Climate deniers are sweating their @sses off

If you're going to claim to have better knowledge of mathematics and laws of physics, than all the scientists studying climate change/global temperatures, I'm gonna need more than "because I said so".

Try again...

You don't get to speak for all scientists. You only get to speak for you. Omniscience fallacy.

I have better knowledge of physics and mathematics than YOU do, that's for sure.

Climate cannot change.
It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth.
There is no such thing as a global climate.

I have already shown you the laws of physics that you choose to ignore several times. You just want to continue to ignore them.
I have already shown you the math that you choose to ignore several times. You just want to continue to ignore them.

I didn't create these theories or the mathematics. They do exist, however, and you just denying them isn't going to work, no matter how many people you claim to speak for.
 
It is not possible to measure the global atmospheric content of CO2. Ice cores do not measure CO2. Ice is permeable to CO2.
There is no 'stomata' record. Fossils are not stomata. Quoting random numbers from websites does not make them anything but random numbers.

No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You cannot create energy out of nothing.

It is possible to scienctifally estimate those values.

Stomata can be preserved by impressions in the fossil record.

Radiometric dating can be used to estimate age on a scale of billions of years, not just
recent decades.


The omnidirectionality of Radian Heat does not violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics.



"Contrary to the prevailing notion of CO2 stability, CO2 swings of 20-50 ppm or more over timespans of 500-1000 years appear to be the norm-- not the exception.

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Figure 5. Illustrated here are results from recent stomata studies which show that CO2 was more variable and the average CO2 concentrations have been significantly higher during our Holocene interglacial period (last 11,000 years) than are indicated by the ice core record. A precipitous drop in CO2 during the "Younger Dryas" was captured nicely by the stomata record, but missed by the CO2 record in ice cores. "

https://geocraft.com/WVFossils/stomata.html

For those who missed plant biology, Stomata are the "breathing" holes in leaves (which includes pine needles).

And "Air Flask" sampling started in 1957.

Milankovitch Cycles have failed to predict glaciation and interglacial periods for the last 2 million years.


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It is possible to scienctifally estimate those values.
You are babbling. Science doesn't estimate anything. You are using the adverb "scientifically" merely to demand religious reverence where it is not necessarily warranted. When discussing estimates, one must necessarily speak to the accuracy thereof. I notice that you did not make any mention of accuracy, nor of any target margins of error. Your omission is either due to your mathematical incompetence, or it is due to your complete awareness that no estimates of such can be made to any usable accuracy ... and you aren't honest enough to admit it.

Stomata can be preserved by impressions in the fossil record.
Nope. Only the impressions of stomata are preserved in the fossil record. The stomata themselves are not preserved.

Radiometric dating can be used to estimate age on a scale of billions of years, not just recent decades.
... but you can't even come close to connecting the dots between any time frame and the earth's quantity of atmospheric CO2 at any moment in time. The reason is that not only can that quantity not be measured today, it never was able to be measured.

The omnidirectionality of Radian Heat does not violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
My peanut butter chicken recipe does not violate the 2nd LoT either. It's a local favorite.

Contrary to the prevailing notion of CO2 stability, CO2 swings of 20-50 ppm or more over timespans of 500-1000 years appear to be the norm -- not the exception.

This is not known. Your statement is an omniscience fallacy.

Figure 5. Illustrated here are results from recent stomata studies which show that CO2 was more variable and the average CO2 concentrations have been significantly higher during our Holocene interglacial period (last 11,000 years) than are indicated by the ice core record.
Omniscience fallacy. This needs to be stated as the wild speculation that it is. No direct CO2 measurements were taken in the distant past. There is no rational basis for believing any of this.

A precipitous drop in CO2 during the "Younger Dryas" was captured nicely by the stomata record,
There is no such thing as a "stomata record" that captures anything beyond information about the stomata.

... but missed by the CO2 record in ice cores."
Ice cores are not a CO2 record. They are rough estimates of a precipitation record for that one geographic area, with heavy limitations.
 
RQAA.
Mathematics doesn't need a link. You just want to deny it again.

Your opinion of how mathematics applies, or doesn't apply, in this situation does need a link. You aren't the authority on this topic, so you can't just keep stating things as true and expect them to magically be true.
 
You don't get to speak for all scientists. You only get to speak for you. Omniscience fallacy.
I never claimed to speak for all scientists. i'm just aware that there are scientists who believe in man-made climate change who are also aware of the laws of physics and have knowledge of mathematics.
I have better knowledge of physics and mathematics than YOU do, that's for sure.
If you say so. I mean, you already tried to apply the Pythagorean Theorem to a circle, so.....
Climate cannot change.
I'm fully aware of your OPINION... your opinion doesn't create reality, which is why I've asked repeatedly for evidence to support your opinion.
It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth.
I'm fully aware of your OPINION... your opinion doesn't create reality, which is why I've asked repeatedly for evidence to support your opinion.
There is no such thing as a global climate.
Ok. I don't know if anyone is claiming that there's a single climate for the entire earth.
I have already shown you the laws of physics that you choose to ignore several times. You just want to continue to ignore them.
Yes, you're regurgitated multiple laws of physics and made claims about them.... I'm still waiting for some kind of evidence/support for your claims about those laws as they relate to climate change because, again, you can't just make things true by saying them.
I have already shown you the math that you choose to ignore several times. You just want to continue to ignore them.
Yes, you're regurgitated claims about mathematics as they relate to climate chagne... I'm still waiting for some kind of evidence/support for your claims as they relate to climate change because, again, you can't just make things true by saying them.
I didn't create these theories or the mathematics. They do exist, however, and you just denying them isn't going to work, no matter how many people you claim to speak for.
Nice straw man. I never said any of the laws you've mentioned don't exist. I've also never said mathematics doesn't exist and I understand the CLAIMS you've made about both as they relate to climate change/CO2 increases in the atmosphere.... I'm still waiting for evidence/support for your claims.

I suspect I'll be waiting for a looooong time.
 
It is possible to scienctifally estimate those values.
Science is not gambling. Science has no 'values'. Random numbers are not 'data'.
Stomata can be preserved by impressions in the fossil record.
Stomata don't measure anything.
Radiometric dating can be used to estimate age on a scale of billions of years, not just
recent decades.
Unknown. There is no one a billion years old to verify the scale is anywhere near accurate.
The omnidirectionality of Radian Heat does not violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
You cannot heat a warmer surface using a colder gas. You might as well try to heat your coffee with an ice cube. There's this thing called the 2nd law of thermodynamics you are ignoring, you see.
"Contrary to the prevailing notion of CO2 stability, CO2 swings of 20-50 ppm or more over timespans of 500-1000 years appear to be the norm-- not the exception.
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It is not possible to measure the global atmospheric CO2 content.
Figure 5. Illustrated here are results from recent stomata studies which show that CO2 was more variable and the average CO2 concentrations have been significantly higher during our Holocene interglacial period (last 11,000 years) than are indicated by the ice core record. A precipitous drop in CO2 during the "Younger Dryas" was captured nicely by the stomata record, but missed by the CO2 record in ice cores. "
https://geocraft.com/WVFossils/stomata.html
Stomata don't measure anything.
For those who missed plant biology, Stomata are the "breathing" holes in leaves (which includes pine needles).
So? Stomata don't measure anything.
And "Air Flask" sampling started in 1957.
Of what? CO2? ONE station measuring the entire globe?
Milankovitch Cycles have failed to predict glaciation and interglacial periods for the last 2 million years.
What glaciation and interglacial periods for the last 2 million years? I realize this particular religion is quite popular, but it is not data nor a proof. It might not have even happened.
 
Your opinion of how mathematics applies, or doesn't apply, in this situation does need a link.
Mathematics is not an opinion. Mathematics does not need a link.
You aren't the authority on this topic, so you can't just keep stating things as true and expect them to magically be true.
Nah. You just want to deny mathematics, specifically statistical, probability, and random number mathematics.
 
I never claimed to speak for all scientists.
Blatant lie. Don't try to deny your own posts.
i'm just aware that there are scientists who believe in man-made climate change
I am aware that there are physics professors that believe sending their ashes to the Moon will result in a clone army, too. Climate cannot change.
who are also aware of the laws of physics
So you are saying they CHOOSE to ignore them?
and have knowledge of mathematics.
AND you are saying they CHOOSE to ignore it?
If you say so. I mean, you already tried to apply the Pythagorean Theorem to a circle, so.....
The Pythagorean Theorem DOES apply to a circle. You are denying trigonometry again.
I'm fully aware of your OPINION...
Mathematics is not an opinion.
your opinion doesn't create reality,
Yes it does. Obviously, you have no idea what 'reality' even means or how it's defined.
which is why I've asked repeatedly for evidence to support your opinion.
Mathematics does not need 'evidence'. Neither does any theory of science.
I'm fully aware of your OPINION... your opinion doesn't create reality,
which is why I've asked repeatedly for evidence to support your opinion.
You are mindlessly repeating yourself again. Repetition fallacy.
Ok. I don't know if anyone is claiming that there's a single climate for the entire earth.
YOU are. Don't try to deny your own posts.
Yes, you're regurgitated multiple laws of physics and made claims about them....
They make their own 'claims'. A theory of science speaks for itself. You just choose to ignore them.
I'm still waiting for some kind of evidence/support for your claims about those laws
I don't need evidence to support a theory of science.
as they relate to climate change
Climate cannot change.
because, again, you can't just make things true by saying them.
You are describing yourself again. Inversion fallacy.
Yes, you're regurgitated claims about mathematics as they relate to climate chagne...
I'm still waiting for some kind of evidence/support for your claims as they relate to climate change because, again, you can't just make things true by saying them.
Repetition fallacy.
Nice straw man. I never said any of the laws you've mentioned don't exist.
Blatant lie. Don't try to deny your own posts.
I've also never said mathematics doesn't exist
Blatant lie.
and I understand the CLAIMS you've made about both as they relate to climate change
Climate cannot change.
/CO2 increases in the atmosphere....
It is not possible to measure the global atmospheric content of CO2.
I'm still waiting for evidence/support for your claims.
I suspect I'll be waiting for a looooong time.
RQAA.
 
Mathematics is not an opinion. Mathematics does not need a link.
Perfect. I never said it was. I was clearly referencing YOUR opinion or mathematics, not mathematics as an opinion.
Nah. You just want to deny mathematics, specifically statistical, probability, and random number mathematics.

Nope. I'm not denying mathematics. i'm questioning your claims about mathematics and climate change and laws of thermodynamics, etc.

FYI.... still waiting for support for all your claims.
 
Write in complete sentences. I have no idea about what you are asking.
There are no scientists studying your religion.
Perfect because I'm an atheist and would be very confused if scientists were studying religion, particularly since science is clearly at direct odds with most every aspect of religion/god.
CO2 is not being studied. Everything there is to know about CO2 has been documented. Nobody is somehow studying it.
They're studying the impact of CO2 on temperatures/climate...which you already knew, but chose to play dumb.
Nobody has ever measured/calculated the earth's average global equilibrium temperature to any usable accuracy.
Link?
There are no "global temperatures" that anyone is studying.
Link?
This is why you have never seen the "The Data" because it's all an urban legend for the consumption of your congregation. If there were a dataset that would put the whole issue to rest in favor of Global Warming, the IPCC would clearly label it, neatly package it, and place it on a server for public download, ... and half the websites on the internet would point to it. However, if I were to ask you for this dataset right now, you would only be able to offer lame excuses, knowing that no such data exists.

Here's two data sets.

https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v4/GLB.Ts+dSST.csv

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs...ime_series/HadCRUT.4.6.0.0.monthly_ns_avg.txt

If you want some more interesting info, here's a link to the page where there are several datasets.... that apparently don't exist. Weird.

https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/
As such, you well know that no one is studying "global temperatures" and that no one has ever measured the earth's global average equilibrium temperature.
The datasets above would seem to say otherwise. I think I'll stop replying here and wait for a response on what I've already posted.
Nope. Can't be done and I know that you know this because you EVADE my requests for you to describe how you think it might be done.


There aren't nearly enough to get a measure within a usable accuracy. In fact, there are orders of magnitude too few.


Don't worry, there aren't any satellites capturing absolute temperature values for the reasons I have detailed.


Big deal.


Nope. They alter any data and fabricate any data necessary in order to make it align with their narratives. However, paying for computer time is costly, and it is free to just fabricate desired results.


Religious communities confirm their own consensuses and their own biases.


Nope. "Peer review" has nothing to do with science. It's a publishing term. Nobody owns science and nobody's permission or approval is required for science to be created. In religion, however, everything must have buy-in and approval from all the right people. Global Warming and Climate Change are such religions with strict "peer review" policies for anyone to speak/write publicly on matters of the faith. Science, on the other hand, has no "peer review."


They aren't scientists. Science doesn't deal in probability. Science predicts nature; it doesn't guess and it doesn't suggest.


There still aren't any "global temperatures" of any usable accuracy, and those are needed in order to tell whether such temperatures are increasing, decreasing or remaining the same.


Your commentary about the science community is coming directly out of your ass. When you want to know about the "science community," you should ask me. As it stands, I recognize all your booooolsch't.


Nope ... and you just gave away your mathematical incompetence.


What do any of these have to do with science?


Problem: You do not speak for any of them, nor do any of them have any desire for you to speak for them.


This is your tell tale sign that Climate Change and Global Warming are nothing but WACKY religions. Proxy measures are absolutely prohibited in science. Religions, on the other hand, eagerly look for "signs," "omens," "divine indications," "prophesies," etc ... These are not science. They accomplish nothing more than to create a special class of clergy who are the only ones qualified to "read" the omens/signs and tell you what to believe. This is not permitted in science. You should know this by now.


This is the fear of a theist who is about to lose his religion. Christians will remind you that the Devil can quote the Bible for his own ends. Science, on the other hand, requires doubting and questioning and more doubting and more questioning, all of the time. Your fear of doubting tells you that you have a profound faith in your religion and an extreme fear/HATRED of science (and math).


Exactly. Those people are likely to also fall for the religious Climate Change and Global Warming hype of fear/PANIC.
 
Perfect. I never said it was. I was clearly referencing YOUR opinion or mathematics, not mathematics as an opinion.
Mathematics is not an opinion. You just want to ignore it.
Nope. I'm not denying mathematics.
You are denying mathematics.
i'm questioning your claims about mathematics
Mathematics is not a 'claim'.
and climate change
Climate cannot change.
and laws of thermodynamics, etc.
You deny those too.
FYI.... still waiting for support for all your claims.
RQAA.
 
Mathematics is not an opinion. You just want to ignore it.

You are denying mathematics.
Nope. I'm denying your claimed expertise in mathematics as it relates to the current topic.
Mathematics is not a 'claim'.
Correct. I never said it was. I'm saying YOU are making claims that you've yet to support.
Climate cannot change.
According to who? Link?
You deny those too.
Nope. I'm questioning your claimed expertise and application of those laws.

Nope. Still waiting.
 
Perfect because I'm an atheist
You are not an atheist. You believe in the Church of Global Warming various other religions. You are a fundamentalist as well.
and would be very confused if scientists were studying religion,
Science is not a study. It is not even scientists. It is not even people at all. You are very confused.
particularly since science is clearly at direct odds with most every aspect of religion/god.
No, it isn't. Science has no religion. It is completely atheistic.
They're studying the impact of CO2 on temperatures
CO2 has no impact on temperatures. No gas or vapor can warm the Earth. You cannot create energy out of nothing.
/climate...
Climate has no 'impact'. Climate cannot change.
which you already knew, but chose to play dumb. Link? Link?
I do not have to provide links to a negative. Attempt to force negative proof fallacy.
Not a data set. Random numbers are not a data set.
It is not possible to measure the temperature of Earth, the global atmospheric content of CO2, the global sea level, the total snow and ice on Earth, the pH of the oceans, the temperature of the oceans, or any of other wacky claims by NASA.
Random numbers are not data.
If you want some more interesting info, here's a link to the page where there are several datasets.... that apparently don't exist. Weird.
https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/
Random numbers are not data.
The datasets above would seem to say otherwise.
Random numbers are not data.
I think I'll stop replying here and wait for a response on what I've already posted.
You are still ignoring mathematics. You are still ignoring theories of science.
So is NASA.

Science is not a government agency. Science is not a data set. Science is not mathematics. Science is not a university, college, book, website, degree, license, or any other certification. Science is not 'consensus' as there is no voting bloc in science. It is not an academy or society or community. Science is not even people.

It is the same with mathematics.

You are simply ignoring the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics, the ideal gas law, Planck's laws, Rutherford's law, and the Stefan-Boltzmann law.
You are simply ignoring statistical, probability, trigonometry, and random number mathematics. You've even ignored algebra.

This is YOUR problem. Science and mathematics is not my personal opinion. They simply exist. You simply choose to ignore them. Your religion is not 'science'. Your religion is not 'mathematics'.
NASA is not science. NASA is not mathematics. They are a government agency. They are no more capable of measuring the temperature of the Earth than anyone else. It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth.

Math errors: Failure to use unbiased raw data. Failure to select by randN. Failure to normalize by paired randR. Failure to declare and justify variance. Failure to calculate margin of error. Failure to specify tolerance. Attempt to use dependent variable as independent. Attempt to use independent variable as dependent.

Science errors: Attempt to create energy out of nothing (ignoring 1st law of thermodynamics). Attempt to reverse heat (ignoring 2nd law of thermodynamics.

You are still locked in multiple paradoxes as well.
 
Nope. I'm denying your claimed expertise in mathematics
What claim?
as it relates to the current topic.
Climate cannot change.
Correct. I never said it was.
Blatant lie. Don't try to deny your own posts.
I'm saying YOU are making claims that you've yet to support.
I didn't create mathematics. Mathematics does not need Holy Links.
According to who? Link?
RQAA. I don't need to link to English. Your stupid word games don't work here.
Nope. I'm questioning your claimed expertise and application of those laws.
They aren't 'application'. You are just ignoring theories of science.
Nope. Still waiting.
RQAA.
 
i'm just aware that there are scientists who believe in man-made climate change who are also aware of the laws of physics and have knowledge of mathematics.
One can be a scientist and have a religion as well. You conveniently have Into the Night here, who believes in Christianity and who is also aware of the laws of physics and has knowledge of mathematics. He can answer all of your questions about Christianity without resorting to calling it "thettled thienth." You, on the other hand, refuse to cut away that problematic aspect of your religious faith. Your tireless efforts to establish your religion as science runs you through an endless cycle of shifting physics violations from which you cannot escape. You'll notice that Christians don't relegate themselves to rotating through physics violations; they don't have to. Christians declare all of their miracles to be "miracles" and don't insist on trying to explain any of them within the laws of physics that they are seemingly breaking. When Christians talk about Jesus walking on water, they celebrate it as a miracle. They don't try to explain it in terms of water's cohesive tension that allows one to skip stones off the surface. You on the other hand, point to the miracles of your faith, and you rush to state that no one is claiming any violation is occurring, i.e. you rush to deny that the miracles of your faith are, in fact, miracles. You need to maintain the self-delusion that your religion is thettled thienth.

But let's return to the point of Into the Night being a religious individual who understands science and math. He can discuss his theism within the context of his faith, and can discuss science independently of his religion. You, on the other hand, are scientifically illiterate and mathematically incompetent, and you are trying to integrate your religion into science. Any rational adult will immediately realize that this will not work out well for you. You are not capable of discussing science and you aren't capable of learning any science when it goes against your WACKY religious dogma. Your faith is an entire package of physics violations wrapped in an overarching violation of the 1st law of thermodynamics. You are doomed to remaining scientifically illiterate and regurgitating loony crap. You have been taught a lot of science for free here on JPP, and had many of your egregious errors corrected as a helpful courtesy, yet you have only resisted and complained. Who does that? Never even so much as a "thank you."

I will reiterate that you made a shit-poor decision to adopt such a religion. Nonetheless, I wish you the best of luck in dealing with the confusion it causes you.

I mean, you already tried to apply the Pythagorean Theorem to a circle, so.....
You have already denied the meaning of the word "apply." Your religion has taught you that hijacking words is a sign of devotion.

Ok. I don't know if anyone is claiming that there's a single climate for the entire earth.
It is sufficient that you are claiming it. You are the one in the conversation.

I'm still waiting for some kind of evidence/support for your claims about those laws
This is about the 30th time you have committed this burden-shifting fallacy. You are the one affirmatively claiming Global Warming; you bear the full burden to support it. When the laws of thermodynamics, Stefan-Boltzmann and others hammer a few boxes of 20d nails into your religion's coffin, you don't get to suddenly play Judge ZenMode and demand physics be proven in your court of law. Everything you have been taught about science in this forum has been correct and your religion has its share of miracles. Your inability to accept that your religion is a religion or that miracles necessarily violate physics does not somehow impose requirements onto science, I'm sorry.

Oh, and science is not Into the Night's opinion. It's not anybody's opinion. If you don't like the way science kills your religion dead then you need to falsify it. You do not get to demand that Into the Night somehow prove to your satisfaction that science works.

I never said any of the laws you've mentioned don't exist.
It is exactly what you "say" every time you deny them. Do you know what the word "deny" means? If you deny Stefan-Boltzmann, you are effectively stating that you don't believe it exists. Every time you claim that a reduction in earth's radiance causes an increase in earth's temperature, you are denying Stefan-Boltzmann, and how many times have you made that claim? Over a dozen, right? That's how many times that you have said that Stefan-Boltzmann doesn't exist without using those words. How many times have you claimed an increase in earth's temperature without accounting for the additional energy, i.e. leaving one to conclude that it is being magically created out of nothing (from mere redistributions of existing energy)? How many times? More than a dozen as well. That's how many times you have denied the 1st law of thermodynamics, i.e. claimed that the law doesn't exist without using those words. How many times have you insisted that the way that atmospheric CO2 "interacts" with solar energy causes it to warm the lithosphere and the ocean? Also more than a dozen times? This is a denial of the 2nd LoT and is your assertion that it does not exist, again, without using those words.

I'm still waiting for evidence/support for your claims.
How many times have you repeated this fallacy?
 
You have been taught a lot of science for free here on JPP, and had many of your egregious errors corrected as a helpful courtesy, yet you have only resisted and complained. Who does that? Never even so much as a "thank you."

I do get an occasional "fuck you" from time to time from religious whacks like this. I suppose that's better than nothing! :D
 
... particularly since science is clearly at direct odds with most every aspect of religion/god.
So you aren't confused by science being directly at odds with most every aspect of your religion/gods.

They're studying the impact of CO2 on temperatures/climate
Nope. There is no such thing as a global climate. Science, via the 1st law of thermodynamics, has shown that no atmospheric gas has any effect on temperature, because temperature can only be changed by changing the quantity of thermal energy, and no substance has any magical superpower to create energy out of nothing or to destroy energy into nothing. Ergo, nobody is somehow studying how any substance somehow creates energy out of nothing or destroys energy into nothing. Nobody.

Oh yes, that specifically means that there is no impact whatsoever stemming from no change whatsoever in temperature caused by no thermal energy whatsoever being created out of nothing and no thermal energy whatsoever being destroyed into nothing.

Here's two data sets.
I already covered this previously. I predicted that you would look for random datasets to present as "The Data", knowing that the data within them is not anything that leads to any conclusions that you are peddling, i.e. they are just random, meaningless datasets.

The datasets above would seem to say otherwise.
You have no idea what these datasets say. I, however, do. They don't say anything related to the topic we are discussing.
 
You have been taught a lot of science for free here on JPP, and had many of your egregious errors corrected as a helpful courtesy, yet you have only resisted and complained. Who does that? Never even so much as a "thank you."
I do get an occasional "fuck you" from time to time from religious whacks like this. I suppose that's better than nothing! :D
Mantra 50 Public Masturbation


Mantra 1a.
Mantra 4a.
One of the "miscellaneous" documents on that site is Into the Night's mantra list.
 
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