Mercedes-Benz CEO: We are convinced the future is electric

[Joe Capitalist]

EV sales climb and are on track to be 9% of US new car purchases in 2023: Atlas Public Policy

U.S. sales of hybrid, plug-in hybrid and battery-electric vehicles reached 17.7% of new light-duty vehicle sales in the third quarter, according to the Energy Information Administration.
Published Nov. 28, 2023

U.S. consumers purchasing new light-duty cars or trucks are increasingly considering electric vehicles, which are on pace to make up 9% of sales this year according to data from EV Hub, a tracker run by Atlas Public Policy. EVs, including plug-in hybrids, accounted for 7.3% sales in 2022.
Combined U.S. sales of hybrid, plug-in hybrid and battery-electric vehicles reached 17.7% of new light-duty vehicle sales in the third quarter, according to the Energy Information Administration. Experts say the figure illustrates growing consumer interest in the range of benefits provided by EVs and other efficient vehicles.
Despite a spate of news articles lamenting slower EV uptake, observers say the data may not bear out that narrative as supply chain shortages are alleviated. “I don’t see sales lagging at all,” said Joel Levin, executive director of Plug In America.

 

[Joe Capitalist]

...and who they don't

Ahh, so you're a racist, too. You fit right in to the MAGA crowd. Congrats. Join the party below. Birds of a feather....

 

[Into the Night]

Look, what i know is for almost 100 years ICE vehicle have had the gov't behind them, 'picking winners and losers' by over a hundred years of direct and indirect subsidies and bailouts to Oil and gas and ICE manufacturers.

There are no subsidies for producing gasoline.

And you guys did not GAF about that CONSTANT gov't intervention on behalf of ICE. So your tears now are delicious. NOthing makes me happier than seeing Magats cry crocodile tears when faced with what they supported or cheered on prior.

There is no government intervention on behalf of gasoline.

No one is saying EV's will not use the grid involves fossil fuels.

Fossils aren't used as fuel. Fossils don't burn.

This is about progression OVER TIME, and this pretense that it has to be a wholesale switch (all or none) on day 1 is just stupid Magat thought. PROGRESS is best in increments as the cost can be lowered and absorbed as the technology improves.

Pushing old technology is not progress, Luddite.

think of the early Internet roll out and then broadband after. If they tried to roll it out equally to every rural community it would have been deeply unprofitable and caused bankruptcies.

The internet is not a company.

Thus they focused on big cities first (economies of scale) and as the tech improved and the cost came down they spread out to rural communities.

Who are 'they'?? The internet is not a company.

Similarly EV's and EV networks will rely less and less on Fossil fuel grid supply

There is no 'fossil fuel grid supply'. Fossils aren't used as fuel.

as battery tech improves

Li-ion batteries are the same chemistry as developed in the mid 80's. The number of joules per mole of lithium doesn't change. That's a physical characteristic of lithium (or any material). All that's changed is applying cheaper manufacturing techniques. The only way to get more joules is to build a bigger battery. You MUST use more moles of lithium. There are no magick shortcuts.

and green energy sources continue to both become more numerous and the tech for those improves increasing capture and storage.

Wind and solar are still two energy sources. Both are piddle power. Solar is by far the most expensive method of producing electricity, watt for watt. Wind comes in 2nd. NEITHER produces near enough power to charge mandated EVs.

The problem we have is incredibly stupid Magats like Terry, who continue to argue that if the 'benefits/improvements to tech/lower cost/etc' do not exist TODAY, they will never come', which is defied by pretty much 100% of all prior big tech advancements (PC, INternet, Telephone, TV, ICE vehicles, etc), where the initial rollouts where expensive and only a small percent of the populace could access them and that changed OVER TIME, as tech improved with scale and investment.

Pushing old technology is not 'progress', Luddite. An EV is not the personal computer, the internet, a telephone, a television, or an internal combustion engine. BTW, there have been a LOT of advancements in the internal combustion engine since the mid 80's, but you reject it, Luddite.

Anyone arguing EV and Battery and Green Energy tech will not follow that same path, despite the massive amount of Investments betting they will, has the onus on them to make that 'outlier' argument.

EVs have already failed in the market (again).
Batteries are not a source of energy. TANSTAAFL.
The phrase 'Green Energy tech' is a buzzword.

YOU don't get to dictate what people get to drive.
YOU don't get to dictate what people want to purchase and use for energy.
Blaming the heavy subsidies for EVs and 'green energy' on internal combustion engines and gasoline won't work. Communism that you push won't work.
The mandates are themselves indicative of a market failure. Fascism doesn't work.

NO ONE mandated the use of the internet or the html protocol. NO ONE mandated use of the television, personal computers, the internal combustion engine, or the telephone. Those succeeded ON THE OPEN MARKET.

 

[Nordberg]

Ok. they don't have exhaust. I guess that's one thing that won't rust from the salt coated roads in the winter...

The exhaust system does not have to be periodically replaced either. Money and time saving

 

[Into the Night]

it's just that the chinesese are influencing you to put batteries in the mix because they have monopolized battery raw materials.

you're just a traitor.

It is not treason to be influenced by China.

 

[Into the Night]

B]SIZE=2]Well I drive a Tesla Model Y and it costs me about $45 a month to drive.

Boasting of your subsidy benefits is not a good idea.
You are also ignoring the cost of the Tesla, or it's high maintenance costs, or it's limited range, or the true cost of charging it (not the subsidized cost) or the time you waste charging it.

 

[Into the Night]

Renting Electric: Top Rental Car Companies That Offer EVs

As car buyers have shifted more and more towards prioritizing electric vehicles, car rental companies have followed. With how many cars they put out on the road each year, American car rental companies have a significant impact on the country's carbon footprint, and thankfully, they've realized this, incorporating more and more*electric cars into their fleets as EVs have become more popular.
Whether your life revolves around making the world a better place or simply curious to try out the latest and greatest electric cars the next time you're on a trip and need a rental, you need a starting point. Which of the major car rental agencies have large supplies of electric cars that you can top up using the best public EV charging networks?
Using*J.D. Power 2023 North America Rental Car Satisfaction Study as a guide to determine what a*"top rental car company" entails, let's take a look at which of those top rental agencies are currently loaning out electric vehicles.

Enterprise:
Enterprise introduced electric vehicles to its fleet in 2011 with 500 Nissan*Leafs,*adding the Chevrolet Volt that same year.*"We have a vested interest and a history of working with manufacturers to integrate alternative-powered vehicles into our fleet,"*Lee Broughton,*Enterprise's then-director of sustainability, told UPI in 2010. The company had already been pushing whatever fuel-efficient vehicles were available on the market going back to a 2007 initiative.
"We know that more and more consumers expect the companies that serve them to share their concerns about the environment,"*said Andrew C. Taylor, then-chairman and CEO, in a June 2007 press release.*"For our company and our industry to be successful, we must address those concerns while also working to sustain our business over the long term. To that end, Enterprise is investing in the latest technologies to minimize fuel consumption and related emissions, today and tomorrow."

Hertz:
Like*Enterprise, Hertz started renting electric vehicles in 2011, starting with the Nissan*Leaf. Hertz showed just how serious it was in November 2010 when it announced a partnership with NRG Energy to develop a charging infrastructure for its incoming fleet of EVs. (That came the same week as another partnership, this time with EV manufacturer CODA Automotive.)*
"Hertz is the first to provide consumers with electric vehicle access on a global scalar,"*then chairman and CEO Mark P Frissora said in a December 2010 press release.*"By introducing EVs in New York, Washington, and San Francisco, we're the first to make tomorrow's driving experience available to consumers today and we look forward to continue building out our EV platform, making electric mobility a reality for consumers worldwide."
Hertz added Tesla cars to its inventory starting in late 2013, albeit as part of its high-end lineup. In October 2021, it pledged to order 100,000 more vehicles from Elon Musk's company by the end of 2022. That pledge had a noticeable positive effect on Tesla stock, pushing the EV giant past a $1 trillion market cap.

Avis:
In 2020,*Avis secured*130 million Euros in funding specifically earmarked to bolster its fleet of hybrid and electric cars. Investors reacted positively and boosted Avis's stock price when it pledged to further increase its EV inventory in November 2021.

Making shit up won't help you.

 

[Into the Night]

TOYOTA BOASTS NEW BATTERY TECHNOLOGY WITH 745-MILE RANGE AND 10-MINUTE CHARGING TIME — HERE’S HOW IT MAY IMPACT MASS EV ADOPTION
The potential to significantly reduce pollution could be huge.
by Leo Collis*/*November 25, 2023

https://apple.news/A7QIl2_wkRYukxEsK6Eyd7A

Toyota is gaining confidence in bringing new battery technology to the electric vehicle market that could shake up the whole sector.
The Japanese manufacturer has been working on delivering solid-state EV batteries in future models, which could increase driving range and decrease charging times.
According to Toyota, as Yahoo Finance reported, these batteries could deliver 745 miles on a single charge, while recharging would only take around 10 minutes.
The company has estimated that vehicles boasting solid-state batteries could be available starting in 2027 or 2028.
Such technology could make a real difference in consumer choices, with many unconvinced about switching from dirty-fuel-powered cars to cleaner electric ones because of concerns about driving range.

Toyota is getting out of EVs.

 

[Into the Night]

If? You definitely ARE a MAGA Moron. Are you embarrassed that you still think Trump won the 2020 election? You should be, MAGA moron.

There was no 2020 election. MAGA isn't a person.

 

[Phyllis Diller]

It is not treason to be influenced by China.

shut the fuck up libertarian china sellout.

 

[Into the Night]

If you're in the market for a car, the EV version will usually beat out the ICE vehicle when you take into account the cost of fueling the car, maintenance, repairs, insurance, depreciation and other out-of-pocket expenses over time. For example, it costs $39,547 to own a Tesla Model 3 for five years, vs. $63,075 for the Audi TT, Kelley Blue Book found. In fact, the Tesla Model 3 has the lowest five-year cost-to-own of any luxury car, according to Kelley Blue Book.

An EV "almost always is going to cost less to drive than a gas-powered car," said Keith Barry, a writer and editor covering autos at Consumer Reports.

Crowing about your subsidy benefits is not a good idea.

 

[Into the Night]

Renting an EV for business travel, as i do often, is the best as you do not need to fuel it up, just before returning the car, or pay a penalty fueling premium, if you did not pay up front the higher fee to have them fuel it for you.

The number of times i have been on work travel, heading back to the airport with little time to spare, and realized i still need to find a gas station and fuel up, is very high. With EV's that problem is gone. As is the problem of many big cities not having convenient nearby gas stations to get fuel, so you are constantly driving out of your way when you need it. All hotels charge up your EV for you so you never even have to think about fuel.

You don't get to speak for all hotels. Most do NOT have EV charging stations.

So you like renting EVs. Meh.

 

[Into the Night]

Yup, EVs are clearly better than gas cars. Everyone agrees to that (except the butthurts).

EVs' generally can't tow like gas cars can.
EVs aren't as maintainable as gas cars are.
EVs' have limited range. Gas cars don't.
EVs' use almost twice as much energy to travel the same distance as a gas car.
EVs' are old technology.
EVs' are less maneuverable than gas cars.
EVs' are a lot heavier than gas cars.

And you say EVs' are 'better'.

 

[Into the Night]

It depends on the down payment. DTE in Mich. has a vendor list that agrees to upgrade reasonably cheaply. The car charger comes with the vehicle. The cost of a garage upgrade is not terrible. The EV gets that back quickly.

No, it doesn't. The cost of an EV is higher than a gasoline car, which does not require charging at all.

 

[Into the Night]

The popular electric vehicles

They are not popular. Less than 1% of the cars on the road are EVs.

provide a welcome boost for clean travel.

EVs do not 'save the planet'. They also use about twice as much energy as gasoline cars do to travel the same distance.

They produce no pollution while out on the road, meaning that no planet-harming gases — which contribute to global heating — are created by the cars while out and about.*

What is this 'pollution'?

Electric cars also make a huge difference when it comes to air quality wherever you’re driving.*

What is this 'pollution'?

According to the American Lung Association,

In other words DEMOCRAT propaganda...

gasoline and diesel exhaust fumes contain particulate matter,

Only if the engine is modified to do so or is defective. Soot washes out with the next rain.

volatile organic compounds,

Nope. It's burned.

nitrogen oxides,

So?

and carbon monoxide,

Only if the engine is defective.

which can all lead to respiratory and heart conditions or exacerbate existing health problems.*

You really should read the MSDS on these materials.

 

[Into the Night]

Ok. they don't have exhaust. I guess that's one thing that won't rust from the salt coated roads in the winter...

EVs have an exhaust. They require power plants to charge them. The exhaust is just remote, so they don't have to look at it.
EVs also use about twice the energy of a gasoline car going the same distance. Most of that energy is lost in equipment and power line heating during the charging cycle. It is simply far more efficient to simply burn the gasoline to move the car.

 

[Into the Night]

Do you wet your panties everytime an EV blows by you in traffic, IQ60?

They don't.

 

[Into the Night]

EV sales climb and are on track to be 9% of US new car purchases in 2023: Atlas Public Policy

U.S. sales of hybrid, plug-in hybrid and battery-electric vehicles reached 17.7% of new light-duty vehicle sales in the third quarter, according to the Energy Information Administration.
Published Nov. 28, 2023

U.S. consumers purchasing new light-duty cars or trucks are increasingly considering electric vehicles, which are on pace to make up 9% of sales this year according to data from EV Hub, a tracker run by Atlas Public Policy. EVs, including plug-in hybrids, accounted for 7.3% sales in 2022.
Combined U.S. sales of hybrid, plug-in hybrid and battery-electric vehicles reached 17.7% of new light-duty vehicle sales in the third quarter, according to the Energy Information Administration. Experts say the figure illustrates growing consumer interest in the range of benefits provided by EVs and other efficient vehicles.
Despite a spate of news articles lamenting slower EV uptake, observers say the data may not bear out that narrative as supply chain shortages are alleviated. “I don’t see sales lagging at all,” said Joel Levin, executive director of Plug In America.

A hybrid is not an EV.
EVs have already failed in the market (again), despite the heavy subsidies and mandates.

 

[Into the Night]

Ahh, so you're a racist, too. You fit right in to then MAGA crowd. Congrats. Join the party below. Birds of a feather....

MAGA isn't a person. Bigotry.

 

[Into the Night]

The exhaust system does not have to be periodically replaced either. Money and time saving

I have never had to replace an exhaust system on any car.