White lib, Plugs Biden gave Iran $6 Billion to kill JEWS & destroy only ME democracy

[Bigdog]

Ya it is.

You seem to be holding me responsible for you inability to comprehend what you read.

An "exemption" from what?

 

[Nomad]

Ya it is.

You seem to be holding me responsible for you inability to comprehend what you read.

Dogshit's latest right-wing bullshit trolling trick is telling people they said things they didn't say.

He's trying that shit with me.

Proof of how fucked up his arguments are.

He can't refute what you say, so he changes what you said.

 

[QP!]

An "exemption" from what?

I will let you read and try to comprehend it yourself.

In 2018, Trump ... imposed sanctions that included a partial ban on Iranian oil exports and on banking. The following spring, the administration imposed a total ban on oil exports.

...Then-Secretary of State Mike Pompeo noted that the sanctions were “targeted at the regime, not the people of Iran, who have suffered grievously under this regime” and that the administration would “maintain many humanitarian exemptions to our sanctions including food, agriculture commodities, medicine, and medical devices.”

Around that time, South Korean banks held between $6.5 billion and $9 billion from the country’s purchases of Iranian energy products. The Trump administration authorized the release of those funds for humanitarian purposes...

 

[Bigdog]

I will let you read and try to comprehend it yourself.

Thank you. Why no link, again?

"The State Department closed the Obama era condensate loophole which allowed countries to continue importing condensate from Iran even while sanctions were in place. This loophole allowed millions of dollars to continue to flow to the regime.

This administration is treating condensate the same as crude since the regime makes no distinction between the two when it decides to spend its oil revenue on unlawful ballistic missiles, terrorism, cyberattacks, and other destabilizing activities like the assassination plot Denmark disclosed this past week.

And starting today, Iran will have zero oil revenue to spend on any of these things. Let me say that again. Zero. One hundred percent of the revenue that Iran receives from the sale of crude oil will be held in foreign accounts and can be used by Iran only for humanitarian trade or bilateral trade in nonsanctioned goods and services.

These new sanctions will accelerate the highly successful effects of our sanctions that have already occurred. The maximum pressure we imposed has caused the rial to drop dramatically, Rouhani’s cabinet is in disarray, and the Iranian people are raising their voices even louder against a corrupt and hypocritical regime.

On that note, our actions today are targeted at the regime, not the people of Iran, who have suffered grievously under this regime. It’s why we have and will maintain many humanitarian exemptions to our sanctions including food, agriculture commodities, medicine, and medical devices."

https://2017-2021.state.gov/briefing-on-iran-sanctions/





"Around that time, South Korean banks held between $6.5 billion and $9 billion from the country’s purchases of Iranian energy products. The Trump administration authorized the release of those funds for humanitarian purposes, but the banks resisted doing so, because of a fear of violating the U.S. sanctions, according to the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

As part of a prisoner swap negotiated by the Biden administration in August, the U.S. allowed the transfer of $6 billion from South Korean banks to bank accounts in Qatar"

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/10/r...amas-attack-and-iran-funds-distort-the-facts/

 

[domer76]

Dogshit's latest right-wing bullshit trolling trick is telling people they said things they didn't say.

He's trying that shit with me.

Proof of how fucked up his arguments are.

He can't refute what you say, so he changes what you said.

That’s a common tactic of the RW tards on this forum. They try this bullshit:

“So, in other words you’re saying…..”

No, you illiterate RW morons. NOT in “other words”. In the words I use.

 

[QP!]

Thank you. Why no link, again?

"The State Department closed the Obama era condensate loophole which allowed countries to continue importing condensate from Iran even while sanctions were in place. This loophole allowed millions of dollars to continue to flow to the regime.

This administration is treating condensate the same as crude since the regime makes no distinction between the two when it decides to spend its oil revenue on unlawful ballistic missiles, terrorism, cyberattacks, and other destabilizing activities like the assassination plot Denmark disclosed this past week.

And starting today, Iran will have zero oil revenue to spend on any of these things. Let me say that again. Zero. One hundred percent of the revenue that Iran receives from the sale of crude oil will be held in foreign accounts and can be used by Iran only for humanitarian trade or bilateral trade in nonsanctioned goods and services.

These new sanctions will accelerate the highly successful effects of our sanctions that have already occurred. The maximum pressure we imposed has caused the rial to drop dramatically, Rouhani’s cabinet is in disarray, and the Iranian people are raising their voices even louder against a corrupt and hypocritical regime.

On that note, our actions today are targeted at the regime, not the people of Iran, who have suffered grievously under this regime. It’s why we have and will maintain many humanitarian exemptions to our sanctions including food, agriculture commodities, medicine, and medical devices."

https://2017-2021.state.gov/briefing-on-iran-sanctions/





"Around that time, South Korean banks held between $6.5 billion and $9 billion from the country’s purchases of Iranian energy products. The Trump administration authorized the release of those funds for humanitarian purposes, but the banks resisted doing so, because of a fear of violating the U.S. sanctions, according to the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

As part of a prisoner swap negotiated by the Biden administration in August, the U.S. allowed the transfer of $6 billion from South Korean banks to bank accounts in Qatar"

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/10/r...amas-attack-and-iran-funds-distort-the-facts/

Again you blame me for your inability to comprehend or follow a discussion.

Look back to the original post you quoted me on, and why we still are discussing this and you will see the link there.

And nothing you say above impacts ONE IOTA my point.

You are making the point above that Trump IMPROVED the situation from Obama, in regards to HOW MUCH money Iran was getting.

We ARE NOT discussing that.

What WE ARE discussing, is whether or not Biden simply announcing that the $6B would be (but had not yet been) released for Food and medicine would result in Iran then diverting money to terror because money is fungible as Trumpderps are saying.

My counter point, is if that is true, then Trump and Pompeo also allowing ANY MONEY to go thru for food and medicine would ALSO allow for Iran to divert money to terror, as money is fungible.


You saying 'Whatabout Obama letting even MORE thru, does NOTHING, to change my CORRECT point above'.

 

[Bigdog]

And lest we forget, the ONLY REASON this $6B was sitting in a pot was because TRUMP gave China and India and others an exemption to buy the Oil from Iran, which then built up this cash.



This does not happen if Trump does not give the exemption to create the pot of money.

Stop Deceiving.

The Pompeo quote does not appear at your link ...

"How Donald Trump's Oil Waiver Gave Iran $6 Billion"


Which is a democrat Lie because DJT reduced their oil revenue to $6B.

 

[Bigdog]

Again you blame me for your inability to comprehend or follow a discussion.

Look back to the original post you quoted me on, and why we still are discussing this and you will see the link there.

And nothing you say above impacts ONE IOTA my point.

You are making the point above that Trump IMPROVED the situation from Obama, in regards to HOW MUCH money Iran was getting.

We ARE NOT discussing that.

What WE ARE discussing, is whether or not Biden simply announcing that the $6B would be (but had not yet been) released for Food and medicine would result in Iran then diverting money to terror because money is fungible as Trumpderps are saying.

My counter point, is if that is true, then Trump and Pompeo also allowing ANY MONEY to go thru for food and medicine would ALSO allow for Iran to divert money to terror, as money is fungible.


You saying 'Whatabout Obama letting even MORE thru, does NOTHING, to change my CORRECT point above'.

"humanitarian trade or bilateral trade in nonsanctioned goods and services."

Wrong. My points are ...

In politics, law, and discussions ... words matter.

Tthe SK banks did not let Iran spend any of that money, under Pres. Trump, because they did not meet the "himanitarian trade" definition.

Humanitarian aide is a much broader definition which is why the Iranians said they will decide what it means.

And NO, you did NOT provide a link to the Pompeo quote ... EVER!

Democrats

 

[QP!]

"humanitarian trade or bilateral trade in nonsanctioned goods and services."

Wrong. My points are ...

In politics, law, and discussions ... words matter.

Tthe SK banks did not let Iran spend any of that money, under Pres. Trump, because they did not meet the "himanitarian trade" definition.

Humanitarian aide is a much broader definition which is why the Iranians said they will decide what it means.

And NO, you did NOT provide a link to the Pompeo quote ... EVER!

Democrats

And again, not one cent of the $6B Biden changed policy on and was prepared to release was, in fact, released and Biden has refrozen it.

But derps are arguing 'it does not matter. Money is fungible. And Iran simply knowing the policy had changed and the money was coming for food and medicinal aid' meant that Iran could then allocate some of their own money now to supporting terror.

If that logic is true, then it is ALSO TRUE that when this happened...

Republican Claims on Hamas Attack and Iran Funds Distort the Facts


...Contrary to claims by some Republicans, including former President Donald Trump, U.S. taxpayers did not indirectly fund the recent Hamas attack on Israel with Iranian money unfrozen as part of a prisoner swap with Iran in August.

The $6 billion freed up was Iranian money that was held in South Korean banks. It was released to banks in Qatar, and State Department officials say there will be oversight to ensure it can only be spent on humanitarian needs in Iran, such as food or medicine. Some have argued that money is fungible, so the release of the funds will free up Iran to fund terrorism. But none of the $6 billion has yet been spent.

What Is the Origin of the $6 Billion?
In 2018, Trump withdrew the U.S. from the Iran nuclear deal — known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action — and several months later imposed sanctions that included a partial ban on Iranian oil exports and on banking. The following spring, the administration imposed a total ban on oil exports.

Then-Secretary of State Mike Pompeo noted that the sanctions were “targeted at the regime, not the people of Iran, who have suffered grievously under this regime” and that the administration would “maintain many humanitarian exemptions to our sanctions including food, agriculture commodities, medicine, and medical devices.”

Around that time, South Korean banks held between $6.5 billion and $9 billion from the country’s purchases of Iranian energy products. The Trump administration authorized the release of those funds for humanitarian purposes, but the banks resisted doing so, because of a fear of violating the U.S. sanctions, according to the Washington Institute for Near East Policy...

Because, money is fungible, that then Iran would have freed up money for Iran to use for terror, as money is fungible.

 

[Bigdog]

And again, not one cent of the $6B Biden changed policy on and was prepared to release was, in fact, released and Biden has refrozen it.

But derps are arguing 'it does not matter. Money is fungible. And Iran simply knowing the policy had changed and the money was coming for food and medicinal aid' meant that Iran could then allocate some of their own money now to supporting terror.

If that logic is true, then it is ALSO TRUE that when this happened...


Because, money is fungible, that then Iran would have freed up money for Iran to use for terror, as money is fungible.

Wrong. Under DJT, it was only authorized for Humanitarian Trade. That is NOT fungible. It is concrete goods.

Good for you that you finally gave us a link after LYING about it.

 

[Bigdog]

And again, not one cent of the $6B Biden changed policy on and was prepared to release was, in fact, released and Biden has refrozen it.

But derps are arguing 'it does not matter. Money is fungible. And Iran simply knowing the policy had changed and the money was coming for food and medicinal aid' meant that Iran could then allocate some of their own money now to supporting terror.

If that logic is true, then it is ALSO TRUE that when this happened...




Because, money is fungible, that then Iran would have freed up money for Iran to use for terror, as money is fungible.

QPI, if humanitarian trade funds were available under DJT, then you need to ask yourself some serious questions.

Why did Plugs need to unfreeze it?
Why did Plugs move the money to banks in Qatar where the Hamas leader lives?
Why did Plugs change the requirement from Trade to Aide?
Why did the Iranians NOT avail themselves of the money while Trump was president?
Why did Plugs refreeze it?

 

[QP!]

Wrong. Under DJT, it was only authorized for Humanitarian Trade. That is NOT fungible. It is concrete goods.

Good for you that you finally gave us a link after LYING about it.

Under the Biden admin it was ALSO authorized for humanitarian aid. So that is not fungible either then.

either way you spin it, it Biden is guilty then Trump was too, and first. And if Trump is innocent, then Biden is too.

 

[QP!]

QPI, if humanitarian trade funds were available under DJT, then you need to ask yourself some serious questions.

Why did Plugs need to unfreeze it?
Why did Plugs move the money to banks in Qatar where the Hamas leader lives?
Why did Plugs change the requirement from Trade to Aide?
Why did the Iranians NOT avail themselves of the money while Trump was president?
Why did Plugs refreeze it?

the funds were not unfrozen under either Trump or Biden.

Both administrations SAID THE WORDS, but the actions were never completed for EITHER to actually let the money flow. Thus why Biden could now refreeze it.

So again, helping you with your inability to comprehend the arguments you read the issue i am raising is with people saying 'Biden merely SAYING the money would be released, then allowed Iran to use other money they would have used for Food and Medicine instead for terror, as money is fungible'.

That is the TrumpDerp arguments they are pushing now. That exact same argument then applies to Trump and Pompeo SAYING the money would be released.

 

[Bigdog]

Under the Biden admin it was ALSO authorized for humanitarian aid. So that is not fungible either then.

either way you spin it, it Biden is guilty then Trump was too, and first. And if Trump is innocent, then Biden is too.

Plugs changed it from Trade to Aide. Stop lying.

 

[Bigdog]

the funds were not unfrozen under either Trump or Biden.

Both administrations SAID THE WORDS, but the actions were never completed for EITHER to actually let the money flow. Thus why Biden could now refreeze it.

So again, helping you with your inability to comprehend the arguments you read the issue i am raising is with people saying 'Biden merely SAYING the money would be released, then allowed Iran to use other money they would have used for Food and Medicine instead for terror, as money is fungible'.

That is the TrumpDerp arguments they are pushing now. That exact same argument then applies to Trump and Pompeo SAYING the money would be released.

Plugs unfroze the money 2 weeks before the invasion for a hostage trade. Stop lying.

Why did Plugs need to unfreeze it?
Why did Plugs move the money to banks in Qatar where the Hamas leader lives?
Why did Plugs change the requirement from Trade to Aide?
Why did the Iranians NOT avail themselves of the money while Trump was president?
Why did Plugs refreeze it?

Yes, fortunately they did not get the money, yet.

Now, Hamas (Iran) has killed 27 Americans and 14 are missing. So now Iran has possibly another 14 hostages.

 

[QP!]

Plugs unfroze the money 2 weeks before the invasion for a hostage trade. Stop lying.

Why did Plugs need to unfreeze it?
Why did Plugs move the money to banks in Qatar where the Hamas leader lives?
Why did Plugs change the requirement from Trade to Aide?
Why did the Iranians NOT avail themselves of the money while Trump was president?
Why did Plugs refreeze it?

Yes, fortunately they did not get the money, yet.

Now, Hamas (Iran) has killed 27 Americans and 14 are missing. So now Iran has possibly another 14 hostages.

And your comprehension issues rear their ugly head again.

Nothing you say, NOTHING, changes the argument i was having with the other person, you injected yourself in.

His point, was with 'the Biden words only and no delivery of funds, Iran would still repurpose funds, since money is fungible', and they would fund terror.

And then 'the Trump and Pompeo words do not matter and Iran would not fund terror, as money is not fungible'.


So regardless of what you say the words are is not the point we are addressing. If Iran merely needs to know money is flowing in for a purpose (X) then that allows them to redirect money for terror, than it was as true for Trump and Pompeo as it was for Biden.

 

[Bigdog]

And your comprehension issues rear their ugly head again.

Like a typical Democrat, you claim you are superior. And won't answer questions. Just demand to be obeyed.

Why did Plugs need to unfreeze it?
Why did Plugs move the money to banks in Qatar where the Hamas leader lives?
Why did Plugs change the requirement from Trade to Aide?
Why did the Iranians NOT avail themselves of the money while Trump was president?
Why did Plugs refreeze it?

How dare I ask the royal blooded QPI a question.

White libs

 

[QP!]

Like a typical Democrat, you claim you are superior. And won't answer questions. Just demand to be obeyed.

Why did Plugs need to unfreeze it?
Why did Plugs move the money to banks in Qatar where the Hamas leader lives?
Why did Plugs change the requirement from Trade to Aide?
Why did the Iranians NOT avail themselves of the money while Trump was president?
Why did Plugs refreeze it?

How dare I ask the royal blooded QPI a question.

White libs

Both Trump and Biden recognized the challenge of not providing aid and thus both tried to release the money, but at the same time the challenges with Iran made both rescind and hold the money.

 

[Bigdog]

Both Trump and Biden recognized the challenge of not providing aid and thus both tried to release the money, but at the same time the challenges with Iran made both rescind and hold the money.

Why did Plugs need to unfreeze it?
Why did Plugs move the money to banks in Qatar where the Hamas leader lives?
Why did Plugs change the requirement from Trade to Aide?
Why did the Iranians NOT avail themselves of the money while Trump was president?
Why did Plugs refreeze it?

 

[Joe Capitalist]

Couple of things for you fucking morons.

The $6 billion was Iran’s money from oil sales that had been frozen. Get it? THEIR MONEY.

Iran accelerated their nuclear program under Trump. These funds are not in Iranian banks and have strings attached.

Hard to know who the terrorists are. Gaza is about the most densely populated area on the planet and most live in dire poverty. Effectively, put them on “the reservation.” So, until they start treating those people as humans, fuck Israel. They are not always the victim here.

MAGA is Hamas Lite.