Why is our system producing 2 weak canididates?

I vote for the Good PEOPLE!

I refuse to vote for people who intentionally lie, people that think lying is OK, are willing to cheat, People that think it is OK to overturn an election, have no respect for Democracy, people who are trying to take away a women's right to choose, people that do not care about the environment, people that insult me because they do not agree with me politically, people who are proven criminals, people who are arrogant, people who seem hateful to me or others, people who think it is OK to let Billionaires get by without paying any taxes, people who do not want to help the less fortunate, people who do not care about the health of others, people who only care about their own self-interests, people who do not care about what could benefit the GREATER GOOD or what is best for everyone, people who insist everything has to be their way, people who do not apologize when they are wrong, people who are sore losers, people who do not accept that the USA is a melting pot, people who are racists, people who are hypocrites and do not practice what they preach, people who are vindictive, people who hate our neighboring countries and their people, people that hate other states and cities and their people, people who are dividers and not uniters, people who cut down our military and their families, people who are Conspiracy Theorists, people who are Vaccine deniers, people who do not believe in sensible gun laws, people who do not believe in NATO, people who buddy up with the world's most dangerous autocrats, people who are known women abusers- THAT IS JUST MY SHORT LIST!

So this is why I am voting for Biden in the next election, because I do not see him as being anything like the above.

And his age does not matter to me, because I do not see his VP as anything that fits in the above categories either, and think she is prepared to take over should something happen to him- AND THE COMPETITION IS ONLY 3 years younger than BIDEN!

I am very proud of Biden, and I agree with everything he has done, and I believe he has been one of the best presidents we have ever had.

And I am very proud to vote for him again!

Next!
 
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Yakuda said:
You agree with me that the lack of compromise occurs on both sides of the aisle, correct?
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Yes and no

Democrats aren’t anxious to compromise, but where necessary they do, on the other hand, Republicans don’t rerun the favor as often. House Republicans are of the Rush Limbaugh era, where they learned compromise was a sign of weakness, and many follow the dogma loyally
 
SmarterthanYou said:
the 'system' is able to do this because a majority of our populace has been dumbed down to the point of reacting in terror about what the 'other side' would do if they win. Look at the 2016 election. Trump was saying 'vote for me or you'll end up with hillary', and vice versa.........hillary was saying 'vote for me or you'll end up with trump............with that kind of rampant fear in people, it's easy for two political parties to collude and take power away from people. Even now you are on this board saying 'god bless president biden' when you can clearly see that he's just as awful as trump ever was..........but you don't care about that because you live in fear over what the republicans might do, should they have power.
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Lot going on there, first off, the division in America started long before Trump and Hillary, however, Trump took it to another level, purposely I might add, never before had candidates referred to the other party as “traitors” and out “to destroy America”

Secondly, by any measure, Biden is not as bad as Trump, and Americans aren’t worried about what Trump might do, they already know what Trump has done, and even now what he is threatening to do
 
Jarod said:
Its pretty close to objectively clear that, unless something significant changes, our viable options for president will both be very weak.


The vast majority of Americans believe both likely candidates are poor choices and express that they would like better choices...


What is it about our system that produces this effect? Why wouldn't we get better choices and what systemic changes can/should we make to get better presidential and other political choices?




To me a huge part of the problem is cultural idea that these choices are binary. There are in fact a huge number of passable condonations of issue stances and ideologies that we could present and have a robust debate over, but somehow we are stuck in this binary choice where almost always certain issues must be packaged with other only tangentially related issues.

Does Pro-LIfe always have to travel with lower taxes? These two ideas are not very well connected, but they seem to ALWAYS travel together. One could argue that the party that wants less government would want lower taxes and LESS regulation over abortion. Why does prayer in school run with less funding for education?

I can make an argument both ways why these issues are/are not naturally bundled together, so why are they so tightly bound? Is it marketing?


What can we do to create more options and a better mix of positions.

I believe our DEMOCRACY would be stronger if we could break this system of binary choices and get a better mix of issue bundling and more than two sides of every issue represented.


The European Parliamentary system seems to be one option, where after an election several parties often have to build a power sharing coalition and build a government. Any thoughts on this or other ideas?
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reverse citizens united.

reverse kelo decision.

these two things will save the country.

but you have no balls.
 
archives said:
Lot going on there, first off, the division in America started long before Trump and Hillary, however, Trump took it to another level, purposely I might add, never before had candidates referred to the other party as “traitors” and out “to destroy America”

Secondly, by any measure, Biden is not as bad as Trump, and Americans aren’t worried about what Trump might do, they already know what Trump has done, and even now what he is threatening to do
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Trump will never be elected president again. The Republiclowns have lost the popular vote in seven out of the last eight presidential elections. Now they're going to turn away more voters with their extreme stances on guns and abortion. Trump has already lost the popular vote TWICE. And that was before the four indictments, the photos of the boxes of top secret docs in his bathroom, being found guilty of rape and business fraud, the J6 report.

GOOD LUCK, REPUBLICLOWNS!
 
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Jarod said:
Its pretty close to objectively clear that, unless something significant changes, our viable options for president will both be very weak.


The vast majority of Americans believe both likely candidates are poor choices and express that they would like better choices...


What is it about our system that produces this effect? Why wouldn't we get better choices and what systemic changes can/should we make to get better presidential and other political choices?




To me a huge part of the problem is cultural idea that these choices are binary. There are in fact a huge number of passable condonations of issue stances and ideologies that we could present and have a robust debate over, but somehow we are stuck in this binary choice where almost always certain issues must be packaged with other only tangentially related issues.

Does Pro-LIfe always have to travel with lower taxes? These two ideas are not very well connected, but they seem to ALWAYS travel together. One could argue that the party that wants less government would want lower taxes and LESS regulation over abortion. Why does prayer in school run with less funding for education?

I can make an argument both ways why these issues are/are not naturally bundled together, so why are they so tightly bound? Is it marketing?


What can we do to create more options and a better mix of positions.

I believe our DEMOCRACY would be stronger if we could break this system of binary choices and get a better mix of issue bundling and more than two sides of every issue represented.


The European Parliamentary system seems to be one option, where after an election several parties often have to build a power sharing coalition and build a government. Any thoughts on this or other ideas?
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It’s all about money in an entrenched system.
 
Yakuda said:
Yeah you cockroaches love Robert byrd George Wallace talib and Omar. Very good
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I don’t/didn’t give a shit about any of them.

I prefer a Nelson Rockefeller, Bush I, Bill Clinton or an Obama. Or an Eisenhower. Nixon was not a bad president until he got wound up in that Watergate bullshit
 
Our political system has been completely broken for a long time, the beginning of the collapse was sometime around 1947. Remember that Ikes speech was supposed to be about the Military Industrial Congressional Complex, and that the Swamp almost certainly killed JFK.
 
cawacko said:
But money in politics isn't new and we've not had this level of dissatisfaction between the two likely candidates like we have now.
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Money has always been there, but not at this level. These guys need what, a billion dollars for their campaigns now? Citizens United really fucked things up.
 
archives said:
Lot going on there, first off, the division in America started long before Trump and Hillary, however, Trump took it to another level, purposely I might add, never before had candidates referred to the other party as “traitors” and out “to destroy America”
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100% agreed

archives said:
Secondly, by any measure, Biden is not as bad as Trump, and Americans aren’t worried about what Trump might do, they already know what Trump has done, and even now what he is threatening to do
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wrong on the first count. Biden is every bit as 'bad' as trump, just in very different ways. what trump is doing now is taking major advantage of what the politic atmosphere is blatantly showing.........that the government weaponizes itself against those who don't go along to get along and that appeals to the trump base.
 
archives said:
Yes and no

Democrats aren’t anxious to compromise, but where necessary they do, on the other hand, Republicans don’t rerun the favor as often. House Republicans are of the Rush Limbaugh era, where they learned compromise was a sign of weakness, and many follow the dogma loyally
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Show me the best example of democrats compromising.
 
Jarod said:
Do you not see how much trouble Red would be if we seperated?
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Red would be a broke ass third world country eventually [and thankfully] overrun by Mexico.
We couldn't educate them, but maybe the beaners will have better luck, bless their hearts.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Nobody needs to excessively compromise.

We just need to separate.
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So no example of democrats compromising. At least your inadvertently being honest that dems don't actually give a shit about compromise and that anchovies claims of democratic compromise is nothing but a delusion on his/her/it's part. Thanks.
 
cawacko said:
We love to talk about our democracy yet are quite content with the two parties basically colluding to keep out any competition. So that creates a culture and mindset where people say "if you vote third party/independent then you are throwing your vote away" which only adds to the two party's power.

Now I don't know that the European system is the answer either. I love the idea of the No Labels party which is a bi-partisan mix of people. Of course with a group like that many of us will find some positions we like and others we don't (likely far more than we do with whichever party we are currently a member of) but if given a shot it will allow people to determine are they as fed up with the two party system (as many polls claim) or is it a case of the grass is greener and in reality the status quo is fine?
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There is a time and a place for a third party candidate and this is NOT IT. I voted for Republicans and third party candidates FIVE CONSECUTIVE TIMES for Minnesota Governor. I had legitimate reasons each time. I went so far as to have an op ed in the star tribune explaining my vote for a third party candidate so this is not coming from a partisan hack. As an aside, that candidate called me and thanked me for that op ed. Just saying. We need to get rid of the Hitler candidate before we do another thing. If you vote third party next year you are doing something far worse than throwing away your vote. You are throwing away our country.
 
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