Supreme Court appears set to strike down Colorado ruling to kick Trump off ballot

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US Supreme Court justices appeared to doubt state authority to disqualify Donald Trump from holding public office, after the former president challenged a landmark court ruling from Colorado’s highest court that found the former president ineligible for the presidency for his actions surrounding January 6.

An historic two-hour hearing at the nation’s highest court on Thursday heard oral arguments in a case that could determine whether the leading candidate for the Republican Party’s nomination for president can remain on ballots in primary elections.

Last year, justices on Colorado’s Supreme Court disqualified Mr Trump from state ballots under the scope of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, which holds that “no person” can hold any office, “civil or military, under the United States,” if they “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same”.

But both conservative and liberal justices on the nine-member US Supreme Court on Thursday appeared to cast doubt on the ability of individual states to disqualify federal candidates without permission from Congress. The justices will issue a decision at a later date.

Chief Justice John Roberts said granting states control over candidates for federal election would be “at war” with the Constitution and warned that a decision to disqualify Mr Trump could open up attempts to disqualify candidates “on the other side.”

“In very quick order I would expect … that a goodly number of states will say whoever the Democratic candidate is, you’re off the ballot,” he said. “And it will come down to a handful of states that will determine the presidential election.”

“Why should that be the right rule?” asked Justice Elena Kagan. “Why should a single state make that determination, not just for their own state, but for the whole nation?”

Justices spent relatively little time trying to define “insurrection” let alone whether Mr Trump had “engaged” with it after a mob of his supporters stormed the US Capitol to block the certification of 2020 presidential election results.

Mr Trump’s attorney Jonathan Mitchell argued that “even an admitted insurrectionist” could still be allowed on the ballot and be elected to office, and that it’s only up to Congress to decide whether that candidate should be removed.

Attorneys for the former president have argued that the Capitol attack was only a “riot” and that Mr Trump didn’t engage with anything resembling insurrection. Mr Mitchell argued to the justices that an insurrection “needs to be an organized, concerted effort” to overthrow the government.

“A chaotic effort to overthrow the government is not an insurrection?” Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson fired back.

But Ms Jackson also questioned why the office of the presidency is not explicitly named in the 14th Amendment, and doubted whether its authors “would have designed a system that would – could – result in interim disuniformity” in US elections.

Justice Neil Gorsuch argued that the Constitution speaks to candidates who “hold” office, as opposed to those who are “running” for office.

But plaintiffs’ attorney Jason Murray said that the “insurrection” disqualifier has “existed since January 6, 2021, when President Trump engaged in insurrection.”

The case stems from a lawsuit from government watchdog group Citizens for Repsonsibility and Ethics in Washington on behalf of a group of Republican and independent voters in Colorado, who argued that Mr Trump “failed” Section 3’s test, rendering him “constitutionally ineligible to appear on any Colorado ballot as a candidate for federal or state office”.

Following a trial and arguments from both parties in state court last year, Colorado District Judge Sarah Wallace determined that Mr Trump not only “engaged” with insurrection, he also “acted with the specific intent to incite political violence and direct it at the Capitol with the purpose of disrupting the electoral certification”.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...tics/trump-ballot-supreme-court-b2493056.html
 
I, personally, expect this to be decided in favor of Trump being allowed on the ballot.

I hope it is decided that way. Trump is, by far, the easiest Repbulican for Joe Biden to beat.

The question I have is: Why are Republicans so willing to have Trump as their nominee, when he is such a miserable candidate?
 
I, personally, expect this to be decided in favor of Trump being allowed on the ballot.

I hope it is decided that way. Trump is, by far, the easiest Repbulican for Joe Biden to beat.

The question I have is: Why are Republicans so willing to have Trump as their nominee, when he is such a miserable candidate?

Because Republicans, just like Democrats, are all about electing the worst possible candidate they can find, so long as it triggers the opposition so that they can spend the next 4 years cheering and laughing at their enemies while they ignore the slide in to poverty.
 
Because Republicans, just like Democrats, are all about electing the worst possible candidate they can find, so long as it triggers the opposition so that they can spend the next 4 years cheering and laughing at their enemies while they ignore the slide in to poverty.

So now you hate Trump?
 
When the Justices started asking hypothetical questions, I knew they were not going to rule.in favor of Colorado.

I mean, what are we trying to question here today people? The 14th Amendment itself? Why are the right wing justices not trying to establish whether the 14th Amendment is either the law or why it is not? They have not ruled on that first! Either it is the law or it is not. And if it is the law, then why can't states follow the law in their state? DUH! This is the questions the SCOTUS's seem to be evading!

The justices were looking for off ramps and left the court asking the hypothetical question- How can we allow a state to be able to influence the outcome of an election?- and to obviously concluding that if a state left a candidate off of the ballot intentionally, that would or could affect the outcome of the election.

Well, this is where the attorney for Colorado should have immediately asked their own Hypothetical question, and asking, "How can a state legally put a candidate on the ballot, of someone who committed acts of insurrection, and aided and abetted the acts of others who participated in an insurrection, and someone based on his acts of insurrection, is no longer suitable to hold the office of the presidency- AND THEN WINS THE STATES DELEGATES?

So, either way you look at this, YOU CANNOT MAKE A RULING ON A HYPOTHETICAL.

We can't have states interfering in elections without a good reason, (I'll gladly grant you that- you disgraceful Bribe accepting dishonorable HOLIER-THAN THOU ASSHOLE JUDGES) but we surely cannot be electing insurrectionists to hold public office of any kind. And that is what you seem to be dancing around you SCOTUS assholes!

And keeping someone who participates in insurrection off of the ballot is reason enough- and for a very good reason.

The Supreme court will end up dancing a jigging around the most single simplest point- of making a decision based upon what is simply RIGHT vs. WRONG!

To allow someone who illegally participated in an insurrection to run for office again is ludicrous, and certainly is in direct conflict with the 14th Amendment of the Constitution- the Supreme Court is supposed to uphold.

And the Supreme Court trying to make a mockery out of Colorado's choice to act on the 14th Amendment to uphold the law and the Constitution in their state is also a ludicrous act and Democracy Killer for our country!

The Supreme Court is not even a legitimate court anymore- NOT SO LONG AS THEY HAVE JUSTICES WHO ARE STILL ACCEPTING MILLION DOLLAR VACATIONS, Million dollar RV's, HOMES for relatives, and LUXURIOUS AUTOMOBILES over 250 grand, in exchange for their critical votes on the Supreme Court.
 
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As i think everyone has said who discussed this, no expects the SC to kick Trump off the ballot.

The big questions at play is 'will the SC provide context and clear definition to what is needed to act on the 14th or will they find a way to avoid addressing that all by instead finding a procedural way out to not address any broad questions and simply say 'this action was not properly brought' , or some such'.

If they SC ducks and only does the latter, which i am betting they will do, that is both sad and dangerous, as it will only invite more disparate rulings in the future and more litigation and more doubts.

They should attempt to settle the issue with clear findings and creating a path to ends this issue, but i doubt they will. As any rules they put in place now, Trump has likely transgressed them and worse, so it would force them to ban him or show them to complicit in not. To avoid that, they will take the 'procedural out' without defining it.

That is my bet.
 
Well


At least state Republicans wont be able twist the decision on a Democratic Party candidate


We all know they would
 
Because Republicans, just like Democrats, are all about electing the worst possible candidate they can find, so long as it triggers the opposition so that they can spend the next 4 years cheering and laughing at their enemies while they ignore the slide in to poverty.

You hate all of America now?


I kinda knew you Russians always did
 
You just called Trump the worst possible candidate idiot

yeah, and I said it before the 2016 and 2020 elections also. you fucking low IQ liberals were too stupid to remember that part. you just went off on how dare I say that about hillary and joe. so fuck off, again, racist troll
 
Because Republicans, just like Democrats, are all about electing the worst possible candidate they can find, so long as it triggers the opposition so that they can spend the next 4 years cheering and laughing at their enemies while they ignore the slide in to poverty.

Indeed.
 
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