Foreign Policy Trump vs Biden

ExpressLane said:
Trump has Iran poor. Iran's proxies were poor. He negotiated peace between Israel and the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, and Morocco. The world was not on the verge of WWIII. Hamas had not slaughtered 30 Americans and didn't hold 12 American hostages.

Biden has Iran rich. Iran's proxies are well financed. The World is on the edge of WWIII Hamas slaughtered 30 Americans and took 12 American hostages.

Who's foreign police is or was it better? Explain why you think so.
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Only if you watch and believe Fox

Otherwise, Trump, with his American first bilateral bullshit allowed China to spread its influence across the globe even into the EU. And when Trump quit the Iran deal so did China and Russia, allowing Iran to accelerate their efforts toward nuclear potential while opening up new markets for their oil

And while we are on it, Trump, for the first time in history, granted world wide recognition for his “lover” little Rocket Man who also took the opportunity to further advance his nuclear potential. Trump also jeopardized America’s traditional democratic allies while embarrassing American intelligence services in full public display by reinforcing his bromance with Vladimir.

We could go on but why, any MAGA militia wouldn’t even know of any of Trump’s f*ckups since they never read, listen, or watch any news source that doesn’t tell them what they want to hear, that the Messiah is the Messiah, and can do you wrong
 
Lionfish said:
Yes, we have been down this rabbit hole many times.

Did Russia invade Ukraine under Trump?
Did N. Korea fire missiles over So. Korea and Japan under Trump?
Did Hamas attack Israel under Trump?
Did China surround Taiwan under Trump?

Don't answer, just go sit in your basement and weep.
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Broken record.

Again: in your estimation, then - Hamas sat around, and even though they knew that they would get maximum reprisals from Israel, decided NOT to attack under Trump - because they were just so afraid of him. And then they waited a few years into the Biden admin, just for good measure.

Do I have that right?

And interesting that you mention N. Korea, whose nuclear capability increased significantly under Trump. And Syria was a mess under Trump. And global inflation started under Trump. And....well, you get the picture. Stuff happens around the world under every President. But to credit or blame a President for anything - you have to show CAUSALITY.
 
BartenderElite said:
Broken record.

Again: in your estimation, then - Hamas sat around, and even though they knew that they would get maximum reprisals from Israel, decided NOT to attack under Trump - because they were just so afraid of him. And then they waited a few years into the Biden admin, just for good measure.

Do I have that right?

And interesting that you mention N. Korea, whose nuclear capability increased significantly under Trump. And Syria was a mess under Trump. And global inflation started under Trump. And....well, you get the picture. Stuff happens around the world under every President. But to credit or blame a President for anything - you have to show CAUSALITY.
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Yes, you have the first paragraph correct. That also goes for China and Taiwan, N. Korea and Japan, and Russia and Ukraine.

As for your attempt at defending your indefensible position,
Nobody could stop N. Korea's nuclear program it had been under way long before Trump was in office. Might be interesting to see how Bush and Obama handled N. Korea.

Trump did a great job of keeping Iran's program at slow speed.

Syria has been, and will continue to be, a mess for hundreds of years. Who cares?

Trump didn't start Global inflation, that was a direct result of improper handling of the China Virus. See Sweden for the correct way to deal with it.
Brandon stumbled into office and day one reversed Trump's policies and promptly announced he was going to put the oil and coal companies out of business. That, my friend, is what screwed this country in the ass.
 
Lionfish said:
Yes, you have the first paragraph correct. That also goes for China and Taiwan, N. Korea and Japan, and Russia and Ukraine.

As for your attempt at defending your indefensible position,
Nobody could stop N. Korea's nuclear program it had been under way long before Trump was in office. Might be interesting to see how Bush and Obama handled N. Korea.

Trump did a great job of keeping Iran's program at slow speed.

Syria has been, and will continue to be, a mess for hundreds of years. Who cares?

Trump didn't start Global inflation, that was a direct result of improper handling of the China Virus. See Sweden for the correct way to deal with it.
Brandon stumbled into office and day one reversed Trump's policies and promptly announced he was going to put the oil and coal companies out of business. That, my friend, is what screwed this country in the ass.
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I mean, this whole response is just saying stuff.

Trump made America weaker, domestically & on the international stage. That is actually indisputable.
 
The only people who enjoyed watching an attempted insurrection for 3 hours more than Trump were America's enemies.

They love that there was an attempt to disrupt the peaceful transition of power. America moved closer to civil war under Trump (and this is something that is measured). Trump weakened our democracy, and didn't like NATO. He made us so much weaker on the world stage. He diminished us as a superpower.
 
BartenderElite said:
How do you ascribe a terrorist attack on Israel w/ anything Biden did or didn't do? Can you detail some causality there - something aside from "well, it happened while he was President?"
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Biden stopped enforcing the oil sanctions against Iran which earned them over 50 billion dollars which they financed Hamas Hezbollah with. Trump had Iran poor so they couldn't fund a strong terror campaign. But thanks for asking. Plus Biden's policy of appeasing Iran didn't help either. Trump droned Sulaimani and did not appease Iran.


Biden enriched Iran by more than $50 billion. Here’s how to turn off the spigot

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/1...-50-billion-heres-how-to-turn-off-the-spigot/
 
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ExpressLane said:
Trump has Iran poor. Iran's proxies were poor. He negotiated peace between Israel and the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, and Morocco. The world was not on the verge of WWIII. Hamas had not slaughtered 30 Americans and didn't hold 12 American hostages.

Biden has Iran rich. Iran's proxies are well financed. The World is on the edge of WWIII Hamas slaughtered 30 Americans and took 12 American hostages.

Who's foreign police is or was it better? Explain why you think so.
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I don't vote on foreign policy.

I vote on democratic core values against republican core values.
That's why I've voted a straight blue ticket every election since 1968.

And there were very important foreign policy issues affecting me personally in 1968.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
I don't vote on foreign policy.

I vote on democratic core values against republican core values.
That's why I've voted a straight blue ticket every election since 1968.

And there were very important foreign policy issues affecting me personally in 1968.
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Sad that you are worried only about yourself. You don't care if others die.
 
ExpressLane said:
More people died of COVID during the Biden administration than did during the Trump administration and Trump left Biden 3 vaccines.
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Too bad that Trump utterly failed in the deployment & administration of the vaccines, and created so much doubt w/ his followers that they actually booed him when he tried to shift positions and recommend it.
 
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