Marjorie Taylor Greene believes generating electricity from “wind turbines and solar

[Sammy Jankis]

It thought is a Sharknado with the sharks having laser beams on their heads...

See! It was on television so it has to be true!

also true.

 

[QP!]

Screw you derp. The grid is in trouble because of government regulations. Derp, derp, derp.

Almost all major power outages during extreme heat and cold, are due to surging power needs in one area of the State, while other areas not impacted as much, are not surging or having any problems.

The surging areas, who are dealing with the worst weather, collapse leading to mass death and huge infrastructure problems.

A simple fix is to balance the power loads, so that areas not under stress, have their power reduced, so that the ones under massive stress can draw more and not collapse the system.

I will say this in a way that dumbs it down such that even a derp should be able to understand.

In my own home, i have on the same breaker, a Coffee maker and Airfryer, and if i run both at the same time they trigger the breaker and shut down the power to that circuit. So if i use one, i make sure the other is off. Or i move it and plug it in to another outlet on another breaker. There is adequate power in the system here, but on that single circuit and breaker the draw can be too big, and it will shut down. Extend that out to entire areas of a State during extreme heat or cold, while yet other areas are fine and not dealing with the same extremes, and you can see how easy this fix is.

But as i said prior, i have no doubt derps, the most stupid amongst would fight mightily against this easy fix. It is what derps do.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Not solar power or wind turbines, that's for sure. Where do you think it comes from when the wind stops and the sun is down? It isn't batteries, unless you have home solar and personal battery storage because the power companies don't store energy that way...

Batteries on a commercial scale are being tried, but the results to date are that you can only get a few hours at most out of them at a generating station because the cost becomes grotesquely unaffordable quickly. Battery storage is currently about $225 a kwh, and even if you could cut that down to $125 kwh, the cost of storage would break national budgets in a minute.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Almost all major power outages during extreme heat and cold, are due to surging power needs in one area of the State, while other areas not impacted as much, are not surging or having any problems.

The surging areas, who are dealing with the worst weather, collapse leading to mass death and huge infrastructure problems.

A simple fix is to balance the power loads, so that areas not under stress, have their power reduced, so that the ones under massive stress can draw more and not collapse the system.

I will say this in a way that dumbs it down such that even a derp should be able to understand.

In my own home, i have on the same breaker, a Coffee maker and Airfryer, and if i run both at the same time they trigger the breaker and shut down the power to that circuit. So if i use one, i make sure the other is off. Or i move it and plug it in to another outlet on another breaker. There is adequate power in the system here, but on that single circuit and breaker the draw can be too big, and it will shut down. Extend that out to entire areas of a State during extreme heat or cold, while yet other areas are fine and not dealing with the same extremes, and you can see how easy this fix is.

But as i said prior, i have no doubt derps, the most stupid amongst would fight mightily against this easy fix. It is what derps do.

this is just austerity measures.

 

[Nordberg]

MTG is thunderously ignorant and a real power in the Republican Party. She gets her way.

 

[Walt]

Batteries on a commercial scale are being tried, but the results to date are that you can only get a few hours at most out of them at a generating station because the cost becomes grotesquely unaffordable quickly. Battery storage is currently about $225 a kwh, and even if you could cut that down to $125 kwh, the cost of storage would break national budgets in a minute.

Prices have dropped by 80% in a decade, so why not use $45 per kwh as our predicted value? That being said, there is about to be a jump in production, so manufacturing costs will go down by more... And demand for raw materials will go up... So predictions are tough.

But we can go with $45 per kwh. If we can make a 10% return on that a year, that would be good. If we assume it charges and discharges 200 times in a year, then batteries would add 2.25 cents per kwh produced. That would make solar power much cheaper than coal, even including batteries.

But I am just throwing together numbers. It could go any direction. Which is why it is so important to invest in a battery future.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Prices have dropped by 80% in a decade, so why not use $45 per kwh as our predicted value? That being said, there is about to be a jump in production, so manufacturing costs will go down by more... And demand for raw materials will go up... So predictions are tough.

But we can go with $45 per kwh. If we can make a 10% return on that a year, that would be good. If we assume it charges and discharges 200 times in a year, then batteries would add 2.25 cents per kwh produced. That would make solar power much cheaper than coal, even including batteries.

But I am just throwing together numbers. It could go any direction. Which is why it is so important to invest in a battery future.

Even at $45 a kwh--which is ridiculously low--it's unaffordable. There is no return on investment in battery storage either. It is a sunk cost. And, solar still costs more.

 

[Walt]

Even at $45 a kwh--which is ridiculously low--it's unaffordable. There is no return on investment in battery storage either. It is a sunk cost. And, solar still costs more.

$45 per kwh, with a 10% return on investment, and being used 200 times a year is 2.25 per kwh.

There is a return on investment, assuming we continue to use electricity (a fairly reasonable assumption). It is not a sunk cost, because there has been very few battery systems bought. Are you sure you know what a sunk cost and return on investment is?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

$45 per kwh, with a 10% return on investment, and being used 200 times a year is 2.25 per kwh.

There is a return on investment, assuming we continue to use electricity (a fairly reasonable assumption). It is not a sunk cost, because there has been very few battery systems bought. Are you sure you know what a sunk cost and return on investment is?

There is no ROI on battery storage. It is an expense. It doesn't generate or produce anything. Batteries are a warehouse for electricity. There is no ROI on them.

 

[Walt]

There is no ROI on battery storage.

Someone spends the money to build a battery storage solution, and then someone spends the money to get electricity stored there, so there is a return on investment for the person who spent the money. Even if that return was only in savings, it would exist.

So we can calculate whether a project is reasonable or not based on that return on investment. This is accounting 101. I really do not know why it is such a problem for you.

It is an expense. It doesn't generate or produce anything. Batteries are a warehouse for electricity. There is no ROI on them.

When Amazon rents a warehouse for 10 years, it does not generate, or produce anything. It stores things. That storage has value. There is a return on investment for that storage.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Someone spends the money to build a battery storage solution, and then someone spends the money to get electricity stored there, so there is a return on investment for the person who spent the money. Even if that return was only in savings, it would exist.
So we can calculate whether a project is reasonable or not based on that return on investment. This is accounting 101. I really do not know why it is such a problem for you.
When Amazon rents a warehouse for 10 years, it does not generate, or produce anything. It stores things. That storage has value. There is a return on investment for that storage.

You really don't understand investing and accounting. Battery storage produces nothing. It holds a charge produced elsewhere until it is needed and discharged. It is a sunk cost. There is no return on that investment, it is an expense of doing business.

Warehouses are an expense of doing business. They don't return a profit. They too are a sunk cost. The only way a warehouse generates profit or a return on investment is if it is owned by one company and they charge others to store their stuff in it. Then it is generating a return on investment.

If Amazon is renting warehouse space, that is a cost, an expense. That warehouse costs Amazon money to use. It generates no profit for them. It is simply a necessity to do business. The owner of the warehouse charging Amazon is making a return on that investment, not Amazon.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You really don't understand investing and accounting. Battery storage produces nothing. It holds a charge produced elsewhere until it is needed and discharged. It is a sunk cost. There is no return on that investment, it is an expense of doing business....

Do you really understand what you are saying, Terry? What is gasoline except "stored energy". Is a gas tank a "sunk cost" that offers no "return on that investment"? A car in this case?

What about grain silos, Terry? Did investing in storage for grain back in the day help prevent famine? Make the entire year a happier, well-fed existence? Battery storge is part of the issue; being able to efficiently store a lot of energy for a low cost. Currently the problem is both excessive weight and bulk along with cost. Obviously, to rational people, it's better to have a battery that powers a car for 1000 miles for the same size and cost of one that only powers a car for 150 miles?

 

[Into the Night]

how are you going to power them when the state turns your electricity off during brown outs?.....

The State does not turn off electricity because of brown outs. The grid operators do.

 

[Hawkeye10]

The State does not turn off electricity because of brown outs. The grid operators do.

Under direct supervision of the state bureaucrats.

Are you trying to be cute?

 

[Into the Night]

Prices have dropped by 80% in a decade, so why not use $45 per kwh as our predicted value? That being said, there is about to be a jump in production, so manufacturing costs will go down by more... And demand for raw materials will go up... So predictions are tough.

But we can go with $45 per kwh. If we can make a 10% return on that a year, that would be good. If we assume it charges and discharges 200 times in a year, then batteries would add 2.25 cents per kwh produced. That would make solar power much cheaper than coal, even including batteries.

But I am just throwing together numbers. It could go any direction. Which is why it is so important to invest in a battery future.

Solar power is the most expensive method of generating electricity there is, watt for watt. Even a nuclear power plant is much cheaper.

 

[Into the Night]

$45 per kwh, with a 10% return on investment, and being used 200 times a year is 2.25 per kwh.

There is a return on investment, assuming we continue to use electricity (a fairly reasonable assumption). It is not a sunk cost, because there has been very few battery systems bought. Are you sure you know what a sunk cost and return on investment is?

Math errors: Divisional construct error.
There is also no return on investment from batteries.

 

[Into the Night]

Someone spends the money to build a battery storage solution, and then someone spends the money to get electricity stored there, so there is a return on investment for the person who spent the money. Even if that return was only in savings, it would exist.

None. Zero. Nada. Nan.

So we can calculate whether a project is reasonable or not based on that return on investment. This is accounting 101. I really do not know why it is such a problem for you.

You obviously have no clue about accounting or mathematics or electricity generation.

When Amazon rents a warehouse for 10 years, it does not generate, or produce anything. It stores things. That storage has value. There is a return on investment for that storage.

Non. Zero Nada. Nan.

 

[Into the Night]

Do you really understand what you are saying, Terry? What is gasoline except "stored energy". Is a gas tank a "sunk cost" that offers no "return on that investment"? A car in this case?

What about grain silos, Terry? Did investing in storage for grain back in the day help prevent famine? Make the entire year a happier, well-fed existence? Battery storge is part of the issue; being able to efficiently store a lot of energy for a low cost. Currently the problem is both excessive weight and bulk along with cost. Obviously, to rational people, it's better to have a battery that powers a car for 1000 miles for the same size and cost of one that only powers a car for 150 miles?

No return on investment. None. Zero. Nada. Nan.

 

[Into the Night]

Under direct supervision of the state bureaucrats.

Are you trying to be cute?

No. State governments do not control grid operators.

 

[Hawkeye10]

No. State governments do not control grid operators.

You and your fucking word games.

Get Bent.