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Every trumper is a N4T.
Nikki Haley is a typical, stupid, narrow-minded, right-wing bitch.
Let's all pray she never sets foot in the WH even as a visitor.
I'd vote for Haley over Biden
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Nikki Haley is a typical, stupid, narrow-minded, right-wing bitch.
Let's all pray she never sets foot in the WH even as a visitor.
BartenderElite
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Damocles is a sincere libertarian. I don't think he's a Trumper, at all.
But most on the right here are. A few say they're not - but they won't vote for anyone else. It is such a textbook cult.
BidenPresident
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Nonetheless, mainstream GOP never condemned Trump for the Jan. 6 attack.
BartenderElite
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Mainstream GOP is the cult now. Most of the moderates and independent thinkers have been pushed out and called RINO's.
The crazies run that party now. To me, Haley at least talks a moderate/centrist game. She admits her own beliefs are more hardcore conservative (i.e. abortion), but has a more practical approach to governing by consensus and not rejecting ideas she doesn't agree with.
She's a normal person. I'll take that all day these days.
ExpressLane
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She isn't corrupt like Biden is.
CAUGHT!
Port Tack
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This is the truth. It is why you will no longer see politicians or presidents with high favorability numbers. 50% is about as high as you get because if you are a republican you just automatically say the democrat sucks and vica versa. When they say Biden has poor favorability it's because 80% of democrats may say they like him while the other 20% will say they don't particularly like him but they will vote for him anyway. 100% of republicans say they don't like him, that results in a 50% favorability rating. It is to the point where if you carry independents you will win.
Port Tack
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I don't vote in primaries because I am not registered in any party and never have been. When it comes to the general election I typically don't vote "for" anyone, I vote against one of the candidates by voting for the least undesirable one. Never for the 3rd party, I've got better things to do with my time than waste it accomplishing nothing. How someone could not vote against a guy who professes he is going to put the military on the streets and persecute his opponents just like a dictator I don't understand. If it were possible that Haley was running against Trump in a general election I would vote against Trump by casting my ballot for Haley.
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Port Tack
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Typical ignorant rightwing jackass. You don't have a single piece of evidence that Biden has ever been corrupt but it's the mantra shitheads like you swallow because, like I said recently, you are a republican so all democrats are automatically corrupt even when they aren't.
Yakuda
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What gets me is you actually seem to be suggesting that the country is presently united. LMFAO Ive asked you idiots this question a 1000 times but never get an answer. Tell me what would compel to vote for someone that clearly doesn't give a shit about me as a conservative? If America is divided it happened long before trump came along.
PostmodernProphet
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lol......good one.....
The truth isn’t in BP.
He lies daily, hourly, just like the ambulance chaser.
He failed to prevent it but he certainly disrupted it and so far not only has escaped prison but conned half the country into believing him the more important of the two. Disgusting and shameful but there it is.
Biden is a quiet leader. He’s done much for which so far he’s received no credit. Last time he won without a record to run on. Very different this time as the country will soon be reminded.
cawacko
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I'm late to this thread but my first thought in seeing this was "dammit, now Haley has no chance". That's a cynical way of saying once the other party starts trying to dictate who the nominee should be the party of that nominee will reject them. (This isn't really apples to apples but reminds me of the Trump supporters who said the Democrats should nominate Tulsi Gabbard.)
At the end of the day Haley is still a Republican and come election day Democrats aren't going to vote for a Republican over a Democrat. But yes, I do agree that Haley is the best candidate running right now.
cawacko
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Running on a record can be a blessing and a curse (to be clear Biden is in NO danger of losing California, but it speaks to the current feelings towards him)
New poll shows Joe Biden's approval ratings are tanking in California, too
President Joe Biden’s disapproval rating in California is above 50% for the first time in his presidency, according to a new Berkeley Institute of Government Studies poll.
The poll among statewide registered voters, released Wednesday, shows that 52% of respondents surveyed late last month disapprove of Biden’s job performance, compared with 44% who approve. In April of 2021, shortly after Biden assumed office, those figures were 34% disapproval and 62% approval. Biden’s approval rating has dropped 13 points since February of this year, according to Berkeley IGS polling. The San Francisco Bay Area is the only California region to give Biden relatively high marks (56% approval, 40% disapproval).
The Berkeley IGS findings come amid broader concerns about Biden’s reelection chances in next year’s general election. A New York Times and Siena College poll released earlier this week sent shockwaves with its findings that former President Donald Trump, the frontrunner for the GOP nomination for president, is polling ahead of Biden in five of the six battleground states deemed most important to locking up the presidency in 2024. The poll found that Trump was leading Biden by a whopping 10 percentage points in Nevada, and by 6 points in Georgia.
The Berkeley IGS poll shows that Biden’s growing disapproval ratings are reflected in a hypothetical rematch against Trump in the solidly blue state of California. In the 2020 election, Biden finished ahead of Trump in California by a healthy 30-point margin (64.5% to 34.3%). But if an election were held today, the poll suggests, Biden’s 2020 margin over Trump would be sliced in half (46% to 31%).
Biden is hemorrhaging support among young voters, according to the poll. His disapproval rating among respondents aged 18-29 grew by 14 percentage points from May 2023 to October 2023, and has now reached 58%. Just 34% of respondents in that age group approve of Biden’s performance, which is the lowest approval rating of any age group in the state (the remaining 8% of respondents aged 18-29 expressed no opinion).
Meanwhile, Biden’s approval rating actually improved among some older age groups; he saw a 4-point jump in approval (56% to 60%) during the same time span among voters 65 and older.
California respondents gave Biden poor marks on inflation (31% approval) and crime (32% approval), and he didn’t score much better on international issues. Only 34% approve of Biden’s approach to China, and 35% said they approve of Biden’s position on the ongoing war between Hamas and Israel.
Californians are likely to protest Biden’s handling of the conflict next week when he arrives in San Francisco to attend the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC). Biden is scheduled to arrive Tuesday.
https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/joe-biden-approval-falls-in-california-new-poll-18483470.php
cawacko
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One more for you (this isn't saying he will lose the black vote to his opponent but the black vote has always been a large part of the Democratic base and a poor turnout would have a material effect - of course this is a snapshot in time and the black turnout could be huge on election day, but as of today...)
Biden Is Losing Black Voters. Here’s Why It Matters.
Concerns about the economy are driving away minorities who’ve long supported Democrats
When Michelle Smith voted for President Biden in 2020, she thought he would help people like her, a Black mother working two jobs and raising three teenage boys in North Philadelphia. Now she says she won’t vote for him again, citing higher prices, skyrocketing rent and a feeling she has been left behind.
“I really did think he was going to help people in my situation,” said Smith, 46 years old, who earns $12.50 an hour working as a home health aide and makes Instacart deliveries for extra money. “It’s like all of them talk a good game until they get elected.”
Heading into 2024, Democrats are sounding alarms about losing voters like Smith. Black voter turnout fell during the 2022 midterm elections compared with the previous midterms, and polling and interviews with voters show growing dissatisfaction over the economy and Biden’s leadership. Any decline with these voters could be fatal for the re-election of Biden, whose path to victory depends on building a diverse coalition of voters in six or so closely fought battleground states.
Wage gains have cooled more dramatically for Black workers than other Americans. Median weekly earnings for Black workers employed full time rose 4.2% in the third quarter from a year earlier, versus a 10.3% gain the prior year. Overall wages rose 4.5% last quarter, down from a 6.9% increase in the third quarter of 2022.
Party leaders are chiefly concerned about diminished Black voter turnout, but are also worried that some of these voters will instead back Republicans, including former President Donald Trump, who is the front-runner for the GOP presidential nomination. Hoping to prevent a drop-off, Democrats are pumping money into voter canvassing, education and advertising in battleground states.
Smith said it may be too late to convince her. “I think I’m not going to vote, period,” she said.
Black voters have long been a pillar of the Democratic Party, particularly in the 58 years following the passage of the Voting Rights Act, which banned racial discrimination at the ballot box. In 2020, they helped lift Biden to the nomination and overwhelmingly backed him over Trump, 92% to 8%.
But recent polling from the New York Times and Siena College showed that in a hypothetical matchup between Biden and Trump, 22% of Black voters would support Trump. One-quarter said they were only somewhat likely or not likely to vote.
“The risk is that people stay home,” said Alicia Garza, an activist and founder of Black Futures Lab, a group focused on engaging Black communities politically. “I think the problem is Black voters are consistently underinvested in.”
The unemployment rate for Black workers touched a record-low 4.7% in April. The rate rose to 5.8% in October, outpacing the increase for Americans overall.
Privately some battleground state Democrats are blunt about their concerns over turnout among Black voters. “I am absolutely concerned. Frankly I am extremely concerned,” said one elected Democrat. “This is a huge problem.”
Democratic National Committee officials say they started investing in Black and Latino communities in battleground states in spring 2021, including voter registration, outreach and advertising.
The DNC and the Biden campaign have made ad buys in cities with large Black populations, including $25 million the campaign spent in August on television advertising in areas such as Phoenix, Atlanta, Detroit, Milwaukee and Philadelphia. Recently, the Biden campaign and the DNC launched a pilot organizing program focused on targeted outreach to certain groups, including voters in predominantly Black neighborhoods in Milwaukee.
“This is earlier investment into these communities than [has] ever been done before,” said Biden’s deputy campaign manager Quentin Fulks, who managed Sen. Raphael Warnock’s 2022 re-election campaign. He also stressed the campaign was focused on persuading Black voters to choose Biden, not just getting them to turn out to vote.
Vice President Kamala Harris, the first Black vice president and first of Indian descent, is also reaching out to Black audiences, visiting historically Black colleges and gatherings of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People and Alpha Kappa Alpha, a historically Black sorority. She also has been a leading advocate for abortion access, a powerful motivator for Democrats in midterm and special elections.
Harris was in South Carolina on Friday to formally submit Biden’s paperwork for the primary.
Trump pursued Black voters in 2020 and exit polls suggest he made some inroads with Black men. The NYT/Siena poll showed an overwhelming 80% of Black voters saying the current economic conditions were fair or poor.
Trump adviser Jason Miller said that outreach to the Black community was a priority. He cited Trump’s support of bipartisan legislation to overhaul criminal justice laws and the strong pre-Covid economy during his presidency as selling points for these voters. Longtime Trump adviser Bruce LeVell, who headed a diversity council for Trump’s 2016 campaign, said Trump can pitch voters on his efforts to cut taxes and an opportunity-zone program for tax-favored investments in low-income areas.
Camilla Moore, chairman of the Georgia Black Republican Council, part of the Georgia Republican Party, said that inflation, including the price of groceries, is hitting hard in the Black community, giving Trump an opening with Democratic voters. “I’m telling you what I’m hearing on the ground. They are just so frustrated and they’ll say: What do I have to lose?” she said.
Some Black Americans have faced higher inflation than the national average, likely because they spend a greater share of their income on items like transportation and housing that have seen especially steep price increases, according to research last year from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.
Mahamadou Diallo, 60, of southwest Philadelphia is a Democrat who voted for Biden in 2020 but says he would vote for Trump in another Biden-Trump contest. “He’s a weak man. He’s an old man,” he said of Biden. “He didn’t change anything.”
Democrats note that Trump was accused of repeatedly inflaming racial divisions as president. Following a violent clash between white nationalists and counterprotesters in Charlottesville, Va., in 2017, he declared there was blame and “very fine people, on both sides.” He fought with minority lawmakers and insulted four progressive congresswomen of color. He opposed the removal of Confederate statues.
The sagging support for Biden could also present an opportunity for third-party candidates including academic Cornel West, who is running as an independent and could be a spoiler for Democrats in a close contest. West, who is Black, has criticized Biden and accused him of overlooking the needs of poor and working people.
Since taking office, Biden has appointed Black judges, including Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, and has pursued economic policies to increase job creation. He has also tried to cancel student loan debt, which weighs particularly heavily on minority borrowers, though his main plan was blocked by the Supreme Court. His efforts to pass a policing overhaul and voting legislation were stymied in Congress.
“This administration has to be much more aggressive about telling what they did accomplish but also the unfinished business yet to be done,” said Melanie Campbell, president of the nonpartisan National Coalition on Black Civic Participation.
Satori Shakoor, 67, of Detroit, who works as a performer and storyteller, said that in 2020 she voted for Biden because she opposed Trump and that she would do it again. She said she liked Biden’s efforts to tackle student debt and that he met with striking auto workers, but said Biden’s team needs to sell his accomplishments better.
“They don’t know how to tell a good story,” she said. “He’s been shaped as old and doddering.”
Mandela Barnes, former lieutenant governor of Wisconsin, is familiar with the razor-thin margins of battleground states. He lost a bid for Senate last year by just under 27,000 votes to incumbent Republican Sen. Ron Johnson. One likely factor in his defeat was lower turnout in heavily Black Milwaukee, where about 36,000 fewer people voted than in the previous midterm election.
Barnes, who stresses he was also outspent in the race, is now leading Power to the Polls Wisconsin, a voter turnout group focused on organizing in diverse communities. “The organizing work starts now,” he said. “At the end of the day, it’s our responsibility to give people a reason to show up.”
Some Democrats are trying to figure out the root of Black voters’ drift from the party and voting in general. Longtime Pennsylvania state Sen. Vincent Hughes, whose district includes parts of West Philadelphia, has started a canvassing effort through his political office, targeting 25,000 low turnout voters to determine why they don’t participate.
“There’s this decline in participation that may be rooted in a whole lot of different things,” he said. “People feel crummy just in general, not just with voting. Part of my responsibility is to be more encouraging to the folks that feel like the glass is half empty, when in many respects, the glass is half full.”
Hughes said that instead of pressing voters to back certain candidates, he is trying to understand what ails them and asking a key question: “What is it that would make you vote?”
https://www.wsj.com/politics/electi...n-2024-69ae78b0?mod=Searchresults_pos1&page=1
BartenderElite
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Reagan Democrats say, 'hold my beer'.....
cawacko
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While very true, that was quite awhile ago and in a seemingly different world. The idea of someone winning over 45 states today is almost unfathomable. (not to say there can't be individuals who cross their party line but I'm suggesting they would be very small in numbers.)
Nomad
Every trumper is a N4T.
Biden is not corrupt.
Haley is just another right-wing tool.
You live in a fantasy world.
BartenderElite
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Circumstances are somewhat similar, imo. Biden is not popular - and just like the '70s, inflation is still a big problem.
The polls consistently show Haley doing better against Biden than Trump against Biden. In the ones I've seen, Trump is up by a point or 2. Haley is up by 4 or 5.
Trump would only win a base election. At minimum, Haley would attract a lot of independents. And I think some Democrats too. As I said in the OP - if the GOP wants the WH back, Haley is a no brainer.