EV sales are booming and there are a plethora of new, affordable models.

Myth: The increase in electric vehicles entering the market will collapse the U.S. power grid.
No myth.
FACT: Electric vehicles have charging strategies that can prevent overloading the grid, and, in some cases, support grid reliability.

EVs are not aware of the grid and cannot control it.
It is true that the increasing number of electric vehicles (EVs) on the road will lead to increased electricity demand.
Which means more coal plants, more natural gas plants, more nuke plants, etc.
Yet, how that impacts the grid will depend on several factors, such as the power level and time of day when vehicles are charged, and the potential for vehicle-to-grid (V2G) charging 3 among others.
So you are charging your car by discharging your car! Hilarious!
EVs can be charged at off-peak times, such as overnight, when rates are often cheaper.
What about those people that don't have garages?
Even with a mix of charging times (so not all nighttime charging), research indicates
No such research.
that sufficient capacity will exist to cover EVs entering the market in the coming years.
Argument from randU fallacy.
And further down the road, when renewables make up a larger part of our energy mix in many regions,
Oil and natural gas are renewable fuels.
switching to more daytime charging (when some renewables like solar generate energy)
Solar energy is the most expensive method of producing power there is. It's piddle power.
with some energy storage capability
TANSTAAFL. Batteries are not an energy source. You are ignoring the 1st law of thermodynamics again.
should allow the grid to handle increases in EV charging.
TANSTAAFL. Batteries do not add to power generating capacity.
5 California leads the country with more than 1 million electric vehicles
And you can't charge them because the power is out again. There are not one million EVs in California.
and EV charging currently makes up less than 1% of the state’s grid total load, even during peak hours.
California already has woefully insufficient power generating capacity.
Vehicle-to-grid (V2G) charging allows EVs to act as a power source that may help with grid reliability by pushing energy back to the grid from an EV battery.
TANSTAAFL. A battery is not power generating capacity.
This is done by allowing EVs to charge when electricity demand is low and drawing on them when that demand is high
You can't charge them when the power is out again. California already has woefully insufficient power generating capacity.

Worse, all the power you idiots are importing right now is overloading the transmission lines you are importing through. If either of them trip out, the WRIC will disconnect the others to save WRIC. That means shedding California loads, dude.
 
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Toyota aims to put 1,000 km-range Lexus EV on the road by 2026

Toyota unveiled a Lexus concept car with a roughly 1,000 kilometre range on Wednesday that it aims to roll out by 2026, part of the Japanese automaker's strategic pivot to EVs reliant on advanced battery technology.
The LF-ZC concept car, which debuted at the Japan Mobility Show, uses "prismatic, high-performance" batteries that achieve around twice the range of conventional EVs - or around 1,000 kilometres (620 miles).
"The key to achieving these breakthroughs is parts minimalisation and reduction across the board, including smaller, more efficient batteries with more power and more range," Toyota Chief Branding Officer Simon Humphries said at a press briefing introducing the concept model.
The world's top-selling automaker announced in June an ambitious plan to ramp up in battery EVs, including the launch of the next-generation lithium-ion batteries that offer longer ranges and quicker charging.
It also said it had achieved a "breakthrough" in overcoming problems previously identified with the durability in solid-state batteries. It aims to sell vehicles powered by solid-state batteries - considered a potential "game changer" for the industry because of their range and performance - by 2027 or 2028.
 
BP buys $100 million worth of Tesla chargers
Nov 2, 2023 | 1:15 PM
Oil and gas company BP has agreed to purchase $100 million worth of electric vehicle chargers from Tesla. This marks the first time Tesla has ever sold chargers to another company, according to an announcement from BP.
BP will begin installing the chargers next year. The company is purchasing 250 kilowatt fast chargers, the sort usually called Superchargers by Tesla. These chargers will be branded with a “BP Pulse” logo and will be used as part of BP’s own charging network.
The chargers will be able to power vehicles with either Tesla’s NACS charging port, which many other automakers have announced they are switching to, or the CCS charging port currently common on most non-Tesla EVs.
The chargers will be installed at various BP-owned locations including TravelCenters of America, Thorntons and Amoco locations, the company said. Some will also be installed at third-party locations, such as Hertz centers, as part of a previously announced deal.
BP Pulse, BP’s EV charging business, operates 27,000 charging points currently and has announced plans for rapid expansion.
 
How and why to turn your electric car into a mobile power plant
Extreme weather events are making this capability essential

If you’re planning to buy an electric car in 2024, you’ll want to compare models’ price, range and charging speed. But you should also ask whether the car is capable of powering your home in a pinch. A growing number of EVs coming on the market can tap the considerable energy stored in their batteries to keep the lights on during a blackout and lower your utility bill when rates spike.
This “bidirectional charging” capability also promises to transform electric vehicles into a significant source of energy for utilities struggling to balance renewable energy production and climate-caused power disruptions. As EV sales grow, utilities can aggregate batteries into virtual power plants to avoid firing up fossil fuel power stations when demand spikes.
The 2.1 million electric vehicles now on the road in the U.S. boast an estimated 126 gigawatt-hours of battery storage, according to a paper published in September by the nonprofit Smart Electric Power Alliance (SEPA). That’s five times the amount of battery storage currently connected to the grid.

“The need for backup power and resilience is becoming more front and center as we see more of these extreme weather events and grid outages in different areas in the U.S.,” says Garrett Fitzgerald, a senior director at SEPA. California, for example, is routinely impacted by blackouts from wildfires and heat waves. A quarter of new car sales in the state are now electric,* and EVs account for more than 40% of sales in some Bay Area ZIP codes.

When Ford launched its electric F-150 Lightning pick-up in 2022, the automaker touted the truck’s 131-kilowatt-hour battery pack, which can power a dwelling for days with the installation of a bidirectional charger and a home power-management system. A Tesla Powerwall home battery, on the other hand, generates 13.5 kWh.*
“It's basically 10 stationary battery storage units on one truck,” says Ryan O’Gorman, energy services business strategy lead at Ford. As more people work from home, bidirectional charging also lets vehicle owners capitalize on an expensive asset that would otherwise sit idle in their driveway, he adds.
Hyundai Motor Co.’s Ioniq 5 and Kia Corp.’s EV6 also feature bidirectional batteries, as does the EV 9, Kia’s forthcoming full-size SUV. General Motors Co. recently announced that its new line of Ultium electric vehicles will be bidirectional. The Nissan Leaf is bidirectional and Rivian has said its trucks and SUVs are* equipped for two-way charging.
 
How and why to turn your electric car into a mobile power plant
Extreme weather events are making this capability essential

If you’re planning to buy an electric car in 2024, you’ll want to compare models’ price, range and charging speed. But you should also ask whether the car is capable of powering your home in a pinch. A growing number of EVs coming on the market can tap the considerable energy stored in their batteries to keep the lights on during a blackout and lower your utility bill when rates spike.
This “bidirectional charging” capability also promises to transform electric vehicles into a significant source of energy for utilities struggling to balance renewable energy production and climate-caused power disruptions. As EV sales grow, utilities can aggregate batteries into virtual power plants to avoid firing up fossil fuel power stations when demand spikes.
The 2.1 million electric vehicles now on the road in the U.S. boast an estimated 126 gigawatt-hours of battery storage, according to a paper published in September by the nonprofit Smart Electric Power Alliance (SEPA). That’s five times the amount of battery storage currently connected to the grid.

“The need for backup power and resilience is becoming more front and center as we see more of these extreme weather events and grid outages in different areas in the U.S.,” says Garrett Fitzgerald, a senior director at SEPA. California, for example, is routinely impacted by blackouts from wildfires and heat waves. A quarter of new car sales in the state are now electric,* and EVs account for more than 40% of sales in some Bay Area ZIP codes.

When Ford launched its electric F-150 Lightning pick-up in 2022, the automaker touted the truck’s 131-kilowatt-hour battery pack, which can power a dwelling for days with the installation of a bidirectional charger and a home power-management system. A Tesla Powerwall home battery, on the other hand, generates 13.5 kWh.*
“It's basically 10 stationary battery storage units on one truck,” says Ryan O’Gorman, energy services business strategy lead at Ford. As more people work from home, bidirectional charging also lets vehicle owners capitalize on an expensive asset that would otherwise sit idle in their driveway, he adds.
Hyundai Motor Co.’s Ioniq 5 and Kia Corp.’s EV6 also feature bidirectional batteries, as does the EV 9, Kia’s forthcoming full-size SUV. General Motors Co. recently announced that its new line of Ultium electric vehicles will be bidirectional. The Nissan Leaf is bidirectional and Rivian has said its trucks and SUVs are* equipped for two-way charging.

Just how much will that upgrade cost? How long until it becomes cost effective? 50 years?
 
How and why to turn your electric car into a mobile power plant
Extreme weather events are making this capability essential

If you’re planning to buy an electric car in 2024, you’ll want to compare models’ price, range and charging speed. But you should also ask whether the car is capable of powering your home in a pinch. A growing number of EVs coming on the market can tap the considerable energy stored in their batteries to keep the lights on during a blackout and lower your utility bill when rates spike.
This “bidirectional charging” capability also promises to transform electric vehicles into a significant source of energy for utilities struggling to balance renewable energy production and climate-caused power disruptions. As EV sales grow, utilities can aggregate batteries into virtual power plants to avoid firing up fossil fuel power stations when demand spikes.
The 2.1 million electric vehicles now on the road in the U.S. boast an estimated 126 gigawatt-hours of battery storage, according to a paper published in September by the nonprofit Smart Electric Power Alliance (SEPA). That’s five times the amount of battery storage currently connected to the grid.

“The need for backup power and resilience is becoming more front and center as we see more of these extreme weather events and grid outages in different areas in the U.S.,” says Garrett Fitzgerald, a senior director at SEPA. California, for example, is routinely impacted by blackouts from wildfires and heat waves. A quarter of new car sales in the state are now electric,* and EVs account for more than 40% of sales in some Bay Area ZIP codes.

When Ford launched its electric F-150 Lightning pick-up in 2022, the automaker touted the truck’s 131-kilowatt-hour battery pack, which can power a dwelling for days with the installation of a bidirectional charger and a home power-management system. A Tesla Powerwall home battery, on the other hand, generates 13.5 kWh.*
“It's basically 10 stationary battery storage units on one truck,” says Ryan O’Gorman, energy services business strategy lead at Ford. As more people work from home, bidirectional charging also lets vehicle owners capitalize on an expensive asset that would otherwise sit idle in their driveway, he adds.
Hyundai Motor Co.’s Ioniq 5 and Kia Corp.’s EV6 also feature bidirectional batteries, as does the EV 9, Kia’s forthcoming full-size SUV. General Motors Co. recently announced that its new line of Ultium electric vehicles will be bidirectional. The Nissan Leaf is bidirectional and Rivian has said its trucks and SUVs are* equipped for two-way charging.
Rivian may not be around much longer they are hemorrhaging money.
 
My Tesla just keeps getting better and better EVEN AFTER I BUY IT!


Tesla has spent much of the year slashing the ticket value of its vehicles, even reducing prices at the start of October in response to a slight dip in sales during the third quarter.*
And it has demonstrated the potential for its “over-the-air” updates with a remarkable improvement in camera quality.
Posting on X, formerly known as Twitter, Tesla enthusiast showed a side-by-side image of the camera quality pre-update and the improvements after.
The image clarity is greatly improved in all three examples, presumably from the rear and the side cameras.
They described the update as a “game changer,” and people commenting on Electrek’s website clearly felt the same.*
“That is an impressive improvement!” one user said. “And it shows how much ‘camera quality’ these days is done in software rather than on the sensor side.”
“I love this update,” another said. “When my cameras kick in they look so much nicer now.”
Electrek noted that this software update follows a new safety feature that automatically activates and speeds up hazard lights if the vehicle is involved in a crash.*

Meanwhile, the outlet also noted the latest camera update will be available to customers with the HW3 self-driving hardware system, not just the HW4.*
Tesla’s vehicle improvements are yet another selling point for customers looking for a car that produces zero tailpipe pollution.
 
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Toyota aims to put 1,000 km-range Lexus EV on the road by 2026

Toyota unveiled a Lexus concept car with a roughly 1,000 kilometre range on Wednesday that it aims to roll out by 2026, part of the Japanese automaker's strategic pivot to EVs reliant on advanced battery technology.
The LF-ZC concept car, which debuted at the Japan Mobility Show, uses "prismatic, high-performance" batteries that achieve around twice the range of conventional EVs - or around 1,000 kilometres (620 miles).
"The key to achieving these breakthroughs is parts minimalisation and reduction across the board, including smaller, more efficient batteries with more power and more range," Toyota Chief Branding Officer Simon Humphries said at a press briefing introducing the concept model.
The world's top-selling automaker announced in June an ambitious plan to ramp up in battery EVs, including the launch of the next-generation lithium-ion batteries that offer longer ranges and quicker charging.
It also said it had achieved a "breakthrough" in overcoming problems previously identified with the durability in solid-state batteries. It aims to sell vehicles powered by solid-state batteries - considered a potential "game changer" for the industry because of their range and performance - by 2027 or 2028.

Li-ion batteries still have the same joules per mole of lithium as always. This is physics that you STILL ignore. There is no 'next generation'. All Toyota has done is improve the manufacturing process, making the batteries somewhat cheaper (they still have to pay for the raw materials for them!).

The only way to improve range is to use a BIGGER battery.

Charging limitations still apply, since it is a function of heat as you charge. The faster the charge, the more heat generated within the battery. Charging a battery is moving ions, dummy.
 
BP buys $100 million worth of Tesla chargers
Nov 2, 2023 | 1:15 PM
Oil and gas company BP has agreed to purchase $100 million worth of electric vehicle chargers from Tesla. This marks the first time Tesla has ever sold chargers to another company, according to an announcement from BP.
BP will begin installing the chargers next year. The company is purchasing 250 kilowatt fast chargers, the sort usually called Superchargers by Tesla. These chargers will be branded with a “BP Pulse” logo and will be used as part of BP’s own charging network.
The chargers will be able to power vehicles with either Tesla’s NACS charging port, which many other automakers have announced they are switching to, or the CCS charging port currently common on most non-Tesla EVs.
The chargers will be installed at various BP-owned locations including TravelCenters of America, Thorntons and Amoco locations, the company said. Some will also be installed at third-party locations, such as Hertz centers, as part of a previously announced deal.
BP Pulse, BP’s EV charging business, operates 27,000 charging points currently and has announced plans for rapid expansion.

All subsidized.
 
How and why to turn your electric car into a mobile power plant
Extreme weather events are making this capability essential

If you’re planning to buy an electric car in 2024, you’ll want to compare models’ price, range and charging speed. But you should also ask whether the car is capable of powering your home in a pinch. A growing number of EVs coming on the market can tap the considerable energy stored in their batteries to keep the lights on during a blackout and lower your utility bill when rates spike.
This “bidirectional charging” capability also promises to transform electric vehicles into a significant source of energy for utilities struggling to balance renewable energy production and climate-caused power disruptions. As EV sales grow, utilities can aggregate batteries into virtual power plants to avoid firing up fossil fuel power stations when demand spikes.
The 2.1 million electric vehicles now on the road in the U.S. boast an estimated 126 gigawatt-hours of battery storage, according to a paper published in September by the nonprofit Smart Electric Power Alliance (SEPA). That’s five times the amount of battery storage currently connected to the grid.

“The need for backup power and resilience is becoming more front and center as we see more of these extreme weather events and grid outages in different areas in the U.S.,” says Garrett Fitzgerald, a senior director at SEPA. California, for example, is routinely impacted by blackouts from wildfires and heat waves. A quarter of new car sales in the state are now electric,* and EVs account for more than 40% of sales in some Bay Area ZIP codes.

When Ford launched its electric F-150 Lightning pick-up in 2022, the automaker touted the truck’s 131-kilowatt-hour battery pack, which can power a dwelling for days with the installation of a bidirectional charger and a home power-management system. A Tesla Powerwall home battery, on the other hand, generates 13.5 kWh.*
“It's basically 10 stationary battery storage units on one truck,” says Ryan O’Gorman, energy services business strategy lead at Ford. As more people work from home, bidirectional charging also lets vehicle owners capitalize on an expensive asset that would otherwise sit idle in their driveway, he adds.
Hyundai Motor Co.’s Ioniq 5 and Kia Corp.’s EV6 also feature bidirectional batteries, as does the EV 9, Kia’s forthcoming full-size SUV. General Motors Co. recently announced that its new line of Ultium electric vehicles will be bidirectional. The Nissan Leaf is bidirectional and Rivian has said its trucks and SUVs are* equipped for two-way charging.

You can't use it as a power plant and charge it at the same time. TANSTAAFL.
 
My Tesla just keeps getting better and better EVEN AFTER I BUY IT!


Tesla has spent much of the year slashing the ticket value of its vehicles, even reducing prices at the start of October in response to a slight dip in sales during the third quarter.*
And it has demonstrated the potential for its “over-the-air” updates with a remarkable improvement in camera quality.
Posting on X, formerly known as Twitter, Tesla enthusiast showed a side-by-side image of the camera quality pre-update and the improvements after.
The image clarity is greatly improved in all three examples, presumably from the rear and the side cameras.
They described the update as a “game changer,” and people commenting on Electrek’s website clearly felt the same.*
“That is an impressive improvement!” one user said. “And it shows how much ‘camera quality’ these days is done in software rather than on the sensor side.”
“I love this update,” another said. “When my cameras kick in they look so much nicer now.”
Electrek noted that this software update follows a new safety feature that automatically activates and speeds up hazard lights if the vehicle is involved in a crash.*

Meanwhile, the outlet also noted the latest camera update will be available to customers with the HW3 self-driving hardware system, not just the HW4.*
Tesla’s vehicle improvements are yet another selling point for customers looking for a car that produces zero tailpipe pollution.

Same improvements found on gasoline cars. Congratulations, Tesla. :laugh:
 
Electric cars are cheaper to run than gasoline cars because of their better energy efficiency. The EPA estimates that the electric Kia EV6, for instance, would cost $550 to fuel over the course of a year, while the gas-powered Kia K5 would cost $1950 to fuel.

Electric vehicles also tend to have lower maintenance costs, as electric motors and batteries require less routine care than gasoline engines do. They don't require regular oil changes, for instance. We've previously calculated that the cost to maintain an EV can be around a third of the cost to maintain an equivalent gas car over a period of five years.

https://www.caranddriver.com/research/a32781943/electric-cars-vs-gas-cars/

Now that you have the facts, you can see EVs are clearly better.
I rest my case.
 
You could lighten the car. Maybe remove the doors and most of the glass. Or remove most of the interior, things like the air conditioner, etc. Much lighter makes for longer range.

True, and the loss of the air conditioner and heater means less battery capacity is used on keeping the cabin comfortable as well. Of course, that means the car would be miserable to drive with no heat and no air conditioning. It would also mean quite a few days when the car can't be driven, since fogging of the windows would be a big problem. Oh that's right...you removed the doors and windows!

Since the weight of the battery and frame is the bulk of the weight, however, the savings by weight would be minimal.

Real bugs in the teeth driving! :D
 
Electric cars are cheaper to run than gasoline cars because of their better energy efficiency. The EPA estimates that the electric Kia EV6, for instance, would cost $550 to fuel over the course of a year, while the gas-powered Kia K5 would cost $1950 to fuel.

Electric vehicles also tend to have lower maintenance costs, as electric motors and batteries require less routine care than gasoline engines do. They don't require regular oil changes, for instance. We've previously calculated that the cost to maintain an EV can be around a third of the cost to maintain an equivalent gas car over a period of five years.

https://www.caranddriver.com/research/a32781943/electric-cars-vs-gas-cars/

Now that you have the facts, you can see EVs are clearly better.
I rest my case.

EVs use almost twice as much energy as a gasoline car. They are HORRIBLY inefficient.
They also have HIGHER maintenance costs, not lower.
 
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A 2018 study by the University of Michigan’s Transportation Research Institute found that the average cost to fuel an electric car was $485 a year, compared to $1,117 for a gas-powered vehicle. A 2020 Consumer Reports study similarly showed that EV drivers tend to spend about 60 percent less each year on fuel costs compared to drivers of gas-powered cars.

Perhaps the best selling point of a vehicle with an electric motor is the zen-like experience in the passenger cabin. That’s because electric vehicles are quieter and offer smoother acceleration and deceleration, devoid of the vibrations, gear shifting and sounds of the internal combustion engine. Electric vehicles also have a lower center of gravity, which improves handling, responsiveness and safety.

Electric motors also generate instant linear torque, which cannot be matched by internal combustion engines. For that reason, they can easily outperform any gasoline vehicle.

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True, and the loss of the air conditioner and heater means less battery capacity is used on keeping the cabin comfortable as well. Of course, that means the car would be miserable to drive with no heat and no air conditioning. It would also mean quite a few days when the car can't be driven, since fogging of the windows would be a big problem. Oh that's right...you removed the doors and windows!

Since the weight of the battery and frame is the bulk of the weight, however, the savings by weight would be minimal.

Real bugs in the teeth driving! :D

You just go old school...

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Best of all, it has its own diesel generator driven charging station installed in the back of it!
 
A 2018 study by the University of Michigan’s Transportation Research Institute found that the average cost to fuel an electric car was $485 a year, compared to $1,117 for a gas-powered vehicle. A 2020 Consumer Reports study similarly showed that EV drivers tend to spend about 60 percent less each year on fuel costs compared to drivers of gas-powered cars.

Perhaps the best selling point of a vehicle with an electric motor is the zen-like experience in the passenger cabin. That’s because electric vehicles are quieter and offer smoother acceleration and deceleration, devoid of the vibrations, gear shifting and sounds of the internal combustion engine. Electric vehicles also have a lower center of gravity, which improves handling, responsiveness and safety.

Electric motors also generate instant linear torque, which cannot be matched by internal combustion engines. For that reason, they can easily outperform any gasoline vehicle.

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They cannot. Gasoline vehicles have an effective infinite range. EVs do not.
Gasoline vehicles can handle better due to their lighter weight. EVs are very heavy, and reduce maneuverability.
 
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