Big night for Democrats!

[TOP]

You ahead and keep spouting your bullshit but only those who refuse to believe the truth are listening. The economy is doing just fine. Many from both sides were predicting a recession while now the Fed is expecting a 2.5% growth for the next year. Inflation is the only thing you from the right like to bitch about but that is coming down and not something that was the result of the president anyway. The entire world experienced the same damn thing. Your "danger to the country" is incredibly ridiculous when your candidate says he's going to fire anyone who isn't loyal to him, tell the Ukraine to fend for themselves and put the military on the streets on day one! He adores dictators like Putin and Jong Un and only wishes he could be more like them. That is Adolf Hitler to a fucking tee and a "danger to this country" far more than anyone can possibly imagine.

You mention Biden the other day with that t-shirt on. Anyone who listened to him speak yesterday and isn't fucking lying knows the guy is sharp as a tack. He understands the issues, ALL of them from foreign policy to the economy while your candidate fucking babbles and doesn't understand shit other than how to appeal to ignorant shitheads like you.

He's reading notes that someone else wrote and telling Tall Tales...he barely knows what day it is without the notes... if you don't see that you're not paying they will keep encouraging him to step aside...
He's too busy working on a tan while the world Burns... we don't need four more years of that...

 

[Phantasmal]

You are correct. The British paper The Guardian had a good article about Mike Johnson, the new speaker, last week. He once served as an attorney for a RW Xtian group that was instrumental in getting SCOTUS to reverse Roe v Wade. Their next objective is to ban contraceptives.

Clarence Thomas also said that part out loud.

 

[Port Tack]

I slightly disagree here. We need the progressives to keep the DNC in general from trending more and more to the right. But IMO you are correct in that they tend to turn off moderate (D)s and independents.

Again that depends on just how you define progressive. I consider myself progressive, we should have Universal Healthcare and public schools should include at least Junior college up to a BA degree. However, trying to bite off more than you can chew disallusioning to many on the fence just means you lose. The right is paying the price for extremism now, the left should not follow them.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

He's reading notes that someone else wrote and telling Tall Tales...he barely knows what day it is without the notes... if you don't see that you're not paying they will keep encouraging him to step aside...
He's too busy working on a tan while the world Burns... we don't need four more years of that...

 

[TOP]

Another decisive win in my column...two actually...

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Again that depends on just how you define progressive. I consider myself progressive, we should have Universal Healthcare and public schools should include at least Junior college up to a BA degree. However, trying to bite off more than you can chew disallusioning to many on the fence just means you lose. The right is paying the price for extremism now, the left should not follow them.

No, we shouldn't. Don't you think it's kind of hilarious though when you see RWNJs here and elsewhere label Biden and the oldest of the (D)s "extreme leftists"?

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Another decisive win in my column...two actually...

And there's that passive-aggressive "I know something you don't know" 5th-grade grrl we all know so well.

 

[Port Tack]

What you say is accurate and true but also exposes the lie, or hidden agenda, of the pro life movement.

As you say, anyone simply against abortion should support and celebrate good education about sexual responsibility, including contraception education and access.

Precisely, it is why I have often said that I am not "FOR" abortion and that is why I will always fervently go to bat for groups like Planned Parenthood. There are plenty of things in life I may not be "FOR", but also find essential.
Also, you can't reasonably be "Pro-life" and against PP, you are fooling only yourself.

But this movement is a continuation or version of the Puritan Movement. Stopping all abortions is Step 2. Step 1 is ensuring sex is only engaged in for procreation, and every time sex is engaged nothing in the procreation stages is interrupted.

it really is as simple as that. They believe that if sex is engaged in, it must be tied to, or allowed to, without interruption proceed to child, if that is in process.

Right, and reality be damned!

 

[Port Tack]

Just about everyone knows someone who's had an ectopic pregnancy and had to have life saving surgery.... I don't know anyone who's ever been denied Medical Care and in every case the woman Mourns the loss of the child....

Well of course, did you actually that FOX would ever tell you about one?

 

[QP!]

You will have to give me some links to these statistics that you claim not anecdotal stories actual links to numbers... I can give you a link to the one that documents almost a million abortions a year...

I am not claiming "Statistics" so again, stop lying.

I am speaking to the growing number of these cases of women in Magat Derp States, whose lives and future baby having potential is being put at risk by these laws which prevent them even getting the care, to clear their uterus of inviable fetus, thus potentially damaging their womb forever.

...
Another woman has come forward with the harrowing details of how the Supreme Court’s decision four months ago to overturn Roe v. Wade put her life in danger.

CNN has told the stories of several women – including one from Houston, one from central Texas and one from Cleveland – and what they had to do to obtain medically necessary abortions.

Now, a woman from Austin, Texas, has come forward because she nearly died when she couldn’t get a timely abortion.

This is her story.

The loss of a ‘miracle’ baby
Amanda Eid and Josh Zurawski, both now 35, met in 1991 at Aldersgate Academy preschool in Fort Wayne, Indiana, and dated in high school.

“Josh always tells me he’s been in love with me since we were 4 years old,” Amanda said.

Three years ago, they married in Austin, Texas, where they both work in high-tech jobs.

They tried to have a family but failed. Amanda had fertility treatments for a year and a half and finally became pregnant.

“Very excited to share that Baby Zurawski is expected in late January,” Amanda shared on Instagram in July. The post included a picture of her and her husband in “Mama” and “Dad” hats, Amanda holding a strip of ultrasound photos of their baby girl.

“The fact that we were pregnant at all was a miracle, and we were beside ourselves with happiness,” she said.

But then, 18 weeks – just four months – into her pregnancy, Amanda’s water broke.

The amniotic fluid that her baby depended upon was leaking out. She says her doctor told her the baby would not survive.

“We found out that we were going to lose our baby,” Amanda said. “My cervix was dilating fully 22 weeks prematurely, and I was inevitably going to miscarry.”

She and Josh begged the doctor to see if there was any way to save the baby.

“I just kept asking, ‘isn’t there anything we can do?’ And the answer was ‘no,’ ” Amanda said.

When a woman’s water breaks, she’s at high risk for a life-threatening infection. While Amanda and Josh’s baby – they named her Willow – was sure to die, she still had a heartbeat, and so doctors said that under Texas law, they were unable to terminate the pregnancy....




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Anyone who claims to be pro life, who would put in place a law to block this woman above getting an abortion to protect her future chance to have a baby, is simply not pro life. They are putting the mothers life at risk as well as her chance to bring into the world any future life.

They are pro CONTROL.

 

[Port Tack]

Indeed.

it is why they try to wrap arguments in emotion as they know the truth and logic do not agree with them.

The appeal to suggest that if you gave your child, pre its birth, a name that somehow then means from zygote to post birth all deserve the same protections because 'gasp... surely if you had a name you believed it was a child'.

well that plays right in to Step 1 and why TOP has never answered my question on whether she would use the law to block all contraception. Because 'gasp, surely if you have a name for your eventual child', as i have heard some young girls express, even before they hit puberty, then 'of course contraception should then be denied to them'.

The "Pro-Life" movement should be absolutly aghast of artificial insemination. When you think of all those people being held in petri dishes under refrigeration, they must be freezing. Not to mention all of those simply unused babies being flushed down the toilet.

 

[TOP]

Well of course, did you actually that FOX would ever tell you about one?

Slow down when you post... I work with people for a living... I'm pretty sure I don't need an outside source to provide information for me...Our High School actually had a mobile unit that came to school to provide Healthcare including birth control and prenatal care for quite some time... You ?

 

[QP!]

The new speaker of the house has extreme views on both abortion and LGBTQ rights. This is the guy of whom, after his selection last week, Toxic TOP declared that the more she hears about him, the more she likes him. But she's not trying to force her views on anyone, oh no.

House Speaker Mike Johnson has long opposed abortion and LGBTQ+ rights

I do not think it is hyperbole to say the new speaker is this guy, polished and wearing a suit.

His views to criminalize abortion and the LGTBQ+ lifestyle, his push against contraception, and his work in that regard pushing to get laws to do that are absolutely reprehensible.

He uses specious and stupid arguments to make every societal wrong tied to abortion or any of his other 'pet sins', even saying that the National Debt problem is one caused by abortions.

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

The type of person who believes in womens health care rights and science and do not believe a Fetus, before viability is a baby.

BTW that included almost all Evangelicals, until they saw this as a political issue to use against Dems when they were pouting that they were losing court cases across the country allowing them to keep blacks segregated. So that is even more "deplorable" that they DNGAF about this issue other than as sour grapes to try and 'own the libz'.

If a non viable fetus is cut out of a woman in a crime event, and ritually sacrificed on moloch altar, is that murder?

 

[TOP]

I am not claiming "Statistics" so again, stop lying.

I am speaking to the growing number of these cases of women in Magat Derp States, whose lives and future baby having potential is being put at risk by these laws which prevent them even getting the care, to clear their uterus of inviable fetus, thus potentially damaging their womb forever.


Anyone who claims to be pro life, who would put in place a law to block this woman above getting an abortion to protect her future chance to have a baby, is simply not pro life. They are putting the mothers life at risk as well as her chance to bring into the world any future life.

They are pro CONTROL.

I just knew that you would provide a few stories and no actual statistics..... you do realize there's a "story for every occasion" and around here not accepted as proof of anything... that's a liberal rule by the way....

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

I am not claiming "Statistics" so again, stop lying.

I am speaking to the growing number of these cases of women in Magat Derp States, whose lives and future baby having potential is being put at risk by these laws which prevent them even getting the care, to clear their uterus of inviable fetus, thus potentially damaging their womb forever.


Anyone who claims to be pro life, who would put in place a law to block this woman above getting an abortion to protect her future chance to have a baby, is simply not pro life. They are putting the mothers life at risk as well as her chance to bring into the world any future life.

They are pro CONTROL.

Yes.

What a truly heart-breaking story. The rest of it is even more heart-breaking -- and terrifying. Amanda developed sepsis and she ended up in the ICU, near death.

Amanda’s uterus suffered scarring from the infection, and she may not be able to have more children. She had a surgery recently to fix the scarring, but it’s unclear whether it will be successful.

That leaves the Zurawskis scared – and furious that they might never have a family because of a Texas law.

But to forced-birthers, this is okay, it's just collateral damage. So at least ten unwanted babies were born, during their ordeal, to women in poverty -- but the couple who has the will and means to raise a child are denied.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Slow down when you post... I work with people for a living... I'm pretty sure I don't need an outside source to provide information for me...Our High School actually had a mobile unit that came to school to provide Healthcare including birth control and prenatal care for quite some time... You ?

McDonald's is not "work with people with a living," despite your compulsion to believe so.

 

[QP!]

Precisely, it is why I have often said that I am not "FOR" abortion and that is why I will always fervently go to bat for groups like Planned Parenthood. There are plenty of things in life I may not be "FOR", but also find essential.
Also, you can't reasonably be "Pro-life" and against PP, you are fooling only yourself.



Right, and reality be damned!

And reality is that in the early days of these organized Religions, growing the member ship, and thus donation base was absolutely key.

That is the genesis of the spin church leaders put on, which was to try and ensure families (mostly white and Christian) in the West were not out bred by competing religions and peoples in other countries.

it was a drive to build up both wealth and armies hidden in 'family values' language.

That is why even today we hear this under current of them 'trying to out breed us' and other such complaints from Magat's. it is fear of 'losing power' but also a 'declining donor base', both of which are a current reality for Western based religions in America.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

I just knew that you would provide a few stories and no actual statistics..... you do realize there's a "story for every occasion" and around here not accepted as proof of anything... that's a liberal rule by the way....

Amanda = collateral damage.

 

[QP!]

The "Pro-Life" movement should be absolutly aghast of artificial insemination. When you think of all those people being held in petri dishes under refrigeration, they must be freezing. Not to mention all of those simply unused babies being flushed down the toilet.

That should be an easy joke to laugh at, as hyperbole, but in fact many religious people do oppose all such forms 'assisted reproductive technology', as you probably know.