3,700 Kids Killed So Far

BartenderElite said:
I'm done on this thread. As I said before, I didn't think the idea that children are innocents who are worth protecting would be a controversial one.

And that's all it is. Both sides have innocent people - regular civilians who are just trying to work & get through life, and children. To try to portray either side monolithically is exactly what contributes to the perpetual cycle of hate. Once we start seeing people as individuals, we'll move forward in a much more positive direction.
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If you protect those kids over the lives of Jewish children you are being controversial. If you can explain how the IDF can obliterate Hamas without also killing innocent civilians I'M ALL EARS because I don't want innocent Palestinians killed even if Hamas does. If you can't do that you are in my opinion just virtue signaling.
 
BartenderElite said:
Seriously?

Once they're 18, they're not children. But I still feel compassion for them, as any Christian should. I can't imagine being raised to hate and to fight like some there have.

You are moving the goalposts all over the place. You didn't answer my question before. Why are some here arguing that most voted in Hamas? Why are some arguing that children are being armed? What is the point of that, aside from dehumanizing the population there so that we don't care about them?

Israel is going to do what they have to do, hopefully w/ care. There will be collateral damage, as there is in war. But some here are urging us not to care about that - that the innocents in Gaza are not worth caring about. That is indisputable.
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Some. They teach it in schools and I know they have been doing since at least 2007 because I saw similar videos then. They were evidence in the Holy Land Foundation trial. Palestinians were raising money as the "Holy Land Foundation" here in the USA and were giving the money to Hamas which did give some of the money as food and medicine to Palestinians but spent over half on weapons. The guy that ran the HLF here was the brother of one of the top leaders of Hamas.
 
BartenderElite said:
I'm done on this thread. As I said before, I didn't think the idea that children are innocents who are worth protecting would be a controversial one.

And that's all it is. Both sides have innocent people - regular civilians who are just trying to work & get through life, and children. To try to portray either side monolithically is exactly what contributes to the perpetual cycle of hate. Once we start seeing people as individuals, we'll move forward in a much more positive direction.
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Get a clue, Palestinian children are not innocents.

Chapter 8 The New Children of Terror
Brookings
https://www.brookings.edu › chapter8_20051215
PDF
by PW SINGER · Cited by 37 — weapons. At least thirty suicide bombing attacks have been carried out by youths since the Israel-Palestine conflict sparked up again in 2000.15 Possi- bly

The infants are innocents but not the children.
 
guno said:
And where do you get that figure?

All casualty figures are from Hamas- not exactly a reliable source.
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Huffington Post quoting The Washington Post. Even our Jewish Secretary of State is telling Israel to cool it with the bombing and Israel has no stronger ally than us.
 
martin said:
Huffington Post quoting The Washington Post. Even our Jewish Secretary of State is telling Israel to cool it with the bombing and Israel has no stronger ally than us.
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Even the Jewish PM, Netanyahu, is telling Biden "no pause until all hostages are released."

Poor Marty.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
My grapevine is saying that the world bungled its way into WW1 and because WW2 was in many ways a second phase of that war then that too...and it sure looks like we are doing it again.
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do you speak Chinese or do you have to use Google translate to find out what your grapevine tells you.......
 
BartenderElite said:
See that? You just did EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

It is genuinely shocking to me.

My conscience is clear. I'm one of the few on this thread & even on this board advocating for innocents on both sides. I'm not trying to marginalize anyone, or dehumanize them. And especially children, who make up a very large portion of the population in Gaza.

Children.
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IDF is not targeting innocents


If they were this war would have been over in the first week
 
Earl said:
Get a clue, Palestinian children are not innocents.

Chapter 8 The New Children of Terror
Brookings
https://www.brookings.edu › chapter8_20051215
PDF
by PW SINGER · Cited by 37 — weapons. At least thirty suicide bombing attacks have been carried out by youths since the Israel-Palestine conflict sparked up again in 2000.15 Possi- bly

The infants are innocents but not the children.
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This one's a keeper.
 
BartenderElite said:
See that? You just did EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

It is genuinely shocking to me.

My conscience is clear. I'm one of the few on this thread & even on this board advocating for innocents on both sides. I'm not trying to marginalize anyone, or dehumanize them. And especially children, who make up a very large portion of the population in Gaza.

Children.
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What about the Jewish kids in the future that will be killed if Hamas is allowed to escape.
 
Bartender is just virtue signalling. When pressed he said he thought the IDF was trying not to kill citizens. He then points his finger and makes the MASSIVE assumption the the right here WANT to kill Palestinian kids. I think most of us don't want kids killed . I also think most here are unwilling to sacrifice Jewish children in the future to potentially save Palestinian children now.

 
ExpressLane said:
Either or? I asked what YOU would do. No you have waded in with your opinion don't be shy now. Just tell us what the IDF should do in response to Hamas monstrous blood thirsty cowardly attack on civilians.
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Your signature with it's image gets in the way. Thought you might like to know. :palm:
 
Earl said:
Get a clue, Palestinian children are not innocents.

Chapter 8 The New Children of Terror
Brookings
https://www.brookings.edu › chapter8_20051215
PDF
by PW SINGER · Cited by 37 — weapons. At least thirty suicide bombing attacks have been carried out by youths since the Israel-Palestine conflict sparked up again in 2000.15 Possi- bly

The infants are innocents but not the children.
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So terrorist groups use children, and you believe that makes all children targets?
 
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