yes indeed, our police forces are held to a higher standard (sarcasm)

[SmarterthanYou]

Hazelwood Police Chief James Hudanick says an internal investigation is underway after a traffic stop Wednesday night.

It happened around 11:30 pm near Lindbergh and McDonnell. Joseph Hibler was pulled over for an expired license plate on his way home from a funeral.

Hibler says the officer told him he had an open warrant. The warrant stemmed from a citation from 2018 over no vehicle insurance. He described what was going through his mind when the officer told him to get out of the car and handcuff him.

“My children are in the car. There’s no way they’re going to take me away from my children,” Hibler said

A bystander captured the traffic stop on camera. Hibler is heard saying it “isn’t even serious” as police hold him against the squad car and moments later tase him.

Meanwhile, the four kids, ages 14, 13, 11 and one year old, sit in the car. The video shows police drive Hibler away and then check on the kids, asking if any of them have a driver’s license. But then officers leave the scene. Video from the bystander shows the car on the side of the road with the children inside.


https://www.kmov.com/2023/10/27/pol...hind-following-arrest-traffic-stop-hazelwood/

 

[ExpressLane]

Hazelwood Police Chief James Hudanick says an internal investigation is underway after a traffic stop Wednesday night.

It happened around 11:30 pm near Lindbergh and McDonnell. Joseph Hibler was pulled over for an expired license plate on his way home from a funeral.

Hibler says the officer told him he had an open warrant. The warrant stemmed from a citation from 2018 over no vehicle insurance. He described what was going through his mind when the officer told him to get out of the car and handcuff him.

“My children are in the car. There’s no way they’re going to take me away from my children,” Hibler said

A bystander captured the traffic stop on camera. Hibler is heard saying it “isn’t even serious” as police hold him against the squad car and moments later tase him.

Meanwhile, the four kids, ages 14, 13, 11 and one year old, sit in the car. The video shows police drive Hibler away and then check on the kids, asking if any of them have a driver’s license. But then officers leave the scene. Video from the bystander shows the car on the side of the road with the children inside.


https://www.kmov.com/2023/10/27/pol...hind-following-arrest-traffic-stop-hazelwood/

The police should be charged with child endangerment

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Two questions:

Did Hibler have priors, and if so, what were they?

Did the police allow Hibler or did they themselves, call someone Hibler gave a number for to come get the children?

I don't know the answer to the first question, but with the second, it doesn't appear the police did anything to deal with / protect the children.

 

[ExpressLane]

Two questions:

Did Hibler have priors, and if so, what were they?

Did the police allow Hibler or did they themselves, call someone Hibler gave a number for to come get the children?

I don't know the answer to the first question, but with the second, it doesn't appear the police did anything to deal with / protect the children.

Yeah it was the police's responsibility to makes sure the kids received care for at least 11 y.o and 1 y.o.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Two questions:

Did Hibler have priors, and if so, what were they?

Did the police allow Hibler or did they themselves, call someone Hibler gave a number for to come get the children?

I don't know the answer to the first question, but with the second, it doesn't appear the police did anything to deal with / protect the children.

answer to your first question: "The warrant stemmed from a citation from 2018 over no vehicle insurance. " the article does not state anything about a prior record, though I imagine in the interest of justifying tasing someone over a 2018 warrant for no vehicle insurance, they'd be listing any criminal record to make him look as bad as possible.

answer to the 2nd question, they did absolutely nothing.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

answer to your first question: "The warrant stemmed from a citation from 2018 over no vehicle insurance. " the article does not state anything about a prior record, though I imagine in the interest of justifying tasing someone over a 2018 warrant for no vehicle insurance, they'd be listing any criminal record to make him look as bad as possible.

Not necessarily. If the article's author wanted to paint the police as monsters, they would leave that detail out mentioning only what he was pulled over for. So, I'd like to see what his whole record looks like.

answer to the 2nd question, they did absolutely nothing.

That does appear to be the case.

 

[Jarod]

Hazelwood Police Chief James Hudanick says an internal investigation is underway after a traffic stop Wednesday night.

It happened around 11:30 pm near Lindbergh and McDonnell. Joseph Hibler was pulled over for an expired license plate on his way home from a funeral.

Hibler says the officer told him he had an open warrant. The warrant stemmed from a citation from 2018 over no vehicle insurance. He described what was going through his mind when the officer told him to get out of the car and handcuff him.

“My children are in the car. There’s no way they’re going to take me away from my children,” Hibler said

A bystander captured the traffic stop on camera. Hibler is heard saying it “isn’t even serious” as police hold him against the squad car and moments later tase him.

Meanwhile, the four kids, ages 14, 13, 11 and one year old, sit in the car. The video shows police drive Hibler away and then check on the kids, asking if any of them have a driver’s license. But then officers leave the scene. Video from the bystander shows the car on the side of the road with the children inside.


https://www.kmov.com/2023/10/27/pol...hind-following-arrest-traffic-stop-hazelwood/

Often our police are held to a lower standard, i've seen it first hand.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Hazelwood Police Chief James Hudanick says an internal investigation is underway after a traffic stop Wednesday night.

It happened around 11:30 pm near Lindbergh and McDonnell. Joseph Hibler was pulled over for an expired license plate on his way home from a funeral.

Hibler says the officer told him he had an open warrant. The warrant stemmed from a citation from 2018 over no vehicle insurance. He described what was going through his mind when the officer told him to get out of the car and handcuff him.

“My children are in the car. There’s no way they’re going to take me away from my children,” Hibler said

A bystander captured the traffic stop on camera. Hibler is heard saying it “isn’t even serious” as police hold him against the squad car and moments later tase him.

Meanwhile, the four kids, ages 14, 13, 11 and one year old, sit in the car. The video shows police drive Hibler away and then check on the kids, asking if any of them have a driver’s license. But then officers leave the scene. Video from the bystander shows the car on the side of the road with the children inside.


https://www.kmov.com/2023/10/27/pol...hind-following-arrest-traffic-stop-hazelwood/

1. There's two cops who'll not only become unemployed, but criminally charged with endangering minors.
2. The city of Hazelwood will have a major lawsuit filed against it.

From the link:
Hazelwood Police Chief Hudanick says it is their policy that minors should not be left unattended. The internal investigation will look into use of force from this incident as well as the policy surrounding passengers in the car. First Alert Four is working to learn the status of the offices and additional details of the investigation.

Hibler was released Thursday morning and no charges have been filed surrounding the traffic stop at this time.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Often our police are held to a lower standard, i've seen it first hand.

That's because very few want to be a police officer anymore. Both the Democrats and the Republicans keep undermining them to the point good, qualified people shy away from the job.

https://news.yahoo.com/shortage-police-officers-becoming-crisis-183900129.html
Shortage of police officers becoming 'a crisis across the country' as there are fewer cadets, more retirements

The "perfect storm" is developing in police departments as fewer candidates are entering the profession, police officers are being publicly criticized following the killing of unarmed Blacks, departments are slashing their budgets and officers are retiring faster than they can be replaced.

Michael Weinman, director of government affairs for the Fraternal Order of Police of Ohio, called the shortage of police officers "a crisis across the country

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/us-experiencing-police-hiring-crisis-rcna103600
The U.S. is experiencing a police hiring crisis
America is in a police officer shortage that many in law enforcement blame on both the coronavirus pandemic and criticism of police.

As Goodhue Police Chief Josh Smith struggled this summer to fill vacancies in his small department, he warned the town’s City Council that unless pay and benefits improved, finding new officers would never happen.

When nothing changed, Smith quit. So did his few remaining officers, leading the Minnesota town of 1,300 residents to shutter its police force in late August.

America is in the midst of a police officer shortage that many in law enforcement blame on the twofold morale hit of 2020 — the coronavirus pandemic and criticism of police that boiled over with the murder of George Floyd by a police officer. From Minnesota to Maine, Ohio to Texas, small towns unable to fill jobs are eliminating their police departments and turning over police work to their county sheriff, a neighboring town or state police.

The trend isn’t altogether new....

 

[archives]

Hazelwood Police Chief James Hudanick says an internal investigation is underway after a traffic stop Wednesday night.

It happened around 11:30 pm near Lindbergh and McDonnell. Joseph Hibler was pulled over for an expired license plate on his way home from a funeral.

Hibler says the officer told him he had an open warrant. The warrant stemmed from a citation from 2018 over no vehicle insurance. He described what was going through his mind when the officer told him to get out of the car and handcuff him.

“My children are in the car. There’s no way they’re going to take me away from my children,” Hibler said

A bystander captured the traffic stop on camera. Hibler is heard saying it “isn’t even serious” as police hold him against the squad car and moments later tase him.

Meanwhile, the four kids, ages 14, 13, 11 and one year old, sit in the car. The video shows police drive Hibler away and then check on the kids, asking if any of them have a driver’s license. But then officers leave the scene. Video from the bystander shows the car on the side of the road with the children inside.


https://www.kmov.com/2023/10/27/pol...hind-following-arrest-traffic-stop-hazelwood/

So police in America there probably make thousands of traffic stops a day and you are using one bad situation to characterize all police?

 

[archives]

That's because no one wants to be a police officer anymore.

America is in a police officer shortage that many in law enforcement blame on both the coronavirus pandemic and criticism of police.

As it is with teachers in America

 

[Dutch Uncle]

As it is with teachers in America

Agreed. Americans are undercutting themselves and their kids.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

So police in America there probably make thousands of traffic stops a day and you are using one bad situation to characterize all police?

He hates the police...especially the FBI. Not his first thread bitching about law enforcement.

 

[Jarod]

That's because very few want to be a police officer anymore. Both the Democrats and the Republicans keep undermining them to the point good, qualified people shy away from the job.

https://news.yahoo.com/shortage-police-officers-becoming-crisis-183900129.html
Shortage of police officers becoming 'a crisis across the country' as there are fewer cadets, more retirements


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/us-experiencing-police-hiring-crisis-rcna103600
The U.S. is experiencing a police hiring crisis
America is in a police officer shortage that many in law enforcement blame on both the coronavirus pandemic and criticism of police.

A cop pulled her gun on me two years ago for a parking violation as my kids were loading up the truck, when I filed a complaint they refused to address it. I had it on video.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

A cop pulled her gun on me two years ago for a parking violation as my kids were loading up the truck, when I filed a complaint they refused to address it. I had it on video.

Blue city?

Did you file suit?

 

[Jarod]

Blue city?

Did you file suit?

Very wealthy condo on the beach community.

What was I going to show for damages if I filed suit? She did not shoot me, and once I called the department and asked for a supervisor she backed down.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Very wealthy condo on the beach community.

What was I going to show for damages if I filed suit? She did not shoot me, and once I called the department and asked for a supervisor she backed down.

You're the lawyer. Fear of life? Unlawful endangering you and your kids? Reckless use of a firearm? Not all lawsuits involve money. Just the publicity is enough to cause the Mayor or police department to issue an apology, change their procedures and reprimand, if not terminate, the reckless officer.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

So police in America there probably make thousands of traffic stops a day and you are using one bad situation to characterize all police?

for over 10 years here i've been posting police misconduct.........and with the exception of the last couple of years, I posted over a dozen on a daily basis. I don't do it much anymore because you idiots don't care about it, unless it falls under your agenda, either to show 'systemic racism', or the thug culture run amok...........

so, the same way you gutless fucks use the MINISCULE amount of shootings, compared to the number of gun owners, why do YOU use those to characterize all gun owners?

to coin your phrase of all gun owners are law abiding, until they are not......all cops are good, until they are not.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

A cop pulled her gun on me two years ago for a parking violation as my kids were loading up the truck, when I filed a complaint they refused to address it. I had it on video.

if you were truly a lawyer and a former prosecutor, you would already know that the courts have stated that there is no constitutional right to NOT have the government point guns at you.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

You're the lawyer. Fear of life? Unlawful endangering you and your kids? Reckless use of a firearm? Not all lawsuits involve money. Just the publicity is enough to cause the Mayor or police department to issue an apology, change their procedures and reprimand, if not terminate, the reckless officer.

99% of the time, the city settles while claiming that there was no wrongdoing. If, by some miracle, the cop is fired, the union arbitration almost always gets the cop his/her job back, with backpay. That, or the cop finds another job with another agency.

you claim I hate police, mostly because you're just a fucking idiot, but what I hate is the no accountability because of statist fucking morons like yourself.