Most Gazans didn't support Hamas attacking

Cypress said:
I assume this means you support indiscriminate carpet bombing of Gaza, and holding all citizens there, including babies and children, accountable

You don't sound like a Christian. Have you read the New Testament?
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We've seen that suggested here in these threads.
 
Cypress said:
Polls Show Majority of Gazans Were Against Breaking Ceasefire; Hamas and Hezbollah Unpopular Among Key Arab Publics

According to the latest Washington Institute polling, conducted in July 2023, Hamas’s decision to break the ceasefire was not a popular move. While the majority of Gazans (65%) did think it likely that there would be “a large military conflict between Israel and Hamas in Gaza” this year, a similar percentage (62%) supported Hamas maintaining a ceasefire with Israel. Moreover, half (50%) agreed with the following proposal: “Hamas should stop calling for Israel’s destruction, and instead accept a permanent two-state solution based on the 1967 borders.” Moreover, across the region, Hamas has lost popularity over time among many Arab publics. This decline in popularity may have been one of the motivating factors behind the group’s decision to attack.

In fact, Gazan frustration with Hamas governance is clear; most Gazans expressed a preference for PA administration and security officials over Hamas—the majority of Gazans (70%) supported a proposal of the PA sending “officials and security officers to Gaza to take over the administration there, with Hamas giving up separate armed units,” including 47% who strongly agreed. Nor is this a new view—this proposal has had majority support in Gaza since first polled by The Washington Institute in 2014.
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No muslims deserve to live. Islam is a religion of violence. Even mohammed, the muslin version of jesus, is said to have personally cut the heads of 600 to 900 people with a knife. No religion founded by such a person can be called a peaceful religion. Only a complete idiot would believe that.
 
theredpill said:
No muslims deserve to live. Islam is a religion of violence. Even mohammed, the muslin version of jesus, is said to have personally cut the heads of 600 to 900 people with a knife. No religion founded by such a person can be called a peaceful religion. Only a complete idiot would believe that.
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You've never read the Bible, have you.
 
martin said:
To me suicide by cop is always a surprise. That is what Hamas is doing on a semi-national scale. Not only for itself but for much of the civilian population it represents. Either Hamas has gone insane or there is more to this than we yet know.
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It doesn't make sense to us. This is a statement from a Hamas official during a recent interview.


"The Israelis are known to love life. We, on the other hand, sacrifice ourselves. We consider our dead to be martyrs. The thing any Palestinian desires the most is to be martyred for the sake of Allah, defending his land," he continued. "We have been preparing for this for two years. We have local factories for everything. We have rockets with ranges of 250 kilometers, 160 kilometers, 80 kilometers, 45 kilometers and 10 kilometers."



I'm quite sure the majority of Palestinians do not wish to be included in this group.
 
domer76 said:
Every society has their built in propaganda.

Now, the Gazans have lived in an outdoor prison for many years. A ghetto controlled completely by Israel. No way out except through closed borders. Can’t even get proper medical treatment. So, try to look at yourself in similar conditions. Nothing but love for the oppressor, huh?
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It's always blood lust in the early stages. The scenes in Israel were horrific. It's unfortunate that otherwise intelligent members here post the stupidest shit re. murdering everyone in Palestine in retaliation.
 
Cypress said:
I actually trust Israel more than I trust Earl or some of the MAGAs here.

There seems to be widespread enthusiasm in MAGA-land to hold all Gazans accountable, and just carpet bomb the whole place into a smouldering pile of ash.

I think even Israel is going to restrain itself from massive and indiscriminate carpet bombing of civilians.
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It's not just the MAGAs.

Israel has already slaughtered thousands of women and children. That wasn't enough, so they shut down power and water.

I think they're now reading the world sentiment and realize that they don't have any support for continuing to commit war crimes.

None of Palestine's neighbors want the refugees. I wonder how long Bibi will wait for the innocents to clear out?
 
Cypress said:
I think any place you are surrounded by 20 foot high fences, razor wire, guard towers, motion detection sensors is a system set up to severely restrict your freedom. Prison might not be the right word.


On the other hand, given what Hamas is capable of, the Israeli government in the short run is compelled to make this kind of security arrangements.

It's not sustainable in the long run though, so hopefully someday, maybe decades from now, and equitable solution for all people living there can be worked out
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Sure it’s a prison. And a prison sentence without a conviction or due process.
 
theredpill said:
No muslims deserve to live. Islam is a religion of violence. Even mohammed, the muslin version of jesus, is said to have personally cut the heads of 600 to 900 people with a knife. No religion founded by such a person can be called a peaceful religion. Only a complete idiot would believe that.
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How many people did the Hebrew god smite? Supposedly, he wiped out everybody on earth except a handful.

Wait. Only a complete idiot would believe that.
 
christiefan915 said:
You obviously didn't read any of the posts I was responding to and just want to cover your ignorance by name-calling. I guess you think continually flapping your gums about something makes you an authority. How does one "get rid of Gaza, etc." peacefully, you insufferable moron?

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Reichwingers have simple "solutions" acceptable only to themselves, for all complex issues. Most of them involve violence, denial of human rights, and death.
 
Cypress said:
I think any place you are surrounded by 20 foot high fences, razor wire, guard towers, motion detection sensors is a system set up to severely restrict your freedom. Prison might not be the right word.


On the other hand, given what Hamas is capable of, the Israeli government in the short run is compelled to make this kind of security arrangements.

It's not sustainable in the long run though, so hopefully someday, maybe decades from now, and equitable solution for all people living there can be worked out
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Maybe if they didn't send in suicide bombers....huh
 
theredpill said:
No muslims deserve to live. Islam is a religion of violence. Even mohammed, the muslin version of jesus, is said to have personally cut the heads of 600 to 900 people with a knife. No religion founded by such a person can be called a peaceful religion. Only a complete idiot would believe that.
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Oh lovely. So which insane MAGAT posse clown are you impersonating tonight, Psychowhack?
 
domer76 said:
Didn’t read the OP, did you, asswipe?

I see now that Israel is using white phosphorus. Against Geneva/UN Conventions for warfare.
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Wrong. White Phosphorus is allowed under the Geneva Convention and UN rules on warfare as a smoke agent. However, at this point, there is no evidence Israel is actually using WP against Gaza. There are claims by hand wringing radical Leftist and pro-Palestinian groups that they are, but there is no solid evidence of it presented.
It really wouldn't make much sense in any case. High explosive shells and bombs are far, far more effective against mostly concrete buildings in a dense urban environment.
 
theredpill said:
No muslims deserve to live. Islam is a religion of violence. Even mohammed, the muslin version of jesus, is said to have personally cut the heads of 600 to 900 people with a knife. No religion founded by such a person can be called a peaceful religion. Only a complete idiot would believe that.
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Really? there are a lot of Muslim Israelis some even in the IDF

Many Negev Bedouins serve in the Israel Defense Forces. Each year, between 5%–10% of the Bedouin of draft age volunteer for the IDF (unlike Druze and Jewish Israelis, they are not required by law to do so).


 
Cypress said:
Polls Show Majority of Gazans Were Against Breaking Ceasefire; Hamas and Hezbollah Unpopular Among Key Arab Publics

According to the latest Washington Institute polling, conducted in July 2023, Hamas’s decision to break the ceasefire was not a popular move. While the majority of Gazans (65%) did think it likely that there would be “a large military conflict between Israel and Hamas in Gaza” this year, a similar percentage (62%) supported Hamas maintaining a ceasefire with Israel. Moreover, half (50%) agreed with the following proposal: “Hamas should stop calling for Israel’s destruction, and instead accept a permanent two-state solution based on the 1967 borders.” Moreover, across the region, Hamas has lost popularity over time among many Arab publics. This decline in popularity may have been one of the motivating factors behind the group’s decision to attack.

In fact, Gazan frustration with Hamas governance is clear; most Gazans expressed a preference for PA administration and security officials over Hamas—the majority of Gazans (70%) supported a proposal of the PA sending “officials and security officers to Gaza to take over the administration there, with Hamas giving up separate armed units,” including 47% who strongly agreed. Nor is this a new view—this proposal has had majority support in Gaza since first polled by The Washington Institute in 2014.
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If most Germans didn't support the Nazis in 1943 should that have kept us from bombing the shit out of it... And killing every Nazi we could?
 
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