For You Economic Doom & Gloomers

cawacko

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Here's an article supporting your position. I'm not buying it. America will eventually bounce back but interesting nonetheless.


Economic Black Hole: 20 Reasons Why The U.S. Economy Is Dying And Is Simply Not Going To Recover

Even though the U.S. financial system nearly experienced a total meltdown in late 2008, the truth is that most Americans simply have no idea what is happening to the U.S. economy. Most people seem to think that the nasty little recession that we have just been through is almost over and that we will be experiencing another time of economic growth and prosperity very shortly. But this time around that is not the case. The reality is that we are being sucked into an economic black hole from which the U.S. economy will never fully recover.

The problem is debt. Collectively, the U.S. government, the state governments, corporate America and American consumers have accumulated the biggest mountain of debt in the history of the world. Our massive debt binge has financed our tremendous growth and prosperity over the last couple of decades, but now the day of reckoning is here.

And it is going to be painful.

The following are 20 reasons why the U.S. economy is dying and is simply not going to recover....

#1) Do you remember that massive wave of subprime mortgages that defaulted in 2007 and 2008 and caused the biggest financial crisis since the Great Depression? Well, the "second wave" of mortgage defaults in on the way and there is simply no way that we are going to be able to avoid it. A huge mountain of mortgages is going to reset starting in 2010, and once those mortgage payments go up there are once again going to be millons of people who simply cannot pay their mortgages. The chart below reveals just how bad the second wave of adjustable rate mortgages is likely to be over the next several years....



#2) The Federal Housing Administration has announced plans to increase the amount of up-front cash paid by new borrowers and to require higher down payments from those with the poorest credit. The Federal Housing Administration currently backs about 30 percent of all new home loans and about 20 percent of all new home refinancing loans. Tighter standards are going to mean that less people will qualify for loans. Less qualifiers means that there will be less buyers for homes. Less buyers means that home prices are going to drop even more.

#3) It is getting really hard to find a job in the United States. A total of 6,130,000 U.S. workers had been unemployed for 27 weeks or more in December 2009. That was the most ever since the U.S. government started keeping track of this statistic in 1948. In fact, it is more than double the 2,612,000 U.S. workers who were unemployed for a similar length of time in December 2008. The reality is that once Americans lose their jobs they are increasingly finding it difficult to find new ones. Just check out the chart below....



#4) In December, there were also 929,000 "discouraged" workers who are not counted as part of the labor force because they have "given up" looking for work. That is the most since the U.S. government first started keeping track of discouraged workers in 1949. Many Americans have simply given up and are now chronically unemployed.

#5) Some areas of the U.S. are already virtually in a state of depression. The mayor of Detroit estimates that the real unemployment rate in his city is now somewhere around 50 percent.

#6) For decades, our leaders in Washington pushed us towards "a global economy" and told us it would be so good for us. But there is a flip side. Now workers in the U.S. must compete with workers all over the world, and our greedy corporations are free to pursue the cheapest labor available anywhere on the globe. Millions of jobs have already been shipped out of the United States, and Princeton University economist Alan S. Blinder estimates that 22% to 29% of all current U.S. jobs will be offshorable within two decades. The days when blue collar workers could live the American Dream are gone and they are not going to come back.

#7) During the 2001 recession, the U.S. economy lost 2% of its jobs and it took four years to get them back. This time around the U.S. economy has lost more than 5% of its jobs and there is no sign that the bleeding of jobs is going to stop any time soon.

#8) All of this unemployment is putting severe stress on state unemployment funds. At this point, 25 state unemployment insurance funds have gone broke and the Department of Labor estimates that 15 more state unemployment funds will likely go broke within two years and will need massive loans from the federal government just to keep going.

#9) 37 million Americans now receive food stamps, and the program is expanding at a pace of about 20,000 people a day. The United States of America is very quickly becoming a socialist welfare state.

#10) The number of Americans who are going broke is staggering. 1.41 million Americans filed for personal bankruptcy in 2009 - a 32 percent increase over 2008.

#11) For decades, the fact that the U.S. dollar was the reserve currency of the world gave the U.S. financial system an unusual degree of stability. But all of that is changing. Foreign countries are increasingly turning away from the dollar to other currencies. For example, Russia’s central bank announced on Wednesday that it had started buying Canadian dollars in a bid to diversify its foreign exchange reserves.

#12) The recent economic downturn has left some localities totally bankrupt. For instance, Jefferson County, Alabama is on the brink of what would be the largest government bankruptcy in the history of the United States - surpassing the 1994 filing by Southern California's Orange County.

#13) The U.S. is facing a pension crisis of unprecedented magnitude. Virtually all pension funds in the United States, both private and public, are massively underfunded. With millions of Baby Boomers getting ready to retire, there is simply no way on earth that all of these obligations can be met. Robert Novy-Marx of the University of Chicago and Joshua D. Rauh of Northwestern's Kellogg School of Management recently calculated the collective unfunded pension liability for all 50 U.S. states for Forbes magazine. So what was the total? 3.2 trillion dollars.

#14) Social Security and Medicare expenses are wildly out of control. Once again, with millions of Baby Boomers now at retirement age there is simply going to be no way to pay all of these retirees what they are owed.

#15) So will the U.S. government come to the rescue? The U.S. has allowed the total federal debt to balloon by 50% since 2006 to $12.3 trillion. The chart below is a bit outdated, but it does show the reckless expansion of U.S. government debt over the past several decades. To get an idea of where we are now, just add at least 3 trillion dollars on to the top of the chart....



#16) So has the U.S. government learned anything from these mistakes? No. In fact, Senate Democrats on Wednesday proposed allowing the federal government to borrow an additional $2 trillion to pay its bills, a record increase that would allow the U.S. national debt to reach approximately $14.3 trillion.

#17) It is going to become even harder for the U.S. government to pay the bills now that tax receipts are falling through the floor. U.S. corporate income tax receipts were down 55% in the year that ended on September 30th, 2009.

#18) So where will the U.S. government get the money? From the Federal Reserve of course. The Federal Reserve bought approximately 80 percent of all U.S. Treasury securities issued in 2009. In other words, the U.S. government is now being financed by a massive Ponzi scheme.

#19) The reckless expansion of the money supply by the U.S. government and the Federal Reserve is going to end up destroying the U.S. dollar and the value of the remaining collective net worth of all Americans. The more dollars there are, the less each individual dollar is worth. In essence, inflation is like a hidden tax on each dollar that you own. When they flood the economy with money, the value of the money you have in your bank accounts goes down. The chart below shows the growth of the U.S. money supply. Pay particular attention to the very end of the chart which shows what has been happening lately. What do you think this is going to do to the value of the U.S. dollar?....



#20) When a nation practices evil, there is no way that it is going to be blessed in the long run. The truth is that we have become a nation that is dripping with corruption and wickedness from the top to the bottom. Unless this fundamentally changes, not even the most perfect economic policies in the world are going to do us any good. In the end, you always reap what you sow. The day of reckoning for the U.S. economy is here and it is not going to be pleasant.

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/...y-is-dying-and-is-simply-not-going-to-recover
 
Maybe #20 does show the author to be somewhat of a nutter. But the main points he made in 1-19 are very real. The fact is we are dependent on a debit economy, and have been since the Great Depression. Each time a new crisis comes along it gets a bit harder to climb back out of it.

Credit economies simply cannot be indefinitely supported. Each time to date, the "answer" has been to encourage more debt by encouraging banks to lend more. We can look back over the last decades and see a definite pattern: people are encouraged to buy on credit, increasing overall demand which results in an increase in production which, in turn, decreases unemployment, and the economy gets rosy. Then the debt load maxes out, defaults start rising, spending drops which brings production down causing layoffs so UE goes up. Government steps in with some new banking regulations that increases credit to more people, lowering rates and writing laws that make high risk lending more profitable. So it repeats: spending goes back up, production follows, UE drops, rosy times until the NEW credit economy meets its debt load maximum, spending drops again, production follows, UE back up, another recession to be treated by encouraging yet more credit spending. Proof: we just got hit by a MAJOR crisis which directly resulted from lending to people who could not handle the debt. So what is our government's answer? Go buy a new car, and we'll give you a tax break to help pay for some of it. So bunches of people run out and happily put themselves 20,000 in debt in order to gain a tax credit. WTF?

Meanwhile various crises are generated by the changing banking laws, resulting in things like the S&L crisis and the latest near-collapse of the mortgage industry (which in turn threatened the entire financial industry.)

And another parallel phenomenon, the latest result of credit loads maxing out, is the loss of manufacturing jobs, because the credit economy cannot sustain labor costs at the levels necessary to our standard of living. We export jobs to keep things affordable to the house-of-cards credit economy. This, of course, adds to the instability of the credit economy because now, even when spending increases, it is not many American workers who benefit from the resulting increase in production.

Ultimately we WILL eventually run out of expansion room for extending credit. We will run into a wall where, no matter what banking laws are passed, no matter how low interest rates go, people will simply be unable to maintain their debt, or at best, will be unable to add to it. If we continue as we have, with the problems generated by a credit economy being treated with an expanded credit economy, then it WILL all come tumbling down. It's like watching a young child stack wooden blocks. The base is unstable, so when it gets so high, no matter where they place the next block, the whole tower falls.

Of course, avoiding the final crash would take some EXTREMELY unpopular moves: tighten the money supply, raise rates on new loans (keep current loans where they are - won't do any good to punish people for being in debt now.) and make other laws that encourage people to pay down their debts instead of buying ever more on credit. Of course, spending would go down, and a recession would follow - a LONG one because it will take a long time for our economy to bring it's debt load down to reasonable, manageable levels. But a controlled, planned some would call it, recession headed toward an economy based on stable ground, is far better than the crash that will come from trying to support and expand a credit economy on an indefinite basis. When the credit load is at manageable, low levels, keep them low, and start making legislation to encourage domestic manufacturing.

But who is going to make the moves that will result in the medium term (ie: 4-5 presidential election cycles) a recession economy? So, plan for the worst, because it is coming. We may be able to pull out two, three, maybe even four more cycles of increased spending via expansion of credit. But the wall is closer than most are willing to admit. And the way things are going, we'll be hitting it at around warp 9.7
 
So, plan for the worst, because it is coming. We may be able to pull out two, three, maybe even four more cycles of increased spending via expansion of credit. But the wall is closer than most are willing to admit. And the way things are going, we'll be hitting it at around warp 9.7

Agreed, which is why I have a back up plan.
 
Maybe #20 does show the author to be somewhat of a nutter. But the main points he made in 1-19 are very real. The fact is we are dependent on a debit economy, and have been since the Great Depression. Each time a new crisis comes along it gets a bit harder to climb back out of it.

Credit economies simply cannot be indefinitely supported. Each time to date, the "answer" has been to encourage more debt by encouraging banks to lend more. We can look back over the last decades and see a definite pattern: people are encouraged to buy on credit, increasing overall demand which results in an increase in production which, in turn, decreases unemployment, and the economy gets rosy. Then the debt load maxes out, defaults start rising, spending drops which brings production down causing layoffs so UE goes up. Government steps in with some new banking regulations that increases credit to more people, lowering rates and writing laws that make high risk lending more profitable. So it repeats: spending goes back up, production follows, UE drops, rosy times until the NEW credit economy meets its debt load maximum, spending drops again, production follows, UE back up, another recession to be treated by encouraging yet more credit spending. Proof: we just got hit by a MAJOR crisis which directly resulted from lending to people who could not handle the debt. So what is our government's answer? Go buy a new car, and we'll give you a tax break to help pay for some of it. So bunches of people run out and happily put themselves 20,000 in debt in order to gain a tax credit. WTF?

Meanwhile various crises are generated by the changing banking laws, resulting in things like the S&L crisis and the latest near-collapse of the mortgage industry (which in turn threatened the entire financial industry.)

And another parallel phenomenon, the latest result of credit loads maxing out, is the loss of manufacturing jobs, because the credit economy cannot sustain labor costs at the levels necessary to our standard of living. We export jobs to keep things affordable to the house-of-cards credit economy. This, of course, adds to the instability of the credit economy because now, even when spending increases, it is not many American workers who benefit from the resulting increase in production.

Ultimately we WILL eventually run out of expansion room for extending credit. We will run into a wall where, no matter what banking laws are passed, no matter how low interest rates go, people will simply be unable to maintain their debt, or at best, will be unable to add to it. If we continue as we have, with the problems generated by a credit economy being treated with an expanded credit economy, then it WILL all come tumbling down. It's like watching a young child stack wooden blocks. The base is unstable, so when it gets so high, no matter where they place the next block, the whole tower falls.

Of course, avoiding the final crash would take some EXTREMELY unpopular moves: tighten the money supply, raise rates on new loans (keep current loans where they are - won't do any good to punish people for being in debt now.) and make other laws that encourage people to pay down their debts instead of buying ever more on credit. Of course, spending would go down, and a recession would follow - a LONG one because it will take a long time for our economy to bring it's debt load down to reasonable, manageable levels. But a controlled, planned some would call it, recession headed toward an economy based on stable ground, is far better than the crash that will come from trying to support and expand a credit economy on an indefinite basis. When the credit load is at manageable, low levels, keep them low, and start making legislation to encourage domestic manufacturing.

But who is going to make the moves that will result in the medium term (ie: 4-5 presidential election cycles) a recession economy? So, plan for the worst, because it is coming. We may be able to pull out two, three, maybe even four more cycles of increased spending via expansion of credit. But the wall is closer than most are willing to admit. And the way things are going, we'll be hitting it at around warp 9.7

Many of the points had to do with globalization idiocy.

We should just reverse the trend of globalization, and make jobs for americans a priority over short term labor cost savings. A sustainable economic system has an intrinsic value which may not be measurable in terms of trashed up fiat currency.
 
You're being nonresponsive.

Ill rephrase for your level of retardation: How is it 'whining' to conduct a candid economic analysis?

The rich get richer faster when whiney bitches like him and you look at only the negative. Investors know it as "climbing the wall of worry" and Mr Laid off you put more than your share of bricks in the wall.


Investors with balls and vision to look at the positive will rake it in again this time as every time. So keep crying poor boy, I'll keep buying Apple, Chevron, IBM, intel, etc.
 
The rich get richer faster when whiney bitches like him and you look at only the negative.



Investors know it as "climbing the wall of worry" and Mr Laid off you put more than your share of bricks in the wall.


Investors with balls and vision to look at the positive will rake it in again this time as every time. So keep crying poor boy, I'll keep buying Apple, Chevron, IBM, intel, etc.

Keep on keeping on, fool! Keep feeling smart while being a dumbass.
 
Keep on keeping on, fool! Keep feeling smart while being a dumbass.

I'll keep being rich while you work on your 4th pink slip and trying to stretch an unemployment check.


This fool puts none of the positives in the analysis, and layoff champs like you have too many tears in your eyes to see them clearly.
But thanks again poor boy, you make me getting richer easier.:321:
 
I'll keep being rich while you work on your 4th pink slip and trying to stretch an unemployment check.


This fool puts none of the positives in the analysis, and layoff champs like you have too many tears in your eyes to see them clearly.
But thanks again poor boy, you make me getting richer easier.:321:

Name a positive.
 
Name a positive.

I'm teaching you and the other poor people for free, and I get paid to invest peoples money.

1. You suck the hype like southernman gobbling a cock in his closet. So a few hundred used car salesman turned mortgage broker sold shit to fools. Was that 100% of the economy or less than 1%!!!
You poor people rushed for the exits and threw the baby out with the bathwater, I catch babies.
2. The Average net worth was about $100,000 before the fall, it's prob getting back to close to that and peoples debt is going way down as fear of job loss and lack of lending is improving balance sheets.
3. Energy is cheep and in abundant supply. This country got to no 1 because of oil.
4. We are starting to have enough college grads to transform the economy from dumbass detroit anit education parts assemblers into an information age economy.
5. Take a look at the top 10 companies in the S&P 500 and tell me which one sucks
6. For the rich and really ballsy, invest in real estate down still over double digits from the top. Def not for law off prone pussies like you.
 
I'm teaching you and the other poor people for free, and I get paid to invest peoples money.

1. You suck the hype like southernman gobbling a cock in his closet. So a few hundred used car salesman turned mortgage broker sold shit to fools. Was that 100% of the economy or less than 1%!!!
You poor people rushed for the exits and threw the baby out with the bathwater, I catch babies.
2. The Average net worth was about $100,000 before the fall, it's prob getting back to close to that and peoples debt is going way down as fear of job loss and lack of lending is improving balance sheets.
3. Energy is cheep and in abundant supply. This country got to no 1 because of oil.
4. We are starting to have enough college grads to transform the economy from dumbass detroit anit education parts assemblers into an information age economy.
5. Take a look at the top 10 companies in the S&P 500 and tell me which one sucks
6. For the rich and really ballsy, invest in real estate down still over double digits from the top. Def not for law off prone pussies like you.

I mean for a majority of people. People who work for a living.
 
I mean for a majority of people. People who work for a living.

Here one more FACT for you to hate on.

The divide between the rich and poor will get much bigger. Average Joe carpenter/plumber's pay will plummet due to globalization and both parties love of immigrant labor. Workers will need to invest like the rich to even maintain the two car family home several vacations per year lifestyle.

China is the engine along with India and Brazil. Unfortunately for you, one will likely outsource you again.
 
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