What labor union victory looks like

[Cypress]

There you go with Tacoma again

And in Texas those soccer dads drive Trucks. When my son was young we owned a minivan and a Truck. I won't disagree that minivans are great people haulers I liked mine. It was great for hauling my son's soccer team in to eat pizza after the game. But YOU are moving the soccer goalposts. And I still couldn't pull my boats or my 5th wheel with a minivan I said full size trucks are more roomy than sedans. And virtually every available car option is also available in trucks.

I do see a lot of women driving trucks in Texas though.


Texas leads the nation in pickup truck sales volume. In 2014, Texas sold 322,000 pickups, which was 15% of the total 2.1 million pickups sold in the U.S.. One fourth of all new vehicles sold in Texas are pickup trucks.
Texas ranks 23rd in the nation for the state's total vehicle share. However, Texas ranks 14th in pickups' share of new-vehicle sales.

I notice how you said driving big ass Trucks was biased towards men.

Thanks for confirming my thesis that truck commercials are not marketing to farm work or lumber transportation. They are appealing to the fantasies men have of being rugged active outdoorsmen, aka penis extenders.

 

[ExpressLane]

The free market determines which is superior.


99 percent of Moms with kids I know prefer minivans or SUVs for them and their kids. I assume for the comfort and convenience.

It is very rare to see a soccer Mom roll into the soccer field with her kids in a Ford F-250, or extended cab Tacoma.

Yes it will

Light Trucks Now Outselling Cars 3-to-1

New trucks are outselling new cars at a record pace of more than 3-to-1. At that rate, owners of sedans, hatchbacks, coupes and convertibles might need a periscope to see over all the new trucks on the road.

 

[ExpressLane]

All you have to do is remember all the car commercials for Jeep Cherokees and Toyota Tacomas. They are not being marketed as farm vehicles or transportation for lumber and cordes of firewood.

They are marketed to the fantasy of the rugged outdoorsman and woman.

And both of them can tow a boat.

 

[ExpressLane]

I notice how you said driving big ass Trucks was biased towards men.

Thanks for confirming my thesis that truck commercials are not marketing to farm work or lumber transportation. They are appealing to the fantasies men have of being rugged active outdoorsmen, aka penis extenders.

Men are larger and appreciate the extra room. For example I'm 6'5" and my wife is 5'6" and I hate driving her Lincoln she frequently uses my truck. Most men are the guys that haul boats and move things like furniture or camping gear etcs. Women don't generally need a truck and if they do they use their husbands trucks. The women that I see driving trucks as their only car are typically single and like the independence it offers them. They don't have to borrow a truck to move things.

The discussion was about F250 and 350 and yes most of them are used for hauling weight of over 5,000 lbs. My son has a F150 and a travel trailer. His F150 can tow it but he uses my truck to pull it in the mountains. His truck labors in the mountain and mine pulls it effortlessly. But his lifestyle kayaking biking etc works with a truck better plus his SWAT gear pretty much fills his short bed truck up. He has it in plastic tubs and it goes everywhere with him. I used ro do the same thing with medical books when I worked in the ER just in case I wanted to look something up.

Plus I assure you I don't heed a penis extender.

 

[Uncensored2008]

You are lying again. The 2023 Ford Maverick has an MSRP of $22,595, which is much less than $50k. The 2023 Ford Ranger has an MSRP of $28,895. The 2023 Chevrolet Colorado has an MSRP of $29,200. The 2023 Ram 1500 Classic has an MSRP of $31,270. If you are willing to go foreign, you can go a little less... Though $23k is hard to beat.

These truck prices are heavily tied to the incomes of the people who buy them. The car makers literally have to wait until those people make more money to charge them more. There is virtually no elasticity in those markets.

They may not be the trucks you want, but for a certain portion of the working population, they are the trucks they need. You may want the $100k truck. If you have the money, have fun.

I will point out that getting more truck or car than you need is almost always a fools game.

Ah the Mavrick, an actual "Vaporware Truck" - exists only in sales literature. Put 50% down now, and maybe in 5 years Ford will actually start making them.

The others are mini-trucks.

So let's talk about the Ranger, which actually starts at,

Ranger® | Build & Price | Shop.ford.com

Of course to get addons like a radio, air conditioning, bed liner, etc. will push it north of $50K

I could look up your other claims, but why bother - we all know what the results would be.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Actually, it was nearly impossible at points there to even buy a new truck when trump was in office. They were actually selling above MSRP.

That was actually during Xi's Biden Regime.

2022, the great car shortage. Even now prices are inflated due to all the cash Biden dumped into the economy. Biden bucks shoveled by the trillions to people caused them to go out looking for a new car.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Almost NONE of that is true. The chips weren't there because of covid people bought more phones and computers. And GM alone had 95,000 unfinished cars. Cars that were finished offend commanded over MSRP prices.


https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-semiconductors-chips-shortage/

Walt knows a LOT of things.

Unfortunately, most of what he knows simply isn't true.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Tough realities:
If you are a tradesperson who needs a new top of the line F-350 every year, then you must be getting enough income to pay for it. If not, then you are performing a high price hobby.

Having a high price hobby is fine, but do not complain that you are living paycheck to paycheck when you spending your money on this hobby. No one said free markets were going to be generous with you.

The F-350 is a rare beast that must be pre-ordered. Generally those would be used to pull car carriers or heavy equipment such as bulldozers or cranes. Even the F-250 is less than common. 90% of Ford Trucks are F-150's.

 

[Nordberg]

The benefits that Americans got were all fought for and won by unions. Non-union places had to match the benefits to get and retain workers. When I was at GM, the engineers watched the union negotiations carefully, knowing that what they got in a contract, would be given to us, GM did not want engineering and the offices to unionize.
What unions won was spread about businesses. They had to match to get good workers. We can all see as union power faded, benefits shrunk, copays grew and security plunged.

 

[Cypress]

The benefits that Americans got were all fought for and won by unions. Non-union places had to match the benefits to get and retain workers. When I was at GM, the engineers watched the union negotiations carefully, knowing that what they got in a contract, would be given to us, GM did not want engineering and the offices to unionize.
What unions won was spread about businesses. They had to match to get good workers. We can all see as union power faded, benefits shrunk, copays grew and security plunged.

Agreed,, unions set the standard for wages and benefits that lift the prospects for even non union workers in the same industry.

I've met some conservative, anti-union people who still throw elbows to aquire union standard wages and benefits.