The Car of the Year.............Is Electric. MAGA soils diapers.

[Into the Night]

Consumer Reports found in May that electrifying the entire U.S.*light-duty vehicle fleet by 2050 would require less than 1% growth per year in electricity generation. The report found that if 25% of the entire U.S.*passenger vehicle fleet was electric by 2032, the grid could meet that demand by only experiencing a 6% growth in electricity generation.*[/SIZE][/B]

Blatant lie.

Lindsay Buckley, spokesperson for the California Energy Commission, said last year that EV charging accounted for less than 1% of the grid's total load during peak hours. By 2030, that number is expected to be around 5%, a*“small amount” of added demand.*[/SIZE][/B]

Oh. The same idiot that cut back on California energy to the point that there is insufficient electrical power for California without importing most of it. Those lines are heavily overloaded too. It's only a matter of time before they both trip off line and California is left in total darkness. The WRIC will NOT sacrifice itself to save California.

While highlighting electrification subsidies, the report ignores those subsidies that exist for fossil fuels.

Fossils aren't used as fuel, so no subsidies. There are no subsidies for oil either.

According to an August study by the International Monetary Fund, fossil fuel subsidies surged to a record $7 trillion last year.*

A blatant lie. There are no subsidies for oil or fossils.

The IMF projected that if these existing fossil fuel subsidies were scrapped,

You cannot scrap what doesn't exist.

1.6 million premature deaths could be prevented

Define 'premature death'. What is this to do with scrapping non-existent 'subsidies'?

and the world could get a little closer to achieving its global warming targets.*

There is no such thing.

"If governments removed explicit subsidies and imposed corrective taxes, fuel prices would increase," the IMF wrote.

There are no subsidies for oil. Imposing 'corrective' taxes will only intensify the current economic depression and make driving EVs more expensive as well.

"This would lead firms and households to consider environmental costs when making consumption and investment decisions.

There is no such thing as 'environmental costs'. Buzzword fallacy.

The result would be cutting global carbon-dioxide emissions significantly,

Carbon dioxide is a naturally occurring gas. It is absolutely essential for life on Earth. Why would you want to cut it? The Church of Global Warming? CO2 has NO capability to warm the Earth.

cleaner air,

Carbon dioxide is odorless and colorless.

less lung and heart disease,

Carbon dioxide does not cause lung or heart disease.

and more fiscal space for governments."

No, the federal government is already broke. It cannot tax it's way out of it's own predicament.

 

[Into the Night]

Don't expect the anti-science mob or crazies like Sybil to comprehend a single word of that article.

https://advocacy.consumerreports.org/research/blog-can-the-grid-handle-evs-yes/

I already know you don't comprehend anything, Sock.

 

[Into the Night]

Over 2 million electric cars have been sold in the United States and the market for electric vehicles has grown by an astonishing 19,000% since 2010. In 2021, 310,000 electric vehicles were sold in America[/SIZE][/B]

Nowhere near that much. Also, over 14 million cars were sold in the United States that year. The most popular vehicle is still the Ford F150 truck (gasoline version), which sold 787,372 that year.

Key Insights:

- Over 2 million electric vehicles have been sold in the United States.

Nowhere near that much (2021 figures).

- The market for electric vehicles still doubled in 2021.

Twice nothing is still nothing.

- Running an EV for 200,000 miles could save you $4,380 compared to a gasoline-powered car

.

Nope. Running an EV is MORE EXPENSIVE. You are forgetting all of your heavy subsidies again.

New research from Consumer Reports shows that pure electric vehicles—which have fewer moving parts—need less maintenance,

Nope. Same age of vehicle is about the same maintenance. Maintenance of EVs can only be done at specially equipped shops, making everything an EXPENSIVE dealer repair or maintenance. Maintenance of gasoline cars can be done anywhere with fairly common tools.

and generally cost less to repair than the average gas-powered vehicle.

Blatant lie. Guess why insurance for EVs is so high.

Although many buyers are put off by the higher purchase price of EVs,

DESPITE THE SUBSIDIES.

switching from a traditional gasoline-powered car to an electric one can be a great way to save money over the life of the vehicle:

It is more expensive to run and maintain. You don't save money. You are ignoring the heavy subsidies again.

Lower fueling costs

Nope. Higher subsidies.

(plus reduced emissions)

Again you show your unnatural fear of CO2, a naturally occurring gas that is absolutely essential for life on Earth.

combined with lower maintenance and repair costs

Blatant lies.

can offset the purchase price,

It doesn't.

and even lead to long-term savings,

None. EVs are more expensive to run. You are still ignoring the heavy subsidies.

when compared with a gas-powered car of similar size and with comparable features.[/B][/SIZE]

Gasoline cars don't need subsidies to run.

"It has long been well known that EVs are cheaper to maintain than their gasoline-powered counterparts," says Chris Harto, CR's senior analyst for transportation and energy. "But this is the first time we've had enough hard data from actual EV owners to prove the point." [/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]

Blatant lie.

We Predict's study contributes to a growing body of research confirming that battery-powered vehicles are cheaper to own than ones that run on fossil fuels.

No cars run on fossils. Fossils don't burn.

EVs have fewer moving parts that can go bad and don't need some of the routine maintenance required of conventional cars, like oil changes.

Wow. You save yourself ten minutes of time once every year or so. Whoopie.

 

[Into the Night]

EVs are not 'advancement of techonology'. They are outdated technology.

Too bad you're the only one who believes that.

I'm not. You don't get to speak for everybody. Omniscience fallacy.

The Li-ion battery technology was developed in the mid-80s and hasn't changed. EVs themselves are even older than gasoline cars, being developed first.
They didn't succeed then, and they don't succeed now, for the same reasons.

* It's EXPENSIVE. It is costs much more to purchase, maintain, or 'fuel'. The ONLY reason prices are 'so low' is because of massive subsidies (communism).
* It's inconvenient, requiring hours to recharge for limited range, as opposed to a few minutes to refuel a gasoline car, giving it an effective infinite range.
* It's weak. Most of the weight of the car is in the battery. You gotta haul that thing around all the time. That's lost payload capacity, dumbfuck.
* They are a fire hazard, much more than gasoline is. Li-ion batteries are bad, burning as a class C fire (until the entire battery pack is destroyed) and with the intensity of a firework. Given the same number of EV vs gasoline cars, the EV is a much more significant fire hazard. You keep quoting figures ignoring the number of gasoline cars on the road vs EVs. Less than 1% of the cars on the road are EVs. EV fires can start (and often do) with the EV just sitting there parked on a charger, or even just parked! Gasoline does not burn like a firework (unless it's been especially prepared for that purpose). Unless the tank itself is breached, you can treat it like a class A fire (water will put it out). If the tank is breached, it is treated as a class B fire and foam will put it out. You cannot use foam or water for a class C fire. The preferred extinguisher for a class C fire is CARBON DIOXIDE. Unfortunately, you can't get it to the interior of the battery pack, where the fire is.
* They are heavy, making them less maneuverable and tearing up roads faster. Many parking garages are not built for the extra weight. A few they can handle, but not a whole fleet of them.

No one is swallowing the anti-EV bullshit you type everyday.

You don't get to speak for everybody. Omniscience fallacy.

We'll go by the research from Consumer Reports, Car and Driver, Motor Trend, KB Auto and other reputable sources.

Not reputable sources. False authority fallacy.

Sorry, MAGA moron.

MAGA isn't a person (or a moron).

Nobody believes your bullshit.

The bullshit is YOURS. Inversion fallacy.

It's not true just because you type it on an obscure political forum.

YOUR problem. Inversion fallacy. All you know how to do is mindlessly cut and paste.

Sorry to make you all butthurt, MAGA moron: [/SIZE][/B]

Assumption of victory fallacy. MAGA isn't a person.

 

[Joe Capitalist]

I'm not. You don't get to speak for everybody. Omniscience fallacy.

The Li-ion battery technology was developed in the mid-80s and hasn't changed. EVs themselves are even older than gasoline cars, being developed first.
They didn't succeed then, and they don't succeed now, for the same reasons.

* It's EXPENSIVE. It is costs much more to purchase, maintain, or 'fuel'. The ONLY reason prices are 'so low' is because of massive subsidies (communism).
* It's inconvenient, requiring hours to recharge for limited range, as opposed to a few minutes to refuel a gasoline car, giving it an effective infinite range.
* It's weak. Most of the weight of the car is in the battery. You gotta haul that thing around all the time. That's lost payload capacity, dumbfuck.
* They are a fire hazard, much more than gasoline is. Li-ion batteries are bad, burning as a class C fire (until the entire battery pack is destroyed) and with the intensity of a firework. Given the same number of EV vs gasoline cars, the EV is a much more significant fire hazard. You keep quoting figures ignoring the number of gasoline cars on the road vs EVs. Less than 1% of the cars on the road are EVs. EV fires can start (and often do) with the EV just sitting there parked on a charger, or even just parked! Gasoline does not burn like a firework (unless it's been especially prepared for that purpose). Unless the tank itself is breached, you can treat it like a class A fire (water will put it out). If the tank is breached, it is treated as a class B fire and foam will put it out. You cannot use foam or water for a class C fire. The preferred extinguisher for a class C fire is CARBON DIOXIDE. Unfortunately, you can't get it to the interior of the battery pack, where the fire is.
* They are heavy, making them less maneuverable and tearing up roads faster. Many parking garages are not built for the extra weight. A few they can handle, but not a whole fleet of them.


You don't get to speak for everybody. Omniscience fallacy.

Not reputable sources. False authority fallacy.

MAGA isn't a person (or a moron).

The bullshit is YOURS. Inversion fallacy.

YOUR problem. Inversion fallacy. All you know how to do is mindlessly cut and paste.

Assumption of victory fallacy. MAGA isn't a person.

You can type it as much as you want. It doesn't make it true.

EVs cost less to maintain, costs less to travel and are more fun to drive.

Why does that make you so butthurt?

 

[Into the Night]

You can type it as much as you want. It doesn't make it true.

You are describing yourself. Theories of science that YOU ignore are still theories of science.

EVs cost less to maintain,

Blatant lie.

costs less to travel

Blatant lie.

and are more fun to drive.

Subjective opinion.

Why does that make you so butthurt?

The mandates and the subsidies.

 

[RB 60]

You can type it as much as you want. It doesn't make it true.

EVs cost less to maintain, costs less to travel and are more fun to drive.

Why does that make you so butthurt?

Ain't no EV more fun to drive than my Cobra!

 

[Dachshund]

The Car of the Year Is Electric.

https://apple.news/A-oBx1rvdRQG8v_MTUMeGJQ

Automotive publication MotorTrend named its 2024 car of the year on Thursday. It’s electric.
The 2024 Toyota Prius is the winner of MotorTrend’s golden calipers. “Toyota has fundamentally redefined the essence of a Prius with its new model,” said*MotorTrend*Group head of editorial, Ed Loh, in a news release. ‘In an automotive landscape grappling with a scarcity of affordable EV options, Toyota made the Prius hybrid the right car for this moment and rightfully earned*MotorTrend’s 2024 Car of the Year award in the process.”

i've only got one thing to say to you joe, and that's that i pity you.

You're a young American dude, I figure , so you've never known what it really feels like to open up a big, raw, V8 auto on the open high-way. Despite this, you insist that all Americans should drive an electric car. But an electric car is a "pussy-mobile", a "girlie car" that's got no grunt and no balls - no "shake, rock 'n' roll". For the millions of American guys who love their V8s, they'll have "FUN,FUN,FUN till gubmint takes their T-BIRDS away."


But that's not going to happen, Joe, because the whole policy push to replace gas-powered autos with electric cars has been one, big, giant failure. Americans don't want to be forced into buying EVs, because they are simply not a viable proposition for most people.


Also, there is no Climate Change Crisis, Joe, - the whole thing is a fabricated hoax - pure, 100% BULLSHIT. This is the truth, and it now it is beginning to trump the Green propaganda and go mainstream.


So good luck with your EVs buddy, if you ask me they're modern-day "EDSELS".




Dachshund - the WONDER HOUND

DLM....Dachshund Lives Matter !!

 

[Lionfish]

Over 2 million electric cars have been sold in the United States and the market for electric vehicles has grown by an astonishing 19,000% since 2010. In 2021, 310,000 electric vehicles were sold in America

Key Insights:

- Over 2 million electric vehicles have been sold in the United States.
- The market for electric vehicles still doubled in 2021.
- Running an EV for 200,000 miles could save you $4,380 compared to a gasoline-powered car.

New research from Consumer Reports shows that pure electric vehicles—which have fewer moving parts—need less maintenance, and generally cost less to repair than the average gas-powered vehicle. Although many buyers are put off by the higher purchase price of EVs, switching from a traditional gasoline-powered car to an electric one can be a great way to save money over the life of the vehicle: Lower fueling costs (plus reduced emissions) combined with lower maintenance and repair costs can offset the purchase price, and even lead to long-term savings, when compared with a gas-powered car of similar size and with comparable features.

"It has long been well known that EVs are cheaper to maintain than their gasoline-powered counterparts," says Chris Harto, CR's senior analyst for transportation and energy. "But this is the first time we've had enough hard data from actual EV owners to prove the point."

We Predict's study contributes to a growing body of research confirming that battery-powered vehicles are cheaper to own than ones that run on fossil fuels. EVs have fewer moving parts that can go bad and don't need some of the routine maintenance required of conventional cars, like oil changes.

The Biden Administration’s Electric Vehicle Subsidies Are Becoming Another Solyndra

Proterra, an electric bus and battery company that President Joe Biden touted as a success of his green energy initiative, filed for bankruptcy in August. Last week, it finally sold its embattled battery business at a rock-bottom price as part of the bankruptcy proceeding. The rise and fall of Proterra demonstrates once again that politicians should refrain from betting taxpayers’ money on business ventures to advance their political agenda.

According to the Wall Street Journal, Proterra has sold only 550 electric transit buses since its founding in 2004. Most of the sales were underwritten by government agencies with federal grants. Proterra’s electric buses were plagued with mechanical defects and other performance issues, such as limited range and long charging times. Besides government subsidies, the company only survived as long as it had due to powerful political connections. Former Michigan governor Jennifer Granholm, Biden’s energy secretary, served on its board.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

i've only got one thing to say to you joe, and that's that i pity you.

You're a young American dude, I figure , so you've never known what it really feels like to open up a big, raw, V8 auto on the open high-way. No, you'd rather drive an electric car, which is a "pussy-mobile", a "girlie car" that's got no grunt and no balls - no "shake, rock 'n' roll".

Suit yourself.

BTW: There is no Climate Change Crisis, Joe, - the whole thing is pure, 100% BULLSHIT.




Dachshund - the WONDER HOUND

DLM....Dachshund Lives Matter !!

^^^
Down Under Dumbass thinks the Road Warrior movies are real.

 

[RB 60]

i've only got one thing to say to you joe, and that's that i pity you.

You're a young American dude, I figure , so you've never known what it really feels like to open up a big, raw, V8 auto on the open high-way. No, you'd rather drive an electric car, which is a "pussy-mobile", a "girlie car" that's got no grunt and no balls - no "shake, rock 'n' roll".

Suit yourself.

BTW: There is no Climate Change Crisis, Joe, - the whole thing is a fabricated hoax - pure, 100% BULLSHIT.




Dachshund - the WONDER HOUND

DLM....Dachshund Lives Matter !!

While I'll agree EV's have no "shake, rock 'n' roll," they do have balls. Electric motors have instant torque. I'll keep the "shake, rock 'n' roll," myself.

 

[Joe Capitalist]

Ain't no EV more fun to drive than my Cobra!

Have you ever driven an EV?

 

[Joe Capitalist]

i've only got one thing to say to you joe, and that's that i pity you.

You're a young American dude, I figure , so you've never known what it really feels like to open up a big, raw, V8 auto on the open high-way. Despite this, you insist that all Americans should drive an electric car. But an electric car is a "pussy-mobile", a "girlie car" that's got no grunt and no balls - no "shake, rock 'n' roll". For the millions of American guys who love their V8s, they'll have "FUN,FUN,FUN till gubmint takes their T-BIRDS away."


But that's not going to happen, Joe, because the whole policy push to replace gas-powered autos with electric cars has been one, big, giant failure. Americans don't want to be forced into buying EVs, because they are simply not a viable proposition for most people.


Also, there is no Climate Change Crisis, Joe, - the whole thing is a fabricated hoax - pure, 100% BULLSHIT. This is the truth, and it now it is beginning to trump the Green propaganda and go mainstream.


So good luck with your EVs buddy, if you ask me they're modern-day "EDSELS".

Dachshund - the WONDER HOUND

DLM....Dachshund Lives Matter !!

You've got so many things wrong, I don't know where to start. So I won't. You're obviously sucked into the far right anti-EV propaganda so there's no reasoning with you.
You claim falsely that I insist that all Americans should drive an electric car. Your post is riddled with false assumptions and inconsistencies. You can wish all you want for EVs to fail but that aint gonna happen even with you and the other MAGA morons spreading your EV bullshit.
The EVs are here to stay and there's not a fucking thing you can do about it.
So deal with it and stop soiling your diapers.

 

[Nordberg]

Ain't no EV more fun to drive than my Cobra!

You do not understand that an incident does not prove the whole. Evs are instant power and are very quick. Not one, but all of them. They merge very well and accelerate into traffic quickly. Yes, they are also slower than a funny car.

 

[Lionfish]

You do not understand that an incident does not prove the whole. Evs are instant power and are very quick. Not one, but all of them. They merge very well and accelerate into traffic quickly. Yes, they are also slower than a funny car.

Any you nordy do not understand the thrill of a high powered ICE engine. Enjoy your EV. We are happy for you.

 

[Lionfish]

 

[Damocles]

*Snerk* and "MAGA" does what? Does anyone really care that much about what choice some magazine calls the "car of the year"? M'eh... I'm bored.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

*Snerk* and "MAGA" does what? Does anyone really care that much about what choice some magazine calls the "car of the year"? M'eh... I'm bored.

You have the power to kill the thread and ban everyone you dislike, Damo. No one else here has that power.

"It's good to be the king!"

 

[Nordberg]

Any you nordy do not understand the thrill of a high powered ICE engine. Enjoy your EV. We are happy for you.

It is no thrill. I used to drive a Jaguar XKE. It was quite fast. Now I am into safety and pollution. I care about the future. I am way past childish thrills on the streets. I grew up.

 

[Lionfish]

It is no thrill. I used to drive a Jaguar XKE. It was quite fast. Now I am into safety and pollution. I care about the future. I am way past childish thrills on the streets. I grew up.

Understand, there are many of us who aren't concerned about your fears, so let us do our thing. As for you growing up......To grow old is mandatory, growing up is optional.