Dutch Uncle
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Wipe Satan's jizz out of your eyes, Yak, and reread the posts; no one said the Constitution has been suspended. Only that Trump is advocating doing so.
Are you in favor of ending the Constitutional Republic?
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Dutch Uncle
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A fact all Trump Dick Suckers refuse to admit.
Into the Night
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The word first appeared in the English lexicon in the 1920s, stemming from the Italian 'fascismo', which in turn stems from 'fasces' (same root word is in fascia), meaning 'bundle of sticks'. For a fascia, it joins bundles of sticks (rafters) together into a seamless facing. 'Fasces' itself tends to refer to a mark of supreme power (ruler), used back through Roman times. 'Fascism' is a totalitarian form, used to manipulate markets (and everything else) by government.
Fascism it a form of economy controlled by government (the 'fasces'). It is a form of socialism, where instead of the government outright owning markets, it simply tries to control and manipulate them.
Karl Marx wrote of this form of economy in his books and manifesto, describing it as a stepping stone on the way to communism (or government ownership of markets).
In any of these forms, the story is produced that the 'people' own the property collectively (just a codeword for government control).
Under fascism, businesses are told by the government what they can sell, when they can operate, who they must hire, who they must fire, where they must get their raw materials and supplies from, etc. Any or part of this kind of control of economic activity is fascism. Fascism exists today in every nation, along with communism and capitalism. Slavery, that third form of socialism also exists in most nations today in some form (including the States).
ALL forms of socialism are based on theft of wealth. Capitalism is the ONLY system that creates wealth.
Now...do you want to try to redefine what 'fascism' means again?
Into the Night
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The electors from Florida didn't vote that year because there were NO electors from Florida. The State never chose any. Due to election fraud by Democrats, the vote in Florida faulted, and the legislature never chose any electors. This put to death any chances of Gore winning the Presidency. Gore (the Holy Son of the Church of Global Warming) was effectively put to political death by hanging chad. He's brought back from the dead from time to time to say something stupid.
Almost correct. The coup by Democrats occurred successfully in 2020, effectively destroying the Federal government, converting it into an oligarchy. There was never a democracy in the United States nor in any State, since the United States and each State is organized as republics. There was no election in 2020 since seven States never chose any electors, and others have suspicious 'choices'. In other words, the 2020 election faulted due to election fraud by Democrats. Through violence, fear mongering, and media manipulation, the coup by Democrats was successful, installing Joe Biden as Chief Puppet (controlled by Obama and other leading Democrats).
Now the question remains:
Can a 2024 election even take place that's legitimate? If election fraud by Democrats occurs again, causing that election to fault, the people of this nation will realize in no uncertain terms there is no election system anymore. The only alternative is war to try to restore a republican form of government.
If the election DOES take place and it's legitimate, a Democrat winning the election will only result in 'confirmation' of their totalitarian views and calls for civil war, and the eventual result is that they will get what they asked for (and lose in the process). The same thing will happen if a RINO wins the election (extremely unlikely).
If the election DOES take place and it's legitimate, and Trump wins the election, the Democrats will go ape and start civil war.
In many ways, civil war is ALREADY taking place, just not an open shooting war (yet).
In other words, civil war is inevitable, regardless the outcome of the 2024 election cycle.
What Democrats are seriously underestimating, is the number of people that stand against them, and the sheer anger that is building within them. I travel across the country regularly, I've seen it. These people are the real power in the States, and they are well armed. This against the hoplophobic (fear of guns) Democrats, who are loud (and they own most of the media), but a small number. Sure, they are in power now because of the oligarchy, but this is the People of the United States, and they are exceedingly angry that the United States has been taken over by this coup AND at the people that successfully conducted it.
This is the part that Hawk does NOT see. He doesn't travel nearly enough to see it. He believes the media narrative and believes "it's all over for Western culture". It isn't. Not yet. Not by a long shot. Hawk is wrong, but that is coming from a position of ignorance and believing the media produced BS.
Will civil war occur in the States? Yes. I see no alternative now. I wish it were otherwise, but it is being forced upon us by the Democrats. It will be the first civil war that has ever occurred in the States of America (the so-called 'Civil War' was not a civil war. It was a war between two nations.
This coming war will be largely a city vs country war. Suburbia will largely join the 'country' side. It will be a religious war (the worst kind), since the only supporting moral for fighting such a war by Democrats is their various religions and their hatred of Christianity.
A democracy has no constitution and no representatives. It is government by popular vote. A republic is government by law, or in other words, a constitution. It has both representatives that have their authority and term of service defined by that Constitution, and how such representatives are to be chosen, which may be by popular vote, but that is NOT a democracy. It is a vote being taken in accordance with the procedures outlined in that same constitution. In the United States, the President is not elected by popular vote.
Into the Night
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There is no such thing as a 'fake elector'.
DEMOCRATS CREATED fake ballots. It's recorded on video, dumbass. You cannot make this bit of evidence just disappear.
Into the Night
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The reporters arrested still have that right as well, despite being arrested for saying 'the wrong thing'. Pivot fallacy.
Into the Night
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Trump never advocated any such thing, Sock. You are still hallucinating. You do not get to speak for everyone either.
christiefan915
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In 2017 trump took the oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution..."I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."[SUP][2]
[/SUP]Now he wants to suspend it because he lost the election. That's what a piece of shit he is. If he wins the next election, he shouldn't bother taking the oath since it's empty words to him and he doesn't believe it anyway.
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Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Correct. Since he made war on the US after taking the oath, he's guilty of treason. Anyone on this forum who has taken the oath and participated in the attack on the Capitol is also guilty of treason, IMO.
Article III, Section 3, Clause 1: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artIII-S3-C1-2/ALDE_00013525/
Chief Justice Marshall was careful, however, to state that the Court did not mean that no person could be guilty of this crime who had not appeared in arms against the country. He stated: On the contrary, if war be actually levied, that is, if a body of men be actually assembled for the purpose of effecting by force a treasonable purpose, all those who perform any part, however minute, or however remote from the scene of action, and who are actually leagued in the general conspiracy, are to be considered as traitors.4 But, Chief Justice Marshall emphasized, there must be an actual assembling of men, for the treasonable purpose, to constitute a levying of war.5
QP!
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You have achieved Step 1 and i applaud you.
Recognition can now lead to you to be better.
My problem is a two tiered "justice" system where acts accepted as perfectly legal when engaged in by party members are PROSECUTED by corrupt goons of the democrat Reich as you seek to end democracy by imprisoning the opposition to your filthy dictatorship.
Trump did nothing different than both Algore and JFK did. The issue is that the law is not applied the same to Americans and to democrats.
Again, Algore did nothing wrong - nor did Trump. But you don't care because you seek absolute power for your tyrannical Reich. You've shit all over the Constitution as you seek to end democracy.
Allowing slaves to vote for the handpicked stooges of your party is not democracy.
I don't tell lies.
I'm free to expose your lies on JPP - but not on the government controlled media sites like Fascistbook or the old Twitter. The FBI and NSA censor speech there. JPP is too small to garner the attention of the STASI.
Further, I said nothing of being able to post anonymously on a backwater message board. I pointed out the FACT that over a thousand Americans rot in a DC gulag because they protested against Quid Pro and the fascist democrat Reich.
Phyllis Diller
Was it me?
Phyllis Diller
Was it me?
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fascism is the union of state and corporate power.
many times corporations are actually calling the shots, like war policy by boeing and health policy by pfizer.
we live in fascism.
now spin it, libertarian corporate cocksucker.
He's not hallucinating - he's lying. A Stalinist/Nazi pile of shit like Douche Duck lies about everything. It's what landed him in prison in the first place.
You have never read Mussolini.
He never spoke of corporate power, ever. And no, he never said fascism should be called corporatism - that's a made-up pseudo-quote the Communists spew.
Fascism is the supremacy of the state. It is socialist economically, as the state is supreme in every aspect of life under fascism. Fascism is the religion of the democrats in America today.
Joseph Stalin, the most revered democrat in history - was a perfect example of a fascist. Mao as well. George Soros was a Nazi under Adolf Hitler, and has worked his entire life to recreate the Nazi regime - succeeding under Joe Biden.
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Phyllis Diller
Was it me?
we can call it something else if you want.
its still the main problem, mr word games.
Words have meanings.
This isn't Alice in Wonderland, so I won't tolerate the Humpty Dumpty routine.
First off, Fascism is a sect of socialism. Fascism is collectivist by definition. The idea of raising taxes to increase spending by the central government is a very collectivist idea - entirely consistent with fascism. Bidenomics is fascist by definition.
So WHAT is fascism? To forum Marxists, it's Republicans and anyone who opposes the democrat party.
Fascism is ultimately the supremacy of the state, the concept that ALL power ultimately is the rightful domain of the central, in our case federal, government.
Mussolini was one of Vladimir Lenin's top lieutenants and deeply dedicated to the cause of socialism. But of course he was a megalomaniac and not going to play second fiddle to anyone, Il Deuce was the boss.
Mussolini set out to fix some of the deep flaws of the Bolsheviks. First was the issue of human nature. Human nature, driven by millions of years of evolution is that effort and risk must produce rewards. The Bolsheviks addressed this by corruption, Lenin and later Stalin made corruption a central feature of Communism, because nothing gets accomplished without the promise of reward. Graft is a poor way of managing.
Italy is the birth place of the modern market, Venice the heart of the Renaissance. Also the rise of the Guilds. The Marxists in academia like to lie and claim that Fascism is "corporatist" - whatever the fuck that means. But in reality Mussolini followed the guild structure.
Surprisingly, Wikipedia does a good job of explaining how these guilds under Il Deuce were nothing like a modern corporation.
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A fascist corporation is a government body that brings together federations of workers and employers syndicates belonging to the same profession and branch, to regulate production in a holistic manner. Each trade union would theoretically represent its professional concerns, especially by negotiation of labour contracts and the like. It was theorized that this method could result in harmony amongst social classes.[35]
In Italy from 1922 until 1943, corporatism became influential amongst Italian nationalists led by Benito Mussolini. The Charter of Carnaro gained much popularity as the prototype of a "corporative state", having displayed much within its tenets as a guild system combining the concepts of autonomy and authority in a special synthesis.[36] Alfredo Rocco spoke of a corporative state and declared corporatist ideology in detail. Rocco would later become a member of the Italian fascist regime.[37]
Italian Fascism involved a corporatist political system in which the economy was collectively managed by employers, workers and state officials by formal mechanisms at the national level.[38] Its supporters claimed that corporatism could better recognize or "incorporate" every divergent interest into the state organically, unlike majority-rules democracy which they said could marginalize specific interests. This total consideration was the inspiration for their use of the term "totalitarian", described without coercion (which is connoted in the modern meaning) in the 1932 Doctrine of Fascism as thus:
When brought within the orbit of the State, Fascism recognizes the real needs which gave rise to socialism and trade unionism, giving them due weight in the guild or corporative system in which divergent interests are coordinated and harmonized in the unity of the State.[39]
[The state] is not simply a mechanism which limits the sphere of the supposed liberties of the individual... Neither has the Fascist conception of authority anything in common with that of a police ridden State... Far from crushing the individual, the Fascist State multiplies his energies, just as in a regiment a soldier is not diminished but multiplied by the number of his fellow soldiers.[39]}
[h=3]Corporatism - Wikipedia[/h] en.wikipedia.org
Ultimately the central doctrine of Fascism is supremacy of the state. This is also the central doctrine of the democrat party - that the state is supreme and individuals are irrelevant.
But democrats are not merely fascist, they are Nazis - they have embraced the scapegoat, the racist attack on a group as foundation for their power as they establish the fascist state.