreck.
The only perfect method to avoid conception is not having sex. Condoms, the pill, pulling out, etc all fail.

What you risk is far more harm than a moment's pleasure is worth.
 
Done right, the ramifications are less serious than driving on the freeway!
Done "correctly" the risk is as effecting to a life as DUI. Again, you work to justify rather than actually considering the ramifications of your action. It is always easy for humans to do this. They form an opinion then choose "facts" that justify what they have already concluded.

As I said. Everybody likes sex. IMO, without a commitment at least as strong as marriage the risk (being extremely effecting to others more so than yourself) outweighs the moment of pleasure you seek.
 
I never said "usually" that is a straw man,

You said it was usually a bad choice.

and no all of what I cited is the result of sex.

Not usually.

Secondary considerations notwithstanding, if you do not add the sex the negatives I cited will not result.

So what? The person who engages in out of wedlock sex would have never done so if their parents had not engaged in sex or if they just had not chosen to breathe.

There are other choices/actions that have a direct causal relationship to the negative things you mention. Out of wedlock sex does not need to lead to any of the things you mention.

Further, all of the things you mention may result from sex within marriage or a committed relationship.
 
The only perfect method to avoid conception is not having sex. Condoms, the pill, pulling out, etc all fail.

What you risk is far more harm than a moment's pleasure is worth.

A. Its much much more than merely a moment of pleasure.

B. All of those methods fail much less than you would be led to belive.

C. Most "unplanned" pregnancies are when the truth is known the result of not using any method of protection.

The worst case senario is a life.... On the interstate the worst case senario is a death.
 
If the Christians are right, then no matter how I "feel" about things it would still be wrong to have sex out of wedlock.

As it stands, I don't know if they are right. However sex out of wedlock, or at least a strong commitment of some sort, risks children with only half of the teaching tools they need for the best chance at success. Or it risks something worse, IMO, taking a life for your own convenience or risking the life of another to bring unplanned life into being....

It is usually a bad choice and can lead to unintentional harm to others. It is best avoided regardless of strong beliefs, or disbelief, in Western gods.

Taking a life at your own convenience? You lost me there. That doesn't even make sense.
 
I never said "usually" that is a straw man, and no all of what I cited is the result of sex. Secondary considerations notwithstanding, if you do not add the sex the negatives I cited will not result.

People work hard to give themselves reasons that it is okay. It is always easy to justify what you want to do (and all of us want sex). It is far more difficult to consider all of the ramifications that could result because of making a poor choice.

What? There are no downsides to unmarried sex. Just get an abortion is something goes wrong, easy. I don't see where "taking a life" comes into play here. IMHO, the state should promote unmarried sex. Hopefully one day the practice of marriage comes to an end.
 
The only perfect method to avoid conception is not having sex. Condoms, the pill, pulling out, etc all fail.

What you risk is far more harm than a moment's pleasure is worth.

What harm? The possibility of surgical side effects from the woman's abortion? That's like a 1 in 100k chance of a 1 in 1000 chance. Jesus. You may as well say that you should never drive because the money you get from work is worth risking your life.
 
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