Russia offers it's terms for surrendering

Both militaries will rebuild for another go. Get it right!

Russia is a lot stronger that it was when this started, and getting stronger still, as a military, as an economy, and as a society. The demanding of this war has been a catastrophe for the dying West.
 
The f-16 is one more iteration of the magic weapons systems fantasy spun by western "experts" who are completely incompetent at their jobs.

The truth is that American military gear is generally no where near as good as their reputation.

The wake up for the West will be brutal.
 
You hear this constantly now from the Ukrainians:"This stuff is too complicated, too heavy and too unreliable".
 
Hearing this more from the people I listen too: Western experts to include some of our top generals dont understand war or how militaries work...they think it is like what they see in the movies.
 
At this point I bet Ukraine wishes it had never given up the nuclear weapons to Russia to secure an agreement that Russia would never invade and that along with the US they would take "keen interest" in the war should any other nation invade their borders.

Ukraine already knows that Russia lies, will not keep a promise, and wants their territory. As long as Vladimir Putin is in control of Russia this would be a very temporary agreement, he's stated the goal of regaining the satellite states of the USSR as part of Russian territory... I don't think he'll be giving up on that.

Biden allowing them to put in that fricking pipeline (Nord Stream 2) allowing them to have 2 pipelines that would circumvent Ukraine to get oil to Europe, this was the basic catalyst for this war. Blowing them up didn't resolve it, unfortunately, because it was already ongoing.
 
At this point I bet Ukraine wishes it had never given up the nuclear weapons to Russia to secure an agreement that Russia would never invade and that along with the US they would take "keen interest" in the war should any other nation invade their borders.

Ukraine already knows that Russia lies, will not keep a promise, and wants their territory. As long as Vladimir Putin is in control of Russia this would be a very temporary agreement, he's stated the goal of regaining the satellite states of the USSR as part of Russian territory... I don't think he'll be giving up on that.

Biden allowing them to put in that fricking pipeline (Nord Stream 2) allowing them to have 2 pipelines that would circumvent Ukraine to get oil to Europe, this was the basic catalyst for this war. Blowing them up didn't resolve it, unfortunately, because it was already ongoing.

Ukraine never had control of nuclear weapons, and I dont know that they ever could have gotten it had Russia refused to give them the codes....which they were never going to do.
 
Ukraine never had control of nuclear weapons, and I dont know that they ever could have gotten it had Russia refused to give them the codes....which they were never going to do.

Nonsense. Even Iran could take the core and use it for new weapons. The fear was they would lose control over them and bad actors and terrorists would get them. None of this changes that they gave them to Russia in exchange for that agreement. One of the nations in the agreement lied, and it wasn't Ukraine, nor the USA...
 
Nonsense. Even Iran could take the core and use it for new weapons. The fear was they would lose control over them and bad actors and terrorists would get them. None of this changes that they gave them to Russia in exchange for that agreement. One of the nations in the agreement lied, and it wasn't Ukraine, nor the USA...

I said "I dont know it..."

Pay attention.
 
Nonsense. Even Iran could take the core and use it for new weapons. The fear was they would lose control over them and bad actors and terrorists would get them. None of this changes that they gave them to Russia in exchange for that agreement. One of the nations in the agreement lied, and it wasn't Ukraine, nor the USA...

Nothing I said was wrong...you proclaiming my post nonsense is either you being an asshole or you being illiterate.
 
Mearsheimer:

1) We thought that the Ukrainians who we had trained would fight well

2) We thought that the sanctions would work

what he does not say is that there was a

3) We thought that the Russian military was weak and did not have a lot of fight in them.

The Ukrainians fought hard well and bravely...this is the most extensive combat since WW2...the Ukrainians have taken about a half million dead.

But this military is destroyed, NATO is now so weak that they cant save the day....and Russia is far stronger than it was Spring of last year....and more importantly America and Europe are in collapse as China and all of China Bloc are on the romp.




Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
 
Nothing I said was wrong...you proclaiming my post nonsense is either you being an asshole or you being illiterate.

They did it because "they never had control" and "never could"? That is what I called nonsense. They could, there were scientists in the Ukraine that absolutely could have taken the core and remade them even if they never got the codes to launch them, they worked there, they helped make the things, they lived there, they were part of the USSR before the fall. This idea that suddenly everyone in Ukraine was unable to do these things is absurd.

Absolutely an absurd claim.
 
Russia May Have Just Given Ukraine Terms for Ending War

Atop Kremlin official on Saturday suggested Russia could agree to an end to the war in Ukraine if a key condition is met

During a press conference at the United Nations General Assembly, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov indicated Russia would recognize Ukraine's borders prior to Moscow's invasion if Kyiv pledges to not join a military alliance.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ne...-given-ukraine-terms-ending-war-1829980?amp=1

It would be good if they did.
 
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