Ohio Vote Returns.

Interesting facet about abortion is that the right finally got what they wanted for decades, the overturning of Roe, and at the time they all celebrated, but now, politically, they are seeing the consequences and they are baffled

Without a doubt many Republicans women in Ohio voted for that Amendment, bottom line, women don’t like being told what they can do with their own body, especially when it is largely old men telling them

And what baffles me about the abortion battle, and I don’t support abortion, is that forever the majority on the right shouted that abortion was murder, yet now, their politicians are basically saying, well, it is only murder after six weeks, ten weeks, fifteen weeks, under these circumstances or those circumstances, I never knew moral dogma was so flexible
 
cawacko said:
The flip side to that is states are laboratories for democracy. As people here love to say 'as goes California so goes the nation'. Policies that get passed in California would not get passed nationally first (but often seep into national legislation later).

I fully acknowledge that not everything that comes from it is positive, but we've also seen the centralized style Soviet Union top down government over a nation and that did not work.
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When I see people claim that local governments work best, it makes me cringe. The smaller the jurisdiction, the closer we get to a pure democracy. Two wolves and a sheep deciding what’s for dinner. That’s where we start to see book bans and worse, where the majority imposes its will on everyone else.
 
archives said:
Interesting facet about abortion is that the right finally got what they wanted for decades, the overturning of Roe, and at the time they all celebrated, but now, politically, they are seeing the consequences and they are baffled

Without a doubt many Republicans women in Ohio voted for that Amendment, bottom line, women don’t like being told what they can do with their own body, especially when it is largely old men telling them

And what baffles me about the abortion battle, and I don’t support abortion, is that forever the majority on the right shouted that abortion was murder, yet now, their politicians are basically saying, well, it is only murder after six weeks, ten weeks, fifteen weeks, under these circumstances or those circumstances, I never knew moral dogma was so flexible
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No one is baffled; it is being decided as it should be, by the states. They differ on this issue. Problem?
 
Taichiliberal said:
As long as there is NOT a violation of Constitutional law. Seems that the SCOTUS has ruled against what you say here, and that generalized edict of yours doesn't excuse or justify your documented racism and bigotry on this site.

Boy, the head of yours must be spinning under that hood! :laugh:
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How could there be a violation of constitutional law? The Supreme court just said abortion was to be decided by the states and that is what Ohio has done.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
There were two major State Wide Issues today in Ohio.

Issue 1. Is a vote to enshrine reproductive rights in our State Constitution.
Issue 2. Will legalize recreational pot use in our State.

The early returns are coming in. Normally the early votes trend very conservative in the early returns and swing towards the center as the votes are counted as small rural communities complete their counts early.

With that being the case it does not look good for the opposition to Issues 1&2.

Issue 1 is currently at 65% for to 35% against.
Isuue 2 currently at 58% for to 42% against.
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The sane people of Ohio have spoken in favor of freedom!
 
Grokmaster said:
No one is baffled; it is being decided as it should be, by the states. They differ on this issue. Problem?
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So what many on the right said adamantly that all abortion is murder are now saying, well, it ain’t murder before ten weeks, fifteen weeks, under this circumstance, or that circumstance, etc., cause it is being decided by the State?
 
Jarod said:
Our DEMOCRACY is at work tomight!
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This is why today's GOP'er doesn't like democracy. They know their ideas are unpopular, so they try everything they can to suppress the vote and find workarounds to achieve their means, like appointing a medieval Supreme Court.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I don’t think it would take a Nostradamus to predict that if this issue was being voted on in michigan it would win by a larger margin than in Ohio.
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It was on our ballot in 2022 and passed, 57-43. It seems that people want to decide for themselves when it comes to sexuality and parenthood, rather than let government control us.
 
Concart said:
Somewhere in Ohio, a retired substitute PE teacher is screaming at the sky.
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You mean lunch lady and coach assistant, but yes -- there was a near continuous meltdown about this issue from that source, since Tuesday. I bet you didn't know that women are having abortions because they don't want to ruin their vacations or job promotions with a pregnancy, did you? Or that when a woman mourns a miscarriage, it means that it's really a baby and so therefore all fetuses are actually babies and therefore abortion is murder, did you? :rofl2:
 
Nordberg said:
Michigan is a bastion of repub gerrymandering. The Dems have won the popular vote over and over, but CANNOT win the state senate and house.
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That was true till a couple of years ago. Once again, we the people voted for democracy. We approved the formation of a nonpartisan redistricting commission and now things are far more equal than they were when we moved here seven years ago. For example, we now have a (D) for our state rep. BTW, the (D)s hold a majority in the state house and senate now, thanks to the cessation of gerrymandering. Well, they did until last Tuesday, when two (D) reps won mayoral races and will be leaving. So now it's tied 50-50 until a special election to replace them can happen.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
There were two major State Wide Issues today in Ohio.

Issue 1. Is a vote to enshrine reproductive rights in our State Constitution.
Issue 2. Will legalize recreational pot use in our State.

The early returns are coming in. Normally the early votes trend very conservative in the early returns and swing towards the center as the votes are counted as small rural communities complete their counts early.

With that being the case it does not look good for the opposition to Issues 1&2.

Issue 1 is currently at 65% for to 35% against.
Isuue 2 currently at 58% for to 42% against.
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So Ohio is going to legalize murder and pot smoking. Gotit.
 
BartenderElite said:
Um, you didn't seem to care too much if they were in Gaza...
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Oh my god, the burn. Congratulations for this absolutely spot-on observation.

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