Ode to the former Black Sea fleet HQ

Geeko Sportivo said:
You are well over-thinking things dude! Just sayin'

Perhaps you need a little break from politics!

Go watch some football and free you weary mind SIR!
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I think Stone is worried about too many Ukrainians getting killed. I think the Ukrainians are worried about Freedom. We need to remember if we don't stand for freedom who does. Freedom pass it on.
 
Cypress said:
The Russian Black Sea fleet has been responsible for many missile attacks on Ukrainian civilians and civil infrastructure, so this kind of payback on the fleet headquarters is completely justified.
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In addition, it is a military target rather than a church, a shopping center, a school.
 
War isnt to be trifled with. Either ALL In or not at all. Half steps only cause the suffering to last longer. Do we REALLY care about Ukraine or not. If the answer is YES then you send in NATO. You dont screw around like we are.
 
Stone said:
MAYBE we can debate this one day when you are ACTUALLY serious. Its obvious that day is not today as your above statement is actually absurd on multiple levels.
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NATO is never going to walk away from Eastern Europe to satisfy the blackmail you and Vlad want to extort from us.

Ukraine is never going to just hand over large swaths of it's sovereign territory to satisfy Putin's imperialist ambitions.

While you were totally expecting swift and complete Russian victory in February 2022, you better prepare yourself for the fact Ukraine is never going to surrender to Russia, and the only question left is whether Putin will be allowed to keep the thin strip of land along the shores of the Sea of Azov he currently occupies.
 
Stone said:
Exactly my point.
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Biden has bungled the handling of this war before it started and now. His dragging his feet at supplying things like anti aircraft missiles and tanks and F16s has cost Ukrainian lives and probably bolstered Russia. Obama was right when he said "never underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up."
 
Doc Dutch said:
Nice rant proving you really are a fat assed dumbass who can't see past his own little corner desk.

First, Ukraine is proving they are willing to fight for their country. All they need is the weapons and ammo to do it. This isn't Vietnam, Afghanistan or some other Third World shithole. Ukraine is a First World nation fully capable of using First World weapons.

Second, Putin fucked up by attacking Ukraine outside of the Separatist areas. His naked aggression must be stopped before it is allowed to grow into something worse such as attacking a NATO country. He's already proved he's crazy enough to threaten to launch nukes because the Russian army is getting its ass kicked in Ukraine. One reason why the Russian Army is doing so badly is because Putin and his oligarchs have gutted it for personal profit. Russia is now so fucked up that they need to go to Iran and North Korea for weapons and ammo.

Third, your idea that Biden had Putin order an attack on Ukraine is ludicrous. Faulting Americans for Putin's aggression in Ukraine is either a lie or an indication you are insane, Fat Boy.
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Stone COLD wouldn't know what to think, would it not be for Donald Trump, FOX NEWS, or HATE RADIO to tell him what to think!

That is always the first sign of weakness and vulnerability- sort of like a desert rat spining himself in a circle, chasing his own tail for amusement, and attracting the Bite of a Rattlesnake! :laugh:

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Is the cause of freedom worth fighting for or not? If your friend is being attacked by a bully do you just yell out words of encouragement or do you jump in and stop the aggressor? You jump in. You know why we arent jumping in? Because it would END the Biden presidency thats why. So...yeah,....put up or shut up.
 
ExpressLane said:
Biden has bungled the handling of this war before it started and now. His dragging his feet at supplying things like anti aircraft missiles and tanks and F16s has cost Ukrainian lives and probably bolstered Russia. Obama was right when he said "never underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up."
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Exactly.
 
Cypress said:
NATO is never going to walk away from Eastern Europe to satisfy the blackmail you and Vlad want to extort from us.

Ukraine is never going to just hand over large swaths of it's sovereign territory to satisfy Putin's imperialist ambitions.

While you were totally expecting swift and complete Russian victory in February 2022, you better prepare yourself for the fact Ukraine is never going to surrender to Russia, and the only question left is whether Putin will be allowed to keep the thin strip of land along the shores of the Sea of Azov he currently occupies.
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Me and Vlad....:laugh: Like I said. Its obvious you are just blowing smoke. Keep on blowing,....eventually that will be all you have.
 
Cypress said:
NATO is never going to walk away from Eastern Europe to satisfy the blackmail you and Vlad want to extort from us.

Ukraine is never going to just hand over large swaths of it's sovereign territory to satisfy Putin's imperialist ambitions.

While you were totally expecting swift and complete Russian victory in February 2022, you better prepare yourself for the fact Ukraine is never going to surrender to Russia, and the only question left is whether Putin will be allowed to keep the thin strip of land along the shores of the Sea of Azov he currently occupies.
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:laugh:
 
Stone said:
War isnt to be trifled with. Either ALL In or not at all. Half steps only cause the suffering to last longer. Do we REALLY care about Ukraine or not. If the answer is YES then you send in NATO. You dont screw around like we are.
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Wars do have non intended consequences. But if you allowed Russia to wander in and knock Ukraine without consequences , like they did with Crimea, they just might keep doing that sort of thing. This has shades of Hitler attacking Poland..then ...France... then... Great Britain...
 
ExpressLane said:
Wars do have non intended consequences. But if you allowed Russia to wander in and knock Ukraine without consequences , like they did with Crimea, they just might keep doing that sort of thing. This has shades of Hitler attacking Poland..then ...France... then... Great Britain...
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Understood. Then lets quit screwing around and send in NATO forces on the ground and put this to bed. Do you think Biden will do that? :laugh: Or if NATO chooses against it then we should just go it alone without them. We all KNOW that Biden will NEVER do that. People like Bartender and Cypress can spew all the CAUSE OF FREEDOM bullshit they want to,....but if they are not in full support of American direct involvement than it is just that....bullshit. Myself,...im sick of the lies. Have been for many years now.
 
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ExpressLane said:
I think Stone is worried about too many Ukrainians getting killed. I think the Ukrainians are worried about Freedom. We need to remember if we don't stand for freedom who does. Freedom pass it on.
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You are a good man!

And smart enough to know Putin would never stop, and that as soon as he scorched the Ukraine to the ground- next stop Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and on to POLAND and beyond!
 
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Stone said:
Understood. Then lets quit screwing around and send in NATO forces on the ground and put this to bed. Do you think Biden will do that? :laugh: Or of NATO chooses against it then we should just go it alone without them. We all KNOW that Biden will NEVER do that. People like Bartender and Cypress can spew all the CAUSE OF FREEDOM bullshit they want to,....but if they are not in full support of American direct involvement than it us just that....bullshit. Myself,...im sick of the lies. Have been for many years now.
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Ukraine only needs our NATOs full support with military supplies. They already have more soldier in the field than Russia does. With ATACMS they could push Russia ammo depots back. That means Russia would have to transport munition 200 miles to the front which means long convoys. If they have F16s they can get air superiority. Those convoys would be sitting ducks. It is hard to fight without munitions.
 
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