Should Israel kill the head of Hamas

Althea said:
There will always be more rats to lead the charge. How many 'heads' of AQ has the U.S taken out?
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That's why you target the middle management. Terrorist networks look like a bunch of individual cells with a key member linked to one or more other cells so they can network on a larger scale. Take out the key member(s) in each cell and the rest are useless.

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That's why a smackdown against the known top leadership isn't as effective as wiping out all the people who are the links to getting anything done.
 

Minute 14 to 20 is the most epic interview ever. The leftist tries to convince the Israeli to sympathsize with the Palestinians and he gets told that the Palestinians can kindly fuck off and die lol.
 
My brother-in-law died last year from COVID. He was a Palestinian. He was a thief and a terrible father , a terrible person. He stole from his own son to finance his cheating with another woman.. Totally disgusting person.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Are you saying that Israel just arbitrarily "annexed" a large chunk of the nation of Palestine, Althea? Do you know that Palestine was never a country despite all the claims of antisemitic Lefties?
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There was no Israel. Great Britain controlled the region that was inhabited by Jews and Arabs. The rest of the world decided to create two separate states, and Israel has been annexing more and more territory ever since.

There were hundreds of thousands of Jewish refugees after the war, and creating Israel was expedient for everyone except Great Britain and the Arabs in the region.
 
tsuke said:

Minute 14 to 20 is the most epic interview ever. The leftist tries to convince the Israeli to sympathsize with the Palestinians and he gets told that the Palestinians can kindly fuck off and die lol.
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That's what hate gets you. Hamas majorly fucked up hating on Israel endlessly and then starting a war. Maybe they should figure something out and try a different way. Japan was that way before WW 2. They hated on their neighbors and then started wars with them. In the end, they got stomped on with nuclear bombs. The Japanese figured out that war doesn't get you as much as being a good neighbor and hard work in a successful business does.
Today, they're economically well off and not being assholes to their neighbors.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
That's what hate gets you. Hamas majorly fucked up hating on Israel endlessly and then starting a war. Maybe they should figure something out and try a different way. Japan was that way before WW 2. They hated on their neighbors and then started wars with them. In the end, they got stomped on with nuclear bombs. The Japanese figured out that war doesn't get you as much as being a good neighbor and hard work in a successful business does.
Today, they're economically well off and not being assholes to their neighbors.
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If you have time watch the entire thing. Jews are literally all out of fucks to give right now. If I was a Palestinian I would legitimately be scared to be in Judea and Samaria.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
That's what hate gets you. Hamas majorly fucked up hating on Israel endlessly and then starting a war. Maybe they should figure something out and try a different way. Japan was that way before WW 2. They hated on their neighbors and then started wars with them. In the end, they got stomped on with nuclear bombs. The Japanese figured out that war doesn't get you as much as being a good neighbor and hard work in a successful business does.
Today, they're economically well off and not being assholes to their neighbors.
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Agreed. Notice that most of the civilized world is all out of fucks to give too.

tsuke said:
If you have time watch the entire thing. Jews are literally all out of fucks to give right now. If I was a Palestinian I would legitimately be scared to be in Judea and Samaria.
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Hamas is the official government of Gaza. They, like the Japan analogy, started a war and now they will pay the price while the world either applauds or stays silent....except for a few antisemites.
 
tsuke said:
If you have time watch the entire thing. Jews are literally all out of fucks to give right now. If I was a Palestinian I would legitimately be scared to be in Judea and Samaria.
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I noticed Israel isn't gearing up to invade the West Bank. They are focused entirely on Gaza where Hamas rules. I'd say Palestinians outside Gaza should be nervous, those in Gaza should be scared shitless because they're in for a very one-sided ass kicking.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Hamas is the official government of Gaza. They, like the Japan analogy, started a war and now they will pay the price while the world either applauds or stays silent....except for a few antisemites.
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Are you saying that Japan's neighbors were annexing large swaths of the most fertile Japanese lands for 70 years? And that was why they became 'assholes'?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I noticed Israel isn't gearing up to invade the West Bank. They are focused entirely on Gaza where Hamas rules. I'd say Palestinians outside Gaza should be nervous, those in Gaza should be scared shitless because they're in for a very one-sided ass kicking.
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They are not going out of their way to provoke stuff but they arent taking any shit either. In the West Bank they used to try and arrest the Palestinians first. Right now its shoot first.
 
tsuke said:
They are not going out of their way to provoke stuff but they arent taking any shit either. In the West Bank they used to try and arrest the Palestinians first. Right now its shoot first.
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But at the same time I don't see where Palestinians in the West Bank are gearing up for a war with Israel the way Hamas in Gaza just did.
 
Althea said:
Are you saying that Japan's neighbors were annexing large swaths of the most fertile Japanese lands for 70 years? And that was why they became 'assholes'?
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No, Japan's neighbors--particularly Russia--were engaged in expansionist policies, and then you toss in the Europeans and colonialism. Japan saw it as getting in on that action as a local. That's why Japan fought the Sino-Russian war for example. Japan, like Europe, thought expansionist, colonial policies were the way to go. That didn't work out so well for them.

Israel's neighbors, Egypt and Syria in particular, tried for nearly 50 years to wipe Israel off the map only to have their asses handed to them repeatedly. The Palestinians have rejected all offers of a partitioned peace settlement and chosen instead to fight. If Israel were simply expansionist, they could have held the Sinai peninsula, taken half or more of Jordan, obliterated the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank, owned Syria and Lebanon.
 
The people I listen to say that Israel would take horrific casualties if they go into GAZA. Scott Ritter says that Israeli society could not deal with the KIA counts that would result.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The people I listen to say that Israel would take horrific casualties if they go into GAZA. Scott Ritter says that Israeli society could not deal with the KIA counts that would result.
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I doubt it. Israel will likely move very carefully, building by building, and stomp the shit out of the Palestinians. Sure, Israel will take some casualties, but they'll give 10 to 100 times more than they take. Once that starts happening the usual whinny assholes on the Left will start their hand wringing about how awful Palestinian casualties are and how cruel Israel is for dishing them out. They'll call for cease fires and Israeli withdrawals.

If Israel accedes to that, the cycle of violence will just start again. Hamas will take a year or two to recover to where they can start shit with Israel again, it will rise to a climax, and Israel will stomp on Hamas again.

Or, Israel can end it right here and now, and if that means Gaza is leveled and its population pushed out or killed, at least that cycle of violence will end.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I doubt it. Israel will likely move very carefully, building by building, and stomp the shit out of the Palestinians. Sure, Israel will take some casualties, but they'll give 10 to 100 times more than they take. Once that starts happening the usual whinny assholes on the Left will start their hand wringing about how awful Palestinian casualties are and how cruel Israel is for dishing them out. They'll call for cease fires and Israeli withdrawals.

If Israel accedes to that, the cycle of violence will just start again. Hamas will take a year or two to recover to where they can start shit with Israel again, it will rise to a climax, and Israel will stomp on Hamas again.

Or, Israel can end it right here and now, and if that means Gaza is leveled and its population pushed out or killed, at least that cycle of violence will end.
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Israel would very likely end as well.....the world is not going to let that go without punishment.

China Bloc is saying that Israel is now out of options, it must allow the New Palestine to be born.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Israel would very likely end as well.....the world is not going to let that go without punishment.

China Bloc is saying that Israel is now out of options, it must allow the New Palestine to be born.
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My bet is the world, outside the radical Left, won't give a shit. What does the world have to gain from the continued existence of Palestine?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
No, Japan's neighbors--particularly Russia--were engaged in expansionist policies, and then you toss in the Europeans and colonialism. Japan saw it as getting in on that action as a local. That's why Japan fought the Sino-Russian war for example. Japan, like Europe, thought expansionist, colonial policies were the way to go. That didn't work out so well for them.

Israel's neighbors, Egypt and Syria in particular, tried for nearly 50 years to wipe Israel off the map only to have their asses handed to them repeatedly. The Palestinians have rejected all offers of a partitioned peace settlement and chosen instead to fight. If Israel were simply expansionist, they could have held the Sinai peninsula, taken half or more of Jordan, obliterated the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank, owned Syria and Lebanon.
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So Hamas is nothing like the Japan issue.

This comment is laughable
 
T. A. Gardner said:
My bet is the world, outside the radical Left, won't give a shit. What does the world have to gain from the continued existence of Palestine?
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The West is dying, constant war that the West has been doing is going to be over in the New World Order, and the new sheriff in town China is a champion of justice.

Mass murder of Palestinians would likely carry the death penalty for Israel....I am pretty sure that China Bloc is currently making sure that Israel knows that following Americas example here will end catastrophically for them.
 
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