How did Israel and the U.S. miss what Hamas was planning?

A lession for America.

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Earl said:
You are half right, Nordy.

Muslims prefer Sharia Law.

Research Sharia Law sometimes.

Poor Nordy.
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How do you presume to speak for Muslims? My community is half Muslim and they have lots of political power. Dearborn continues as it always has. The Arabs identify as Americans. They serve in the armed forces. They are policemen, shopowners and ln politics. They prefer our freedoms.
 
Lionfish said:
With millions crossing through our open borders, there is a 100% chance we will be asking ourselves the same thing in the future.
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  • During Joe Biden’s presidency, U.S. immigration authorities have encountered migrants about 7.2 million times at and between ports of entry. But that figure doesn’t show how many migrants entered and remained in the country. U.S. Customs and Border Protection’s encounter data tracks events, not people, and the same person can be recorded multiple times for repeated attempts to cross the border.
  • The encounter data also does not reflect expulsions. From February 2021 to May 2023, there were about 2.5 million expulsions under Title 42, a COVID-19 pandemic-era policy that allowed officials to quickly expel migrants. Besides the Title 42 removals, about 591,000 removals have been initiated by border authorities during Biden’s tenure.
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...esantis-exaggerates-number-of-migrants-in-us/
 
christiefan915 said:
  • During Joe Biden’s presidency, U.S. immigration authorities have encountered migrants about 7.2 million times at and between ports of entry. But that figure doesn’t show how many migrants entered and remained in the country. U.S. Customs and Border Protection’s encounter data tracks events, not people, and the same person can be recorded multiple times for repeated attempts to cross the border.
  • The encounter data also does not reflect expulsions. From February 2021 to May 2023, there were about 2.5 million expulsions under Title 42, a COVID-19 pandemic-era policy that allowed officials to quickly expel migrants. Besides the Title 42 removals, about 591,000 removals have been initiated by border authorities during Biden’s tenure.
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...esantis-exaggerates-number-of-migrants-in-us/
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Your point? It took 13 to take down the Twin Towers. Stop defending Brandons open border policy
 
JesusAI said:
hamas is mossad.

these are false flag attacks to justify even more killing.

but "we missed it" is a better story and justifies an even bigger surveillance budget.



1.2.3. all together now "BUT THEY WOULDN't DOOOOOOOO THAAAAAT!"
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^ I wouldn't say that. But I would say "show me some evidence."
 
christiefan915 said:
^ I wouldn't say that. But I would say "show me some evidence."
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https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

WHAT DO YOU know about Hamas?

That it’s sworn to destroy Israel? That it’s a terrorist group, proscribed both by the United States and the European Union? That it rules Gaza with an iron fist? That it’s killed hundreds of innocent Israelis with rocket, mortar, and suicide attacks?

But did you also know that Hamas — which is an Arabic acronym for “Islamic Resistance Movement” — would probably not exist today were it not for the Jewish state? That the Israelis helped turn a bunch of fringe Palestinian Islamists in the late 1970s into one of the world’s most notorious militant groups? That Hamas is blowback?

This isn’t a conspiracy theory. Listen to former Israeli officials such as Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s. Segev later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a “counterweight” to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who himself referred to Hamas as “a creature of Israel.”)

“The Israeli government gave me a budget,” the retired brigadier general confessed, “and the military government gives to the mosques.”

“Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. “I … suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face,” he wrote.

They didn’t listen to him. And Hamas, as I explain in the fifth installment of my short film series for The Intercept on blowback, was the result. To be clear: First, the Israelis helped build up a militant strain of Palestinian political Islam, in the form of Hamas and its Muslim Brotherhood precursors; then, the Israelis switched tack and tried to bomb, besiege, and blockade it out of existence.

In the past decade alone, Israel has gone to war with Hamas three times — in 2009, 2012, and 2014 — killing around 2,500 Palestinian civilians in Gaza in the process. Meanwhile, Hamas has killed far more Israeli civilians than any secular Palestinian militant group. This is the human cost of blowback.

“When I look back at the chain of events, I think we made a mistake,” David Hacham, a former Arab affairs expert in the Israeli military who was based in Gaza in the 1980s, later remarked. “But at the time, nobody thought about the possible results.”

They never do, do they?
 
Lionfish said:
Your point? It took 13 to take down the Twin Towers. Stop defending Brandons open border policy
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My point is that MAGAs exaggerate out of fear. One of your talking heads picks a number and you all run with it. Nobody's saying the border is problem-free but you guys always take it ten steps further with your conspiracy theories of what's going to happen.
 
JesusAI said:
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

WHAT DO YOU know about Hamas?

That it’s sworn to destroy Israel? That it’s a terrorist group, proscribed both by the United States and the European Union? That it rules Gaza with an iron fist? That it’s killed hundreds of innocent Israelis with rocket, mortar, and suicide attacks?

But did you also know that Hamas — which is an Arabic acronym for “Islamic Resistance Movement” — would probably not exist today were it not for the Jewish state? That the Israelis helped turn a bunch of fringe Palestinian Islamists in the late 1970s into one of the world’s most notorious militant groups? That Hamas is blowback?

This isn’t a conspiracy theory. Listen to former Israeli officials such as Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s. Segev later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a “counterweight” to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who himself referred to Hamas as “a creature of Israel.”)

“The Israeli government gave me a budget,” the retired brigadier general confessed, “and the military government gives to the mosques.”

“Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. “I … suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face,” he wrote.

They didn’t listen to him. And Hamas, as I explain in the fifth installment of my short film series for The Intercept on blowback, was the result. To be clear: First, the Israelis helped build up a militant strain of Palestinian political Islam, in the form of Hamas and its Muslim Brotherhood precursors; then, the Israelis switched tack and tried to bomb, besiege, and blockade it out of existence.

In the past decade alone, Israel has gone to war with Hamas three times — in 2009, 2012, and 2014 — killing around 2,500 Palestinian civilians in Gaza in the process. Meanwhile, Hamas has killed far more Israeli civilians than any secular Palestinian militant group. This is the human cost of blowback.

“When I look back at the chain of events, I think we made a mistake,” David Hacham, a former Arab affairs expert in the Israeli military who was based in Gaza in the 1980s, later remarked. “But at the time, nobody thought about the possible results.”

They never do, do they?
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I don't know a lot about Hamas, just what I've read or heard. What I do know is that every nation doesn't consider them a terrorist organization and the history is complicated.

I don't give them a pass for this attack, it's abhorrent and I'm a pacifist.
 
christiefan915 said:
I don't know a lot about Hamas, just what I've read or heard. What I do know is that every nation doesn't consider them a terrorist organization and the history is complicated.

I don't give them a pass for this attack, it's abhorrent and I'm a pacifist.
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I don't give them a pass either. nor do i give their mossad handlers one.
 
christiefan915 said:
My point is that MAGAs exaggerate out of fear. One of your talking heads picks a number and you all run with it. Nobody's saying the border is problem-free but you guys always take it ten steps further with your conspiracy theories of what's going to happen.
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And you will be the first to cry when a terror attack in the US kills dozen if not hundreds of Americans. You are the one who is questioning how the US could miss this. They missed this because they did not pay attention to the potential risks. When we allow undocumented unverified illegals in the country we are ignoring the potential risks. But Biden does not give a fuck if Americans die as long as he gets his ice cream and naps.
 
christiefan915 said:
I don't know a lot about Hamas, just what I've read or heard. What I do know is that every nation doesn't consider them a terrorist organization and the history is complicated.

I don't give them a pass for this attack, it's abhorrent and I'm a pacifist.
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They attacked children they killed babies and they burned children alive. They are clearly terrorists. You should be denoucing the attack LOUDLY.
 
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