How did Israel and the U.S. miss what Hamas was planning?

christiefan915 said:
All those criticizing or blaming Biden for the attack should ask themselves this question. One article I read states the US, UK and Israel have the top three intelligence agencies in the world.

"Hamas’ surprise attack on Israel suggests a massive intelligence failure as the Israeli government appeared blindsided by the infiltration of Hamas fighters across the southern border and the launch of thousands of rockets. The Hamas assault by air, land and sea also raised questions about why U.S. intelligence agencies apparently did not see it coming, experts and former intelligence officials said.

U.S. officials said that if the Israelis knew an attack was imminent, they did not share it with Washington.

“We were not tracking this,” a senior U.S. military official said."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/israel-us-miss-hamas-was-planning-rcna119335
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It's not the place of US intelligence to do Israel's homework for them. Our people are looking for threats to the US, not necessarily Israel.

While satellites and drones are good tools, human assets on the ground are a vital part of intelligence gathering. I doubt the US had many, if any, in Gaza. It appears Israel didn't either.

Consider how the Benghazi attack was a surprise to the US. Why? IMO, similar reasons; we didn't have HUMINT assets adequate enough to foretell the attack.
 
ExpressLane said:
And you will be the first to cry when a terror attack in the US kills dozen if not hundreds of Americans. You are the one who is questioning how the US could miss this. They missed this because they did not pay attention to the potential risks. When we allow undocumented unverified illegals in the country we are ignoring the potential risks. But Biden does not give a fuck if Americans die as long as he gets his ice cream and naps.
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You're conflating the border with the ME? How droll. We all lived through a terror attack that killed hundreds of Americans, but it wasn't Mexicans who did it.

You also can't seem to get a handle on the difference between illegals who sneaked in and weren't caught, to those who were allowed. And you MAGAs exaggerate about both.

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...esantis-exaggerates-number-of-migrants-in-us/
 
ExpressLane said:
They attacked children they killed babies and they burned children alive. They are clearly terrorists. You should be denoucing the attack LOUDLY.
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What, I should have typed "abhorrent" in all caps and bolded it? Hamas made the worst happen and now babies are being killed on both sides. I'm not saying one side's babies are better than the other's, they are all innocent in these so-called adult decisions.
 
Doc Dutch said:
It's not the place of US intelligence to do Israel's homework for them. Our people are looking for threats to the US, not necessarily Israel.

While satellites and drones are good tools, human assets on the ground are a vital part of intelligence gathering. I doubt the US had many, if any, in Gaza. It appears Israel didn't either.

Consider how the Benghazi attack was a surprise to the US. Why? IMO, similar reasons; we didn't have HUMINT assets adequate enough to foretell the attack.
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^ Apparently the MAGAs think otherwise, as evidenced by the replies on this thread.
 
christiefan915 said:
My point is that MAGAs exaggerate out of fear. One of your talking heads picks a number and you all run with it. Nobody's saying the border is problem-free but you guys always take it ten steps further with your conspiracy theories of what's going to happen.
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So far the border conspiracies have proven correct. Perhaps all you lefties should take a harder look at what your president has done to this country.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Of course if there had been an (R) in the WH, all we would have heard about America's so-called intel failure regarding the attack is

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Had there been an R in the WH instead of diaper wearing shit stain who gave the terror supporting govt of Iran $6 billion, this likely would never have happened.
 
christiefan915 said:
He's done exactly what we wanted, he neutralized the fetid aura of trump.
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Then you have to take that up with all the democrat controlled cities that are pleading for Brandon to do something about the high cost of the illegals running wild in their cities. Bear in mind those cities so far, have one 100th of what has crossed the border.
More Buses now.
BTW, that fetid aura of Trump you speak about, pre covid, gave us record employment for blacks, record low gas prices resulting in the cost of everything delivered to be stable, no wars, a stable stock market, super low interest rates resulting in affordable mortgages, a functioning supply chain, an increase in American Made products, and calling out the media for what it was.

I know that pisses off the lefties, but I found it to be a very enjoyable four years aside from you pricks attacking him from all angles.
 
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Lionfish said:
Then you have to take that up with all the democrat controlled cities that are pleading for Brandon to do something about the high cost of the illegals running wild in their cities. Bear in mind those cities so far, have one 100th of what has crossed the border.
More Buses now.
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^ This is a perfect example of your exaggeration and supposition. How do you know which people are illegal, and if you do know, why haven't you alerted the authorities? By "you" I mean all MAGAs.
 
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