And yet 75 years later, there they still are.
And Israel will not kill 2.4 million people, so there they are.
Nothing Sacred for Hamas: Terror Command Center Found in Tunnel Beneath Cemetery
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And yet 75 years later, there they still are.
And Israel will not kill 2.4 million people, so there they are.
Israel has not removed electricity, fuel, water and food, completely…yet,
They can and should do so. They will leave in droves. Those who don’t and prefer to die, will.
Israel has stated that there will be no two state solution.
There won’t be, Walter.
T. A. Gardner
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Pay attention dumb fuck:
Lack of proof is not proof of lack. It isn't incumbent on the IDF to have even let reporters in to see what they're doing. They did and they did so to the extent they could. If you don't want to buy the IDF's version, fine by me, don't.
The way I see it, is the Israelis and Palestinians are at war and the battlefield is Gaza. I really don't care what either side does, I want a winner and for this to be the last war the two fight...PERIOD! I want their warring to end with this war. So, I don't give a flying fuck if there were tunnels under some mosque or not, and if the IDF flattened every building in sight.
I would be absolutely against actual genocide like the Nazis perpetrated on the Warsaw ghetto or the Mongols did to any number of cities they conquered, but that hasn't happened so far. So, the whining of some Leftist and radical Leftist reporters is really irrelevant to me.
Taichiliberal
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So I paid attention to a dumb fuck like you asked, and what I read is a truly pathetic collection of supposition, conjecture and just plain old fashioned revisionist BS. YOUR OPINION IS WORTHLESS, as the FACTS do not support it. For someone who claims he doesn't care, you sure waste a lot of effort to disprove ANYTHING that doesn't jibe with the conservative status quo. The rest of your screed is just moronic, juxtaposed MAGA blather.
"lack of proof is not proof of lack".....possibly one of the dumbest excuses put forth to try and cover up a screw up. By this "logic", anyone can claim anything without ever having to provide physical or logical proof. Hmmm, sounds like the basis for the neocon/teabagger/fibbertarian/MAGA/alt-right garbage that has dripped from the GOP and it's sycophants for years.
Bottom line: the IDF fucked up. They tried to justify their actions and couldn't do it. TO DATE SINCE THE INCIDENT THEY STILL HAVEN'T. Very similar to the idiocy of Comer & Jordan telling everyone to "just wait & see" in their never ending failure of hearings and "witnesses" to provide concrete proof that Hunter is connected to his father's political career directly and corruptly. Both are pathetic strays dumb toots like you will eagerly grasp.
So have another drink and spin any tale you want to make yourself feel better. I'm sure the joker you see in the mirror whole heartedly agrees with you.
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Taichiliberal
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Oh puh-leeze, Tommy! You and I both know that you can't stand being proven wrong by me. Whenever I do, you lead with your first sentence, then follow with some self aggrandizing BS that is NOT supported by the chronology of the posts. But if I am truly on your ignore list, the system here will let me know. I personally, would be delighted to be spared your bigoted BS from "across the pond".
Once again, Tommy the Dip fails miserably to "own the lib".
Taichiliberal
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Rashida is my congresswoman and her mother lives in Gaza. She may have a different viewpoint than you. She actually has lots of knowledge about Palestine since she was born there and her family moved to Detroit decades ago.
She and her family should have stayed there. She is a serious threat to the United States by voting to allow Hamas terrorists into this country.
serendipity
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UNRWRA pretends to be a dispassionate UN agency, it's nothing of the sort as this article makes abundantly clear.
10 myths about UNRWA you may have mistakenly believed
UNRWA is rotten to its core. It validates and perpetuates the Palestinian war against Israel instead of helping to solve the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. It is an obstacle to peace.
This week’s revelation about the complicity of personnel working for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) in the Hamas October 7 attack on Israel is not surprising. Not to anybody who has tracked the nefariousness of this organization over recent decades.
Nor is it a surprise that over the past three months IDF troops have found Hamas weaponry in, and terror attack tunnels beneath, nearly every UNRWA institution in Gaza – schools, clinics, hospitals, and more.
Myth 1: UNRWA is a UN organization.
Well, technically it is, but in fact, UNRWA is a Palestinian outfit with Palestinian employees and Palestinian objectives. Of its 13,000 employees in Gaza, 99% are Palestinian, alongside a tiny number of international employees who cover for Palestinian corruption and Islamic radicalism. It is a Palestinian boondoggle.
Since most Palestinians in Gaza support Hamas, it stands to reason that many if not the majority of UNRWA employees are Hamas supporters too. According to Israeli intelligence, a full 10% of UNRWA Gaza staff are identifiable Hamas or Palestinian Islamic Jihad activists; hundreds of others openly celebrated the October 7 rapes and murders; and 190 UNRWA employees are “hardened militants” – fighters and killers with unmistakable terrorist records.
This is far more than “a few bad apples in the basket,” as some champions for UNRWA said this week.
Myth 2: UNRWA is a relief organization for Palestinians.
This has not been true for many years. UNRWA provides little food or humanitarian aid. The vast majority of its budget is devoted to Palestinian schools and hospitals, which is an anomaly without precedent anywhere else in the world.
There is no other UN organization that covers health and education costs for almost an entire population – in place of its local government. UNRWA runs the relevant institutions and pays the bills throughout Gaza, instead of Hamas having to provide health, education, and welfare for its own constituents. Hamas relies on UNRWA and its Western donors to operate core provinces of Gazan government, leaving Hamas scot-free to build terror attack tunnels and camp out in underground military bunkers for war against Israel.
Myth 3: UNRWA is a neutral organization.
No, it is not. UNRWA is a political outfit that shapes the story of Palestinian victimhood, preserves and prolongs Palestinian refugeehood, and educates towards perpetual war with Israel including Palestinian dreams of destroying Israel through refugee “return.” UNRWA is the most deleterious driver of a narrative of Israeli criminality, for 75 years now and running.
In particular, UNRWA keeps conflict with Israel alive by granting fictitious refugee status to an ever-inflating number of Palestinians – 20 times beyond the scope of real refugee levels – while refusing to permanently resettle even one single refugee.
Myth 4: UNRWA is a moderating and calming force.
Even though international wags (and even parts of the Israeli defense establishment) have made this claim for years, it simply holds no water. UNRWA is deeply impregnated and dominated by Hamas, and it certainly was of no taming or tempering effect before, after, or on October 7. Everybody can do without the make-believe soothing brainwaves of UNRWA.
Watchdog organizations tirelessly have documented the hate taught in UNRWA classrooms. Palestinian children learn that Jews are liars and fraudsters and that Jews spread corruption which will lead to their annihilation. Terrorists are glorified as role models. Lessons that incite violence are taught across all grades and subjects, including in math and science classes. Inevitably, the systematic teaching of hatred and violence within the UNRWA school system is Palestinian terror against Israel.
Myth 5: Palestinians in Gaza truly need global funding for their most basic needs.
From what the IDF has discovered in Gaza over the past three months it does not seem that Gazans are exceptionally needy or helpless.
The Hamas government in Gaza appears to be perfectly capable of undertaking big, sophisticated, and expensive projects ranging from underground tunnel and bunker networks that rival London’s underground system, to industrial weapons factories built to the best engineering standards, to well-organized commando units with top-notch intelligence capabilities and crafty attack planning skills.
Palestinians in Gaza do not suffer from underfunding, sub-par education, or deprivation of skilled labor, but from self-inflicted wounds that stem from a distortion of priorities. For decades they have prioritized warfare against Israel over building their own society in a healthy way. They need Western guidance (pressure) in reordering their priorities, not necessarily more cash or other aid.
Myth 6: Palestinians in Gaza need UNRWA to keep them alive.
This is not true according to Palestinians themselves. Even as some Western funders of UNRWA have suspended donations to UNRWA in recent days, the main concern expressed by Palestinians relates to a possible denouement in global recognition of their cause. They are much more distressed about the political blow to their status as privileged victims than they are about the money.
There are hundreds of social media posts and other testimonies indicating this; that Gazans see UNRWA far less as a critical provider of social services and emergency aid and much more as the vital validator of Palestinian identity in their never-ending war with Israel.
Myth 7: Without an immediate restoration of full UNRWA funding, Palestinians in Gaza will starve.
There is no “dire crisis” in access to food and water in Gaza. Nobody there is on the “verge of starvation.” Hundreds of trucks with goods and fuels enter Gaza every day despite the war, based on donations from Arab and (still) Western countries. Hamas demonstrably confiscates millions of dollars worth of such supplies for its army and favored elites, about which UNRWA has done nothing. But a steady flow of goods into Gaza continues, even if UNRWA’s pockets are a bit less padded.
Myth 8: UNRWA is the most efficient way to deliver assistance to Palestinians.
No, it certainly is not, and not just because UNRWA lets Hamas run off with lots of goods. There are far more efficient, less corrupt, and less grossly political aid agencies, some of which already are present in Gaza (and the West Bank), that can be mobilized to replace UNRWA. This includes USAID, UNICEF, and the World Food Programme. They could all do the work without succumbing to Palestinian legerdemain.
Myth 9: UNRWA can be fixed.
UNRWA needs more than an “urgent audit,” as the EU reluctantly mumbled this week, and much more than “enhanced due diligence and other oversight mechanisms,” as one unfriendly-to-Israel congressman grudgingly called for.
UNRWA needs to be abolished so that Gaza’s transition away from aid and toward economic development, and away from genocidal fantasies and toward peace building can begin quickly. It is certainly true that the current division of labor – UNRWA services above ground, Hamas terror operations below ground and from within UNRWA facilities – cannot continue.
This requires different international actors that can develop productive industry and jobs in Gaza, and that can lead the construction and operation of civilian services. International funding may still be necessary, but it should be administered by foreign governments directly and by different organizations that are subject to continuous oversight and rigorous accountability.
Myth 10: Wartime is not the right time to shutter UNRWA.
Now is the perfect time to do so. As Israel liberates Gaza from Hamas, the international community can unshackle Palestinians from UNRWA. At the same time Israel can unchain itself from destructive dependency on UNRWA and its problematic Israeli counterpart, the Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories – COGAT.
Then the rebuilding of Gaza can advance, free from rank corruption, destructive indoctrination, the coddling of terrorism, and overall moral rot that for too long has contaminated international aid politics for Palestinians.
https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-784774?utm_source=jpost.app.android&utm_medium=share
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6 of 30,000 my have materially supported HAMAS....so the Palestinians must be starved to death.
Fuck U.
serendipity
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No fuck you, 99% of UNWRA personnel are Palestinian, with many being Hamas terrorists, and it's riddled through and through with corruption. Why doesn't your grapevine tell you that?
U R Such a disappointment.
serendipity
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Don't blame me, blame your grapevine pals.
Blaming U for UR lack of competence is the right call.
6 of 30,000 is not many.
serendipity
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UNWRA is totally corrupt from top to bottom , it ought to be disbanded forthwith.
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UN agency for Palestinians is too corrupt to save:
The UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), which is dedicated exclusively to assisting Palestinians, has begun to lose the support of some of its most loyal donors. Following reports of widespread corruption and abuse at the highest levels of the organization, Switzerland, the Netherlands, and Belgium have suspended their contributions. This action may signal the readiness of other countries to pull their support if a full investigation confirms the initial allegations. What may be emerging is a rare opportunity to dismantle a wasteful organization whose ties to the Palestinian cause have protected it until now.
An internal UNRWA ethics report leaked by the press in late July contained shocking allegations of “sexual misconduct, nepotism, retaliation, discrimination and other abuses of authority, for personal gain, to suppress legitimate dissent, and to otherwise achieve their personal objectives.” UN investigators are now reviewing these initial findings.
https://thehill.com/opinion/international/457965-un-agency-for-palestinians-is-too-corrupt-to-save/
The UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), which is dedicated exclusively to assisting Palestinians, has begun to lose the support of some of its most loyal donors. Following reports of widespread corruption and abuse at the highest levels of the organization, Switzerland, the Netherlands, and Belgium have suspended their contributions. This action may signal the readiness of other countries to pull their support if a full investigation confirms the initial allegations. What may be emerging is a rare opportunity to dismantle a wasteful organization whose ties to the Palestinian cause have protected it until now.
An internal UNRWA ethics report leaked by the press in late July contained shocking allegations of “sexual misconduct, nepotism, retaliation, discrimination and other abuses of authority, for personal gain, to suppress legitimate dissent, and to otherwise achieve their personal objectives.” UN investigators are now reviewing these initial findings.
https://thehill.com/opinion/international/457965-un-agency-for-palestinians-is-too-corrupt-to-save/
serendipity
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UNWRA has an annual budget of $5.7 billion, you can be sure that much of it is going to Hamas and others.