The agrument was often made pre 1964 that Black Highschools provided everything that White Highschools provided and that there was no need to desegregate.
Segregation now, segregation forever!
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The agrument was often made pre 1964 that Black Highschools provided everything that White Highschools provided and that there was no need to desegregate.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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I've already told you, I am never wrong! My claims have been right on point the whole debate, while you and your team of closet bigots have tried to pick away at trivialities. If you seek to change my argument into something it isn't, you can argue against it and be "right" all day, it still doesn't mean I am wrong! It does mean you are an idiot who is without a point.
There is no separate! Homosexuality is not banned from marriage. Marriage is the union of a male and female gendered person, and it doesn't have anything to do with homo or heterosexuality, or anything else, that's just what 'marriage' means. Comparing Gay Marriage to Civil Rights, is like comparing Water Polo to War! It is a direct insult and slap in the face to every black American and REAL supporter of Civil Rights, and maybe that is why the black community continues to be overwhelmingly opposed to it?
Congress did check out the Civil Rights Act of 1875 sure the courts overruled it, but, the law was passed by CONGRESS, THEN!
Who is laughable and foolish?
The CIVIL RIGHTS ACT Of 1875 was passed by a MAJORITY OF CONGRESS, you foolish and laughable man!
10 years from now are you going to argue that Obama was not for healthcare because the bill did not pass?
Dixie - In Memoriam
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1. It was passed by a "congress" comprised of Northerners bitter at the South for the Civil War and the assassination of Lincoln, and Northern 'puppets' who voted for the Southern states, who had no representation in Congress.
2. As a law, it was rarely ever enforced, and after the very next presidential election, and reconstruction, it was found unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.
3. While President Grant signed the law, he never advocated or endorsed desegregation or racial equality in any campaign speech or administrative policy.
4. Those who supported the legislation, did not have to worry about integration, as there were no blacks to speak of in the North, so it was of NO consequence to them. This indicates it was a purely vindictive political move, and NOT a civil rights issue.
5. If the Civil Rights Act of 1865 ended segregation, we wouldn't have had 100 more years of it!
6. You are a fuckwit!
7. I can't believe I am wasting my time even talking to you.
Dixie said...
The truth, as ugly as it may be, is that every politician prior to 1965, is responsible for supporting segregationist policy, because they DID! Repeatedly! For a century, every president, every Congress, and every Judge they appointed, upheld and maintained a system of complete and total segregation in America!
No one in their right political mind, in 1948, would have been opposed to segregation!
Throughout history, there have not been people in political power, advocating change in our segregationist policy, prior to 1963! It doesn't exist, because black people were shut out of the political process, and it was not an issue, it was presumed and assumed you supported and condoned segregationist policy, because that was how things were in America. No one stood up and said it was bad! Everyone accepted it, and continued to condone it!
there were people in 1864 who thought slaves were equal to whites! Unfortunately, NONE of them were political figures, or able to be political figures, because the overwhelming majority of an ALL WHITE electorate, fundamentally disagreed with them!
They didn't engage in political debate on the issue! They didn't campaign or advocate for the issue! They didn't put the issue in their national platforms! It may not signify support for segregationist policies, but it sure doesn't imply there was a fight against them. You can say that "plenty opposed" the status quot when it came to segregation, but it wasn't "plenty" or the law would have changed, politicians would have campaigned on the issue, people would have initiated change, had that been the case. Let's tell the truth, shall we? Aside from a few black activists and a few pinhead liberal elites, no one in America was advocating against segregation until the early 60s.
I have not denied there were activists speaking out against segregation, I made that abundantly clear 50 posts back, it's not what I have said. Our society as a whole, including ALL the political representatives we elected to office, held a view condoning segregation, or tacitly refused to take a firm stand on the issue. That is the truth, that is how things were in America. You can deny that, and claim it wasn't the case, but it most certainly was.
The history of the struggle is, for nearly 100 years, there was no struggle, segregation was accepted and condoned, and affixed in our society by the politicians, congress, judges, and any other positions of authority, which were all controlled by white people!
With regard to political leaders, congressmen who could effectively change laws, presidents, judges, etc.... there were essentially NONE! From 1864 to 1964, the number of such leaders can be counted on less than one hand! For you to keep insisting this was not the case, is laughable and foolish.
No politician was out there "pushing for" desegregation and racial equality! It just wasn't happening in the real world! To a fault, every damn one of them were either promoting segregation, or tacitly accepting of it...a 'necessary evil', or whatever. None of them stood up to challenge it or speak against it... for 100 years! Well, almost 100, anyway....
We had NO Congressmen who were the least bit concerned with giving black people a completely desegregated society! NONE! If you can cite any example prior to WWII, I would love to see it! Truth is, it doesn't exist!
Our society as a whole, including ALL the political representatives we elected to office, held a view condoning segregation, or tacitly refused to take a firm stand on the issue.
From the time of the Civil War until after WWII, the overwhelming majority of people in America, were supportive of the segregation policies. No one in political power, or seeking political power, was advocating desegregation. This went on for decades, Congress after Congress, Supreme Court after Supreme Court, President after President!
No one in political power or running for any high-level political office, supported, condoned, or advocated desegregation, prior to WWII. If you have ANY example, please post it!
The challenge still stands... Show me any political leader who was openly advocating public desegregation prior to 1964! Just one example?
You can read what you want to into my comments, you haven't given us any examples of public legislation to desegregate anything yet. No presidents or Congressional leaders advocating it, nothing... save for an instance of Truman desegregating the military in 1948, you have nothing. There is no verbal snafu, just as there is no record of Congress supporting desegregation for nearly a century. You can try to hide from that or live in denial of it if you like, I can't change the mind of a bigot, and I won't try.
I've already told you, I am never wrong!
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To which I say, CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1875!
To all of the ABOVE I point out the CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1875! A bill passed by CONGRESS that made segregation illegal and instituted a fine for segregating, in fact it went further than the CIVIL RIGHTS ACT of 1964 because it prevented even private orginizations from segregating.
This act was written by ELECTED CONGRESSMEN, am MAJORITY PASSED THE BILL after it was supported and campaigned on!
Dont they teach this stuff in Alabama?
Dixie, to prevent further embarrasment of yourself enroll in an American History Class before you speak up again!
The truth, as ugly as it may be, is that every politician prior to 1965, is responsible for supporting segregationist policy, because they DID! Repeatedly! For a century, every president, every Congress, and every Judge they appointed, upheld and maintained a system of complete and total segregation in America!
No one in their right political mind, in 1948, would have been opposed to segregation!
Throughout history, there have not been people in political power, advocating change in our segregationist policy, prior to 1963! It doesn't exist, because black people were shut out of the political process, and it was not an issue, it was presumed and assumed you supported and condoned segregationist policy, because that was how things were in America. No one stood up and said it was bad! Everyone accepted it, and continued to condone it!
there were people in 1864 who thought slaves were equal to whites! Unfortunately, NONE of them were political figures, or able to be political figures, because the overwhelming majority of an ALL WHITE electorate, fundamentally disagreed with them!
They didn't engage in political debate on the issue! They didn't campaign or advocate for the issue! They didn't put the issue in their national platforms! It may not signify support for segregationist policies, but it sure doesn't imply there was a fight against them. You can say that "plenty opposed" the status quot when it came to segregation, but it wasn't "plenty" or the law would have changed, politicians would have campaigned on the issue, people would have initiated change, had that been the case. Let's tell the truth, shall we? Aside from a few black activists and a few pinhead liberal elites, no one in America was advocating against segregation until the early 60s.
I have not denied there were activists speaking out against segregation, I made that abundantly clear 50 posts back, it's not what I have said. Our society as a whole, including ALL the political representatives we elected to office, held a view condoning segregation, or tacitly refused to take a firm stand on the issue. That is the truth, that is how things were in America. You can deny that, and claim it wasn't the case, but it most certainly was.
The history of the struggle is, for nearly 100 years, there was no struggle, segregation was accepted and condoned, and affixed in our society by the politicians, congress, judges, and any other positions of authority, which were all controlled by white people!
With regard to political leaders, congressmen who could effectively change laws, presidents, judges, etc.... there were essentially NONE! From 1864 to 1964, the number of such leaders can be counted on less than one hand! For you to keep insisting this was not the case, is laughable and foolish.
No politician was out there "pushing for" desegregation and racial equality! It just wasn't happening in the real world! To a fault, every damn one of them were either promoting segregation, or tacitly accepting of it...a 'necessary evil', or whatever. None of them stood up to challenge it or speak against it... for 100 years! Well, almost 100, anyway....
We had NO Congressmen who were the least bit concerned with giving black people a completely desegregated society! NONE! If you can cite any example prior to WWII, I would love to see it! Truth is, it doesn't exist!
Our society as a whole, including ALL the political representatives we elected to office, held a view condoning segregation, or tacitly refused to take a firm stand on the issue.
From the time of the Civil War until after WWII, the overwhelming majority of people in America, were supportive of the segregation policies. No one in political power, or seeking political power, was advocating desegregation. This went on for decades, Congress after Congress, Supreme Court after Supreme Court, President after President!
No one in political power or running for any high-level political office, supported, condoned, or advocated desegregation, prior to WWII. If you have ANY example, please post it!
The challenge still stands... Show me any political leader who was openly advocating public desegregation prior to 1964! Just one example?
You can read what you want to into my comments, you haven't given us any examples of public legislation to desegregate anything yet. No presidents or Congressional leaders advocating it, nothing... save for an instance of Truman desegregating the military in 1948, you have nothing. There is no verbal snafu, just as there is no record of Congress supporting desegregation for nearly a century. You can try to hide from that or live in denial of it if you like, I can't change the mind of a bigot, and I won't try.
I've already told you, I am never wrong!
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To which I say, CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1875!
To all of the ABOVE I point out the CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1875! A bill passed by CONGRESS that made segregation illegal and instituted a fine for segregating, in fact it went further than the CIVIL RIGHTS ACT of 1964 because it prevented even private orginizations from segregating.
This act was written by ELECTED CONGRESSMEN, am MAJORITY PASSED THE BILL after it was supported and campaigned on!
Dont they teach this stuff in Alabama?
Dixie, to prevent further embarrasment of yourself enroll in an American History Class before you speak up again!
PROVEN WRONG AGAIN!
Dixie - In Memoriam
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I stand behind what I said, and you've offered nothing to contradict it.
Nope... proves it RIGHT!
Nope, he signed a law to punish Southerners for the Civil War and death of Lincoln.
Nope, I'm always right. Less than 1% of blacks lived in the Northern states who supported the act.
No it wasn't. It was an attempt to inflict punishment on the South for the Civil War and the death of Lincoln, and nothing more... otherwise, it would have been rigorously enforced and upheld by the Supreme Court, and we would have never needed a 1964 Civil Rights Act.
I see, Dixie logic, if Congress passes a bill that makes it illegal to segergate in 1875, that does not mean anyone in Congress supported desegegation!
zappasguitar
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Give it up Jarod.
Dix has been shown over and over to be nothing more than a cowardly lying sack of excrement.
You were right and he was and still is wrong...if he's too stupid to realize how wrong he is, that's his problem.
I know he will never admit it, I want the reading public to see however what a shining example of a Conservative he is!
Dixie - In Memoriam
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BUMP!
Again, want this as close to the top as possable, the more views the better!
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Yes, let's keep this permanently pinned up top, so we can see what an idiot you are.
Jarod claims that we passed Civil Rights in 1865, which proves America has been a nation embracing desegregation since then.... through all of this....
* 1866: New Orleans Riot (New Orleans, Louisiana)
* 1866: Memphis Riot of 1866 (Memphis, Tennessee)
* 1868: Pulaski Riot (Pulaski, Tennessee)
* 1868: Opelousas, Louisiana http://www.opelousasmassacre.com/
* 1868: Camilla, Georgia
* 1868: Ward Island Riot
Irish and German-American indigent immigrants, temporarily interned at Ward's Island by the Commissioners of Emigration, begin rioting following an altercation between two residents resulting in thirty men seriously wounded and around sixty arrested. [7]
* 1870: Meridian, Mississippi
* 1870: Eutaw, Alabama
* 1870: Laurens, South Carolina
* 1870: Kirk-Holden War: Alamance County, North Carolina
Federal troops, led by Col. Kirk and requested by NC governor Holden, were sent to extinguish racial violence. Holden was eventually impeached because of the offensive.
* 1870: New York City Orange Riot
* 1871: Second New York City Orange Riot
* 1871: Los Angeles Anti-Chinese Riot
* 1871: Scranton Coal Riot
Violence occurs between striking members of a miners' union in Scranton, Pennsylvania when Welsh miners attack Irish and German-American miners who chose to leave the union and accept the terms offered by local mining companies. [8]
* 1873: Colfax massacre (Colfax, Louisiana)
* 1874: Vicksburg, Mississippi
* 1874: New Orleans, Louisiana
* 1874: Coushatta, Louisiana
* 1875: Yazoo City, Mississippi
* 1875: Clinton, Mississippi
* 1876: Statewide violence in South Carolina
* 1876: Hamburg, South Carolina
* 1876: Ellenton, South Carolina
* 1885: Rock Springs Massacre, Wyoming
* 1886: Pittsburgh Riot.
* 1887: Denver Riot of 1887
In one of the largest civil disturbances in the city's history, fighting between Swedish, Hungarian and Polish immigrants results in the shooting death of one man and injuring several others before broken up by police. [9]
* 1887: Thibodaux, Louisiana - Second highest fatalities in a labor dispute - 30 plus African Americans killed
[edit] Jim Crow Period: 1890 - 1914
Further information: Nadir of American race relations
* 1891: New Orleans Anti-Italian Riot
A lynch mob storms a local jail and hangs several Italians following the acquittal of several Sicilian immigrants alleged to be involved in the murder of New Orleans police chief David Hennessy.
* 1891: 1st Omaha Race Riot
10,000 white people storm the local courthouse to beat and lynch Coe, who was alleged to have raped a white child.
* 1894: Buffalo, NY Riot of 1894
Two groups of Irish and Italian-Americans are arrested by police after a half hour of hurling bricks and shooting at each other resulting from a barroom brawl when visiting Italian patrons refused to pay for their drinks at a local saloon. After the mob is dispersed by police, five Italians are arrested while two others are sent to a local hospital. [10]
* 1894: Bituminous Coal Miners' Strike
Much of the violence in this national strike was not specifically racial, but in Iowa, where the employees of Consolidation Coal Company (Iowa) refused to join the strike, armed confrontation between strikers and strike breakers took on racial overtones because the majority of Consolidation's employees were African American. The National Guard was mobilized just in time to avert open warfare.[11][12][13]
* 1898: Wilmington Race Riot
* 1898: Lake City, South Carolina
* 1898: Greenwood County, South Carolina
* 1899: Newburg, NY Riot
Angered towards the recent hiring of African-American workers, a group of between 80 and 100 Arab laborers attack a group of African-American workers near the Freeman & Hammond brick yard with numerous men injured on both sides. [14]
* 1900: New Orleans, Louisiana : Robert Charles Riots
* 1900: New York City, New York
* 1902: New York City, New York Anti-Semitic riots involving Irish factory workers, city policemen and thousands of Jews attending Jacob Joseph's funeral
* 1906: Atlanta Riots, Georgia
* 1908: Springfield, Illinois
* 1909: Greek Town, a successful Greek immigrant community in South Omaha, Nebraska is burnt to the ground and its residents are forced to leave town by a "white" mob.[15]
* 1910: Nationwide riots following the heavyweight championship fight between Jack Johnson and Jim Jeffries in Reno, Nevada on July 4
[edit] War and Inter-War Period: 1914 - 1945
Further information: Nadir of American race relations
* 1917: East St. Louis, Illinois
* 1917: Chester, Pennsylvania
* 1917: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
* 1917: Houston Riot (1917)
* Red Summer of 1919
o 1919: Washington, D.C.
o 1919: Chicago, Illinois
o 1919: Omaha, Nebraska
o 1919: Charleston, South Carolina
o 1919: Longview, Texas
o 1919: Knoxville, Tennessee
o 1919: Elaine, Arkansas
* 1921: Tulsa, Oklahoma
* 1923: Rosewood Massacre
* 1935: Harlem Race Riot
* 1943: Detroit Race Riot
* 1943: Harlem Race Riot
* 1943: Zoot Suit Riots, Los Angeles, California
Through all of it, we had courageous Northern congressmen demanding desegregation, and the whole country was pretty much for it except the South! Every Northerner who ran for president, had it in his platform and advocated it openly through all of these years, with all of this turmoil going on! The reason they were rioting in New York and Illinois was because they were so mad at Southerners for not letting them segregate!
Blacks in Harlem were perfectly happy with their situation, because of the CRA of 1865, you see... they were only protesting the way blacks were treated in the South, the only place in America where anyone was being discriminated against, through all the above list of events. Even with the whole nation rioting for nearly a century, they couldn't get the South to act right, and that was the whole problem, but now it's fixed!
THIS is Jarhead's view of Civil Rights in America.
Pathetic!
No problem!