Scalise nominated Speaker

Damocles said:
They do have some incentive to work with someone that showed a proclivity to reach across the aisle. I don't expect even one to vote for Scalise, at that point they are voting for a D or an R, I would expect them to vote for the D.

Now in a vote to vacate the seat, one that you know will not be replaced by a D, it will be an unknown R that you have now shown that working with you gains them nothing at all. That one they could choose to have a few vote his way to keep him in the seat. He's been known to compromise... Instead the Ds gathered and worked with those "evil MAGA Republicans" to ensure that the next speaker will not work with them.

I think the Ds are collective idiots, they'll get someone even less inclined to work with them, and it will be their own fault. And it won't last long enough to affect next year's elections in any significant way.
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I think Rupublicans should nominate and vote for Hakeem Jeffries. It will unite the House. Democrats will be united in support. Republicans will be united in hating him. Win win.
 
Damocles said:
This is a "you did it first" excuse, it is the excuse of children.

Reality: The only block that voted with the folks you call "MAGA" to punish the person who created a compromise that 209 Democrats voted for is the party with which he compromised.

No matter how much whiney excuses you come up with, the reality is the Democrats voted like MAGA Republicans in order to punish a republican that worked with them. Brilliant job, Ds. Make sure nobody will try it again, good plan.
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I do not like McCarthy, I think he is a liar willing to coddle Trump even after his attempt to remain in power even after losing. I would not be happy in my representative had voted to keep him speaker.
 
BidenPresident said:
I think Rupublicans should nominate and vote for Hakeem Jeffries. It will unite the House. Democrats will be united in support. Republicans will be united in hating him. Win win.
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I'm sure you do. However, as you and I both noted it is by design a partisan position. This will not happen. I also don't expect even one Democrat to vote for Scalise. That was not the vote that they merged with MAGA to get though... They chose to work with MAGA to get rid of a Speaker they know would work with them, he'd already proven it, to replace him with another republican that will have no incentive to work with them. I think that was a stupid choice, for the reasons I have outlined in this thread. Especially the choice to join with the very "MAGA Republicans" they so despise to get it done.
 
TOP said:
Scalise deserves it and he'll do a great job... but Jordan would have been awesome...
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You are scary. Jordan is bomb thrower who makes everything about him. He is a terrible congressman who works for himself. Scalise said he was the closest thing to David Duke as you can get. Yeah, I have great respect for your views.
 
Jarod said:
I do not like McCarthy, I think he is a liar willing to coddle Trump even after his attempt to remain in power even after losing. I would not be happy in my representative had voted to keep him speaker.
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Yup. And I am not happy with mine for voting to oust him. (Yeah, my rep is the one in CO that voted with Gaetz to get rid of him). Which doesn't change one iota what I have said here today. Your side chose to agree 100% with those evil "MAGA republicans"... (though by definition of MAGA, Buck isn't really one of them, his excuse was weak too, he punted and there was going to be more votes in the near future that could have gone his way... ).

Is your representative Gaetz? LOL. that would be annoying I'm sure. I still think that Ds will find they have it worse off than before with a new Speaker, it will not be a gain for them.
 
Face it, we now have a 3 party system that rightys wanted for so long. We have the Dems. We have normal Repubs. And we have a small party of far right crazy Trumpys who are sabotaging everything. They hate the Dems and the Repubs equally. If you are like TOP and want Scalise and Jordan, you should be joining the MTG party. They will blow it all up.
 
Nordberg said:
Face it, we now have a 3 party system that rightys wanted for so long. We have the Dems. We have normal Repubs. And we have a small party of far right crazy Trumpys who are sabotaging everything. They hate the Dems and the Repubs equally. If you are like TOP and want Scalise and Jordan, you should be joining the MTG party. They will blow it all up.
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We have UniParty and Not Uniparty.
 
Damocles said:
They do have some incentive to work with someone that showed a proclivity to reach across the aisle. I don't expect even one to vote for Scalise, at that point they are voting for a D or an R, I would expect them to vote for the D.

Now in a vote to vacate the seat, one that you know will not be replaced by a D, it will be an unknown R that you have now shown that working with you gains them nothing at all. That one they could choose to have a few vote his way to keep him in the seat. He's been known to compromise... Instead the Ds gathered and worked with those "evil MAGA Republicans" to ensure that the next speaker will not work with them.

I think the Ds are collective idiots, they'll get someone even less inclined to work with them, and it will be their own fault. And it won't last long enough to affect next year's elections in any significant way.
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Like trump in court, they are simply running out the clock.

NY handed the House to Republicans, and that is being corrected as we speak.

I think Bobblehead is gone too next year.

Jefferies is simply Xing out days on the calendar.
 
Nordberg said:
Face it, we now have a 3 party system that rightys wanted for so long. We have the Dems. We have normal Repubs. And we have a small party of far right crazy Trumpys who are sabotaging everything. They hate the Dems and the Repubs equally. If you are like TOP and want Scalise and Jordan, you should be joining the MTG party. They will blow it all up.
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It started with the Teabaggers, and when trump came along it morphed into the Nazi party.
 
Damocles said:
This ignores what happened. He was Speaker already and the vote was not for a D or him it was to keep him or vacate for another republican, as it is a partisan position by design. ...
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None of that matters.

If at any point the Dem conference, with a similar slim margin lost enough faith in Nancy Pelosi that she could not win and remain the Dem speaker, the idea that Republi'cans' should or would step up to save her, when her own party would not, simply to show bipartisan spirit IS NOT A THING.

If Biden during this Impeachments Inquiry, lost the support of his party and no longer had the votes to avoid Impeachment, the idea the Repuubli'cans' should or would step up to save him, when his own party would not, simply to show bipartisan spirit IS NOT A THING.

If a party cannot agree that they even want their leader and they are not going to vote to put that person in to power, IT IS NOT A THING that the other party then provides the votes.


You are a very confused individual who does not understand that if a party has the power locked in, as Nancy Pelosi did, with her same margin Speakership, then what bipartisan means is 'they have power, ...elections have consequences and we are not going to be able to change it... so we need to find some bipartisan positions we can support to gain the maximum benefits for the citizens'.
 
BidenPresident said:
I think Rupublicans should nominate and vote for Hakeem Jeffries. It will unite the House. Democrats will be united in support. Republicans will be united in hating him. Win win.
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And that is what Democrats will keep working towards, no matter how much a long shot it is.

The Dem's recognize that there are some swing State Republicans in districts Biden won, who will be at great threat if the Republi'can' crazies continue to be the face of the party. That those Republi'cans', might decide to save their own skin by voting against this disfunction and instead voting for Hakeem, something their voters might reward them for.
 
Anyone ask why the stupid, derp democrats derp, derp, were so stupid derp, derp, to vote McCarthy out? He was the best thing they had going for themselves. Derp Derp Derp!

How did I do QPeee Derp, derp!
 
Damocles said:
None of this changes what I stated. In this vote it was a vote with the folks you call "MAGAs" and believe are truly "evil" in some way and was not a vote to elect a Democrat Speaker, it was simply a vote to make the man you worked with moments before, who reached across the aisle, in order to punish him for working with you.
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The MAGAs are evil. Lying scumbags who play gutter politics then cry victim when they are on the receiving end of their own medicine.

The man (McCarthy), caved in to the MAGA scumbags and started bogus impeachment hearings against President Biden as sheer, blatant retaliation against the Democrats, even though there is no credible evidence to do so, while the Democrats OTOH, had mountains of evidence against Trump, including sworn testimony from Republicans who worked in Trump's WH.

MAGA = Make America Gutless Assholes.
 
Damocles said:
Yup. And I am not happy with mine for voting to oust him. (Yeah, my rep is the one in CO that voted with Gaetz to get rid of him). Which doesn't change one iota what I have said here today. Your side chose to agree 100% with those evil "MAGA republicans"... (though by definition of MAGA, Buck isn't really one of them, his excuse was weak too, he punted and there was going to be more votes in the near future that could have gone his way... ).

Is your representative Gaetz? LOL. that would be annoying I'm sure. I still think that Ds will find they have it worse off than before with a new Speaker, it will not be a gain for them.
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They did not agree 100% with MAGA, they simply refused to support McCarthy who in the end supported the guy who, in the end, supported an insurrection on the very institution he was leading. Big difference. Your hyperbole is way past the edge of reality.

Just because once in a while I would have my representative vote the same way as Gaetz does not make him someone I approve of, we both do not like McCarthy for opposite reasons. Gaetz thinks hes not MAGA enough, and I think he is too MAGA.
 
Damocles said:
This is a "you did it first" excuse, it is the excuse of children.

Reality: The only block that voted with the folks you call "MAGA" to punish the person who created a compromise that 209 Democrats voted for is the party with which he compromised.

No matter how much whiney excuses you come up with, the reality is the Democrats voted like MAGA Republicans in order to punish a republican that worked with them. Brilliant job, Ds. Make sure nobody will try it again, good plan.
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To punish the guy who cozied up with Trump after he led an insurrection on the very body McCarthy was the head of. Insanity, and if it takes voting the same way as Gaetz to illustrate to the American people how insane GAETZ movement is, so be it, that is what is best for America.
 
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