Why scott brown will win

Atheistmark said:
America can pay for its own.

I don't want to leave the poor blacks in the delta at the mercy of conservative white Republicans.



The European Union isn't a country.
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that is our difference of opinion then. I don't think Massachusetts residents should pay for the Mississippi delta's welfare.
 
Topspin said:
38 yr old retard who steals from old ladies.
400,000 is not out of line for specialist. I was recounting a personal case of my mom's. Saying good moring for $250 might be cool with you. Most people would dissagree.
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Wow... such a sound argument on your behalf. A poor attempt to mock my industry, followed by an exaggerated personal story.

Side note toppy... a 'specialist' goes into even more additional training within that specialty.... and AGAIN... $400k for a specialist is NOT that much. Especially considering most specialties that pay that much also have much higher malpractice premiums.

You can continue to stomp around and act like a child if you wish, but that does nothing to justify your assertion. Nothing toppy.
 
Chapdog said:
that is our difference of opinion then. I don't think Massachusetts residents should pay for the Mississippi delta's welfare.
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Or for Oklahoma's (which is an obese state) or anyone's. We (Oklahoma) have a good program in place that helps the poor. No one is denied care in life-threatening situations. We can improve on that...and other states can improve on what they have or create something if needed. But this "blanket, one size fits all" plan is bogus, IMO....and in the opinion of most Americans, or so it seems.
 
Superfreak said:
Wow... such a sound argument on your behalf. A poor attempt to mock my industry, followed by an exaggerated personal story.

Side note toppy... a 'specialist' goes into even more additional training within that specialty.... and AGAIN... $400k for a specialist is NOT that much. Especially considering most specialties that pay that much also have much higher malpractice premiums.

You can continue to stomp around and act like a child if you wish, but that does nothing to justify your assertion. Nothing toppy.
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freak, you start the name calling and you whine like a little bitch when I bring it back. It's my opinion admitedly not shared by most. But most don't run the numbers.
 
Dr's fees are only 20% of healthcare costs. That being said, here is a 2006 report on median incomes which in my opinion is a better indicator than averages because averages can be manipulated so much more.

Doctors' incomes published
By dwenner
August 28, 2007, 4:36PM
Primary-care doctors in the United States had median incomes of $171,519 in 2006, while specialists earned $322,259, according to an annual report from the Medical Group Management Association.

Still, those figures represented increases of 2 percent or less from 2005. That means physicians' incomes didn't keep pace with the 3.2 percent inflation rate, the Colorado-based MGMA noted.

Noting that declining reimbursements are holding down incomes, the MGMA predicted patients will notice their physicians trying to squeeze in more patients in an effort to catch up.

Median income reflects the midway point between the lowest and highest income in a given specialty. MGMA says the survey reflects data submitted voluntarily by 50,000 health care providers from across the United States.

Here are some of the results:

Family doctors who don't deliver babies earned a median income of $164,021, up 2.05 percent from 2005 and 9.15 percent from 2002.

Pediatricians earned $174,209, up 4.21 percent from 2005 and 14.09 percent from 2002.

Cardiologists who perform invasive procedures earned $457,563, down 1.34 percent from 2005 but up 18.85 percent from 2002.

General surgeons earned $306,115, up 1.77 percent from 2005 and 19.94 percent from 2002.

Nurse practitioners earned $73,480, up 4.51 percent from 2005 and 14.62 from 2002.

More survey results are available at www.mgma.com.
 
I have no problem whatsoever with any of the monetary figures in Soc's post, or with the new Charlize pic.

You have to go through a lot to become a doctor, and it's one field where I'm sure most can agree we want the best & most highly trained people. None of those salaries are exhorbitant, considering...
 
I like soc figures too, 2% from 2006 to 2009 puts them well over the $171,00 and $322,000 which in my opinion is way too high.

Open up medical school to more students price comes down.
 
Topspin said:
freak, you start the name calling and you whine like a little bitch when I bring it back. It's my opinion admitedly not shared by most. But most don't run the numbers.
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YOU obviously are not 'running the numbers' either. You have absolutely NO clue when it comes to their incomes. You simply keep tossing out arbitrary numbers. You have shown NOTHING to support your claim that doctors salaries are a big component of rising health care costs.

Look at Soc's post. Their incomes didn't even keep up with inflation let alone the insane rate of growth in health care expenses.
 
I have a better idea, lets subsidize medical education so that Docs don't enter the medical world with 150k in debt?

Also SF I still have yet to see any data that shows a decrease in costs in Texas since tort reform. Matter of fact I have yet to see a report that does not say that cost are up 25% at least since tort reform in Texas. My gut tells me ambulance chasers are part of the problem, but the figures have yet to bear that out.
 
leaningright said:
Or for Oklahoma's (which is an obese state) or anyone's. We (Oklahoma) have a good program in place that helps the poor. No one is denied care in life-threatening situations. We can improve on that...and other states can improve on what they have or create something if needed. But this "blanket, one size fits all" plan is bogus, IMO....and in the opinion of most Americans, or so it seems.
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And where does your regionalist logic stop? Why by states? Why not counties? Towns? The individual?

It is natural that the states with the most poor people who need care the most have the least money to provide for it. Going state by state doesn't make sense.

This is one country. If you'll notice, the articles of confederation was replaced for a reason.
 
Topspin said:
I like soc figures too, 2% from 2006 to 2009 puts them well over the $171,00 and $322,000 which in my opinion is way too high.

Open up medical school to more students price comes down.
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The fact that healthcare costs are rising exponentially, while doctors salaries aren't even keeping pace with inflation, pretty much confirms that doctors salaries are not part of the problem...
 
I don't think so either, Lorax. The salaries aren't that high to me considering what they have to go through to get there and how they have to preform to stay there. Just think if a heart doctor had a record for doing his job as well as....say, Rick Wagoner or some top exec of some financing company that went belly up and they still get a huge amount of money. I don't begrudge a doctor one bit for what they "earn."
 
Onceler said:
The fact that healthcare costs are rising exponentially, while doctors salaries aren't even keeping pace with inflation, pretty much confirms that doctors salaries are not part of the problem...
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Doctors salaries are already bloated and the system can't sustain 7% annual
 
I agree with state subsidised Medical School, double the number of doctors and median salaries will trend down to a reasonable level.
 
leaningright said:
I don't think so either, Lorax. The salaries aren't that high to me considering what they have to go through to get there and how they have to preform to stay there. Just think if a heart doctor had a record for doing his job as well as....say, Rick Wagoner or some top exec of some financing company that went belly up and they still get a huge amount of money. I don't begrudge a doctor one bit for what they "earn."
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Agreed. On one hand, I know what tops means by some appointments where hardly anything is done get charged at full rate, & that kind of thing.

But when I think about some of the other egregious salary discrepancies out there in America, what they make seems like nothing. You pretty much give up your 20's to become a doctor, and obviously, some of them literally have your life in their hands. Low to mid-6 figures seems reasonable.

Sorry about your 'Boys, btw....
 
Topspin said:
I agree with state subsidised Medical School, double the number of doctors and median salaries will trend down to a reasonable level.
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Do you really think that we have that many people who can make it through medical school and become qualified, competent doctors in this country who are denied access.
 
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leaningright said:
Do you really think that we have that many people who can make it through medical school and become qualified, competent doctors in this country who are denied access.
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I know for fact we had a kid on the LSU wrestling team with a 3.88 gpa in pre med with a rich doctor dad and he couldn't get in. It took him two years after graduating to get in. Yes there are more than enough qualified students.
 
Socrtease said:
I have a better idea, lets subsidize medical education so that Docs don't enter the medical world with 150k in debt?

Also SF I still have yet to see any data that shows a decrease in costs in Texas since tort reform. Matter of fact I have yet to see a report that does not say that cost are up 25% at least since tort reform in Texas. My gut tells me ambulance chasers are part of the problem, but the figures have yet to bear that out.
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I will try to find the report. It shows that they took the saving from tort reform and pumped it into covering the costs of care for the uninsured. It also states that the tort reform has not had as much of an effect on defensive medicine practices as they want. A point they want to address with the major medical groups in TX.

I am pretty sure it is in this report... though I would have to re-read to make sure this is the one....

http://tlrfoundation.com/beta/files/Texas_Tort_Reform_Report_2008.pdf
 
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