They miscalculated’: Ukraine turns the tables on Russia’s Black Sea Fleet

[ExpressLane]

Where did Hawkeye go to?

 

[Hawkeye10]

Are you talking about the old Berlin Wall?

I am talking about what Putin et al have been saying over the last few months. Russians are very sad about how we have decided to treat them but they have made other arrangements, they will be fine.

The West will not be...the West is dying....very hard times are ahead for us.

 

[Bigdog]

I am talking about what Putin et al have been saying over the last few months. Russians are very sad about how we have decided to treat them but they have made other arrangements, they will be fine.

The West will not be...the West is dying....very hard times are ahead for us.

What "treatment" do you equate to an iron curtain?

 

[Bigdog]

Putin isn't going to use nukes. China wouldn't like it.

We can only speculate.

China might prefer taking back some of its Russian occupied territories and grabbing whatever else they can if Russia collapsed into chaos.

Losing Sevastopol makes Putin an utter disgrace to Russia and himself.

He might be the type who would prefer to go out in a blaze of glory.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

It might push Vlad to use a nuke, once he is sure the port is lost for good.

his nukes are fifty years old.....do you think they still work?......probably rusted to the launch pads by now......

 

[ExpressLane]

We can only speculate.

China might prefer taking back some of its Russian occupied territories and grabbing whatever else they can if Russia collapsed into chaos.

Losing Sevastopol makes Putin an utter disgrace to Russia and himself.

He might be the type who would prefer to go out in a blaze of glory.

Putin is too much of a narcissist to kill himself. He will run like a cock roach if confronted with his death. His generals won't launch a nuke because they would know they and their own families would die.

 

[Bigdog]

Putin is too much of a narcissist to kill himself. He will run like a cock roach if confronted with his death. His generals won't launch a nuke because they would know they and their own families would die.

I'm just speculating, ... not making a prediction.

I hope you are right, brother

 

[Bigdog]

his nukes are fifty years old.....do you think they still work?......probably rusted to the launch pads by now......

He's got all those mobile launchers on trucks. Russian gear may lack quality control, but it is pretty hardy overall.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

He's got all those mobile launchers on trucks. Russian gear may lack quality control, but it is pretty hardy overall.

yeah the Ukraine war has shown us their hardiness......caption on this was 70 year old naval artillery weapon attached to 40 year old tank captured in Ukraine....

from a blocked Forbes article...

 

[PostmodernProphet]

maybe they can attach a nuclear warhead to a Palastinian parasail......

 

[Bigdog]

maybe they can attach a nuclear warhead to a Palastinian parasail......

Or put it on a donkey cart. :0)

The Russkies do continue to modernize and replace soviet era weapons.
https://fas.org/publication/nuclear-notebook-russian-nuclear-weapons-2023/

I assume they still have biological and chemical munitons, too.

Plugs Biden has caused the whole world to erupt in chaos and violence.

 

[Walt]

Maybe Russia will send its one Aircraft Carrier if they can get it to start.

To make matters worse, they are banned from moving navy ships into and out of the Black Sea while there is a war. They moved everything they could in just before the war, and now they are stuck with what they have.

That means even if they could get the Kuznetsov started, they would not be able to bring it up against Ukraine. Not to mention they have no pilots that are current at flying from a carrier... And I could go on and on.

 

[ExpressLane]

To make matters worse, they are banned from moving navy ships into and out of the Black Sea while there is a war. They moved everything they could in just before the war, and now they are stuck with what they have.

That means even if they could get the Kuznetsov started, they would not be able to bring it up against Ukraine. Not to mention they have no pilots that are current at flying from a carrier... And I could go on and on.

Yeah Turkey won't let them move any more ships into the black sea.

 

[Lightbringer]

To make matters worse, they are banned from moving navy ships into and out of the Black Sea while there is a war. They moved everything they could in just before the war, and now they are stuck with what they have.

That means even if they could get the Kuznetsov started, they would not be able to bring it up against Ukraine. Not to mention they have no pilots that are current at flying from a carrier... And I could go on and on.

I don't believe you could go on and on.

 

[Lightbringer]

Yeah Turkey won't let them move any more ships into the black sea.

Turkey has no choice in the matter...sockpuppet.

 

[Earl]

Yeah Turkey won't let them move any more ships into the black sea.

Indeed.

Check Mate.

 

[Lightbringer]

Indeed.

Uh huh.

 

[Earl]

Putin is too much of a narcissist to kill himself. He will run like a cock roach if confronted with his death. His generals won't launch a nuke because they would know they and their own families would die.

Indeed!

 

[Lightbringer]

Indeed!

Uh huh. Sockpuppet.

 

[Earl]

They miscalculated’: Ukraine turns the tables on Russia’s Black Sea Fleet
Kyiv, Ukraine – “Russian warship, go f*** yourself!” is the phrase dating back to the first days of the Russia-Ukrainian war, that spawned countless memes and bumper stickers.

It is what Ukrainian servicemen stationed on the Zmiiny Island, or Snake Island, in the Black Sea replied to the Russian warship’s urge to surrender.

But by early 2022, the Russian Black Sea Fleet based in annexed Crimea, seemed to have gained absolute control over Ukraine’s territorial waters in the Black Sea and its smaller, shallower sibling, the Sea of Azov.

Its larger ships shelled Ukraine’s main seaport, Odesa, and other southern cities with missiles and drones, killing civilians and destroying apartment buildings, military installations and port infrastructure.

Smaller Russian navy vessels stopped and officiously inspected merchant ships carrying grain and sunflower oil, Ukraine’s key exports.

Russian navy felt at ease in all of the Black Sea’s northern part – but after almost 600 days of war, the tables have turned.

“They miscalculated,” Lieutenant General Ihor Romanenko, the former deputy chief of Ukraine’s general staff of armed forces, told Al Jazeera. “We won’t let them rest and won’t rest ourselves until we fully de-occupy our lands.”

Fleeing Sevastopol
Satellite imagery shows that at least a dozen Russian vessels, including guided missile frigates, landing ships and submarines, have been hastily relocated from their main base in Sevastopol, a subtropical port in annexed Crimea.

Most were moved to the Russian port of Novorossiisk more than 300km (186 miles) east of Sevastopol, or on other, smaller bases or bays in eastern Crimea or along Russia’s Black Sea coast.

British Defence Minister James Heappey compared the “functional defeat of the Black Sea Fleet” to the liberation of Kharkiv Oblast one year ago.


“The fleet has been forced to disperse to ports from which it cannot have an effect on Ukraine,” he said on Tuesday.

The relocation follows a series of daring Ukrainian attacks with Western-supplied cruise missiles and domestically assembled aerial and naval drones that destroyed flagships, smaller cutters and even a docked submarine.

A satellite image shows smoke billowing from a Russian Black Sea Navy HQ after a missile strike, as Russia's invasion of Ukraine continues, in Sevastopol, Crimea, September 22, 2023.

A satellite image shows smoke billowing from a Russian Black Sea Navy HQ after a missile attack in Sevastopol, Crimea, September 22, 2023 [Planet Labs PBC/Handout via Reuters]
They also annihilated two advanced S-400 air defence systems creating sizeable “holes” in the sky over Crimea.

And, most importantly, they damaged a major shipyard with a dry dock that was essential for repairing decades-old Russian ships.

“What was critical for Russia wasn’t damage to vessels, it was damage to the shipyard,” Kyiv-based analyst Ihar Tyshkevich told Al Jazeera. “This is the reason why a large part of the Black Sea fleet vessels were relocated to Novorossiisk.”

On September 22, Kyiv barraged and partially destroyed the Fleet’s headquarters in a snow-white Stalinist building in Sevastopol

Regaining northwestern Black Sea
The attacks dramatically reduced Russia’s capabilities to land troops near Odesa and back occupying forces in the southern region of Kherson, analysts have said.

“Ukraine’s actions have wrestled control of Ukraine’s western territorial waters back from Russia and prevented the Black Sea Fleet from threatening Odesa with amphibious assault or providing tactical fires and logistical support to Russian forces in Kherson,” retired US Army Major General Gordon Skip Davis Jr told Al Jazeera.

The success seems even more staggering given that Ukraine’s minuscule navy lost most of its ships during Crimea’s 2014 annexation and consists of two dozen obsolete vessels that can all fit into a tiny bay.......

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023...e-turns-the-tables-on-russias-black-sea-fleet

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If Russia is "winning the war" why are they not able to defend their fleet in the Black sea. Why are they withdrawing the fleet. Why did they allow their headquarters in Sevastopol. Maybe Hawkeye can explain? It's not like Aljazeera is a pro Ukrainian publication.

Indeed, a grave miscalculation.