Higher education is about more than job training.

A related question:

What happens for the other roughly 67% of people who aren't college material and will never get a degree?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I did. Those courses were 'fluff' ones you did as electives. Sure, they can be useful in a secondary role to life, or in the pursuit of a hobby, but they aren't the ones that are likely to lead to a productive career.
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Getting a job and paying the mortgage hardly counts as authentically human life. Art history, music appreciation, English literature are supposed to open one's imagination and rationality to values and truths one does not get from an accounting course.

But I'm sure a lot of MAGA don't really aspire to anything beyond drawing a paycheck and going comfortably numb.

 
T. A. Gardner said:
A related question:

What happens for the other roughly 67% of people who aren't college material and will never get a degree?
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90 percent of what I learned about art, history, philosophy, literature, music, theater, I learned on my own time outside of college.

Woodworking, photography, leatherworking, painting, welding are forms of the aesthetic arts and crafts that can famously be learned outside of college.

Or, you can be MAGA and just lay flooring all day, and then go home and get stoned on beer and opioids.
 
Cypress said:
90 percent of what I learned about art, history, philosophy, literature, music, theater, I learned on my own time outside of college.

Woodworking, photography, leatherworking, painting, welding are forms of the aesthetic arts and crafts that can famously be learned outside of college.

Or, you can be MAGA and just lay flooring all day, and then go home and get stoned on beer and opioids.
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Anything can be learned outside of college.
 
Cypress said:
Getting a job and paying the mortgage hardly counts as authentically human life. Art history, music appreciation, English literature are supposed to open one's imagination and rationality to values and truths one does not get from an accounting course.

But I'm sure a lot of MAGA don't really aspire to anything beyond drawing a paycheck and going comfortably numb.
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Yea, as if you are the next American Idol...

The reality is that 95% of the population have to take jobs they are okay with, not ones they really, really want to do. That bullshit is fantasy.


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I made far, far more money doing electrical contracting than trying to get some job using my degrees. Yes, they were handy to have in improving my ability to do that, but it wasn't per se something you needed college for.
 
Cypress said:
90 percent of what I learned about art, history, philosophy, literature, music, theater, I learned on my own time outside of college.

Woodworking, photography, leatherworking, painting, welding are forms of the aesthetic arts and crafts that can famously be learned outside of college.

Or, you can be MAGA and just lay flooring all day, and then go home and get stoned on beer and opioids.
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Yea, and any of those and $10 will get you a cup of designer coffee today...
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Kind of hard to be in a school of business when none existed...
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That is one of the best argument for education that is not tied to a specific job. If you just educate for specific jobs, you do not educate for new jobs no one has thought of.

It makes sense to train for specific jobs if you are a poor country, but not moving to allow more general education is part of what causes the middle income trap.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
A related question:

What happens for the other roughly 67% of people who aren't college material and will never get a degree?
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More than 67% of the young people get bachelors degrees now, so you are wrong. What percent of people should get bachelors degrees? It is not for me to make a final decision on that.

Our society needs people with college degrees, and people without them. Your point?
 
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