New UN IPCC report claims ‘Now or Never’ to flight climate – That’s an easy choice

[T. A. Gardner]

You can hope for that, stupid fuck, but it is merely an irrelevant diversion from the fact we’re pumping in massive amounts of CO2. How do YOU account for the most CO2 we’ve had in the last several hundred thousand years?

Our "massive amounts" is a miniscule part of what nature pumps into the atmosphere. How do you account for the planet being hotter for most of its geologic history with short periods of glaciation?

 

[domer76]

Our "massive amounts" is a miniscule part of what nature pumps into the atmosphere. How do you account for the planet being hotter for most of its geologic history with short periods of glaciation?

There goes your ignorance, dumbfuck. You see, here’s the issue. What it is NOT ABOUT is earth’s geologic history when humans did not inhabit the planet to the tune of 8 BILLION people.

It WAS hotter when there was huge amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere. But, dumbfuck, there were NO PEOPLE.

That would have been the Pliocene era, 3 MILLION years ago, when the temps were just a few degrees warmer. Guess what dumbfuck, sea levels were 40 ft or more above now and Houston, Miami and NYC are under water.

Just try to fucking think things through a tad bit before you show your ignorance.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

There goes your ignorance, dumbfuck. You see, here’s the issue. What it is NOT ABOUT is earth’s geologic history when humans did not inhabit the planet to the tune of 8 BILLION people.

It WAS hotter when there was huge amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere. But, dumbfuck, there were NO PEOPLE.

That would have been the Pliocene era, 3 MILLION years ago, when the temps were just a few degrees warmer. Guess what dumbfuck, sea levels were 40 ft or more above now and Houston, Miami and NYC are under water.

Just try to fucking think things through a tad bit before you show your ignorance.

When you hear about carbon dioxide emissions it is referred to in terms like gigatons, but remember for each of these gigatons that we emit old Ma Nature is outpacing us about twenty to one.
http://jer-skepticscorner.blogspot.com/2009/05/spit-and-pie-charts.html

It's you that is ignorant. The human contribution to atmospheric CO2 is miniscule. It is not the only contributor to possible anthropogenic climate change. In fact, contrails emitted by jet aircraft are very possibly a greater contributor because water vapor in the form of clouds is multitudes more effective in trapping heat. Also, most of the so-called climate change has happened since 1940, when it just so happens that contrails begin to show up in quantity.

 

[domer76]

When you hear about carbon dioxide emissions it is referred to in terms like gigatons, but remember for each of these gigatons that we emit old Ma Nature is outpacing us about twenty to one.
http://jer-skepticscorner.blogspot.com/2009/05/spit-and-pie-charts.html

It's you that is ignorant. The human contribution to atmospheric CO2 is miniscule. It is not the only contributor to possible anthropogenic climate change. In fact, contrails emitted by jet aircraft are very possibly a greater contributor because water vapor in the form of clouds is multitudes more effective in trapping heat. Also, most of the so-called climate change has happened since 1940, when it just so happens that contrails begin to show up in quantity.

3 MILLION years ago, stupid fuck, the levels were this high. Seas were 40 feet higher.

Are you trying to say that jet contrails are not man made?

 

[serendipity]

Well, you should feel sorry for yourself then, not me, since this is "how it works":

Science writing is a profession. Journals regularly publish articles by professional writers in collaboration the scientists on whose research the articles are based.

I hadn't realised you were that clueless, sad

 

[serendipity]

Two recently published studies confirm that the climate thousands of years ago was as warm or warmer than today’s – a fact disputed by some believers in the narrative of largely human-caused global warming. That was an era when CO2 levels were much lower than now, long before industrialization and SUVs.

One study demonstrates that the period known as the Roman Warming was the warmest in the last 2,000 years. The other study provides evidence that it was just as warm up to 6,000 years ago. Both studies reinforce the occurrence of an even warmer period immediately following the end of the last ice age 11,000 years ago, known as the Holocene Thermal Maximum.

The first study, undertaken by a group of Italian and Spanish researchers, reconstructed sea surface temperatures in the Mediterranean Sea over the past 5,300 years. Because temperature measurement using scientific thermometers goes back only to the 18th century, temperatures for earlier periods must be reconstructed from proxy data using indirect sources such as tree rings, ice cores, leaf fossils or boreholes.

This particular study utilized fossilized amoeba skeletons found in seabed sediments. The ratio of magnesium to calcium in the skeletons is a measure of the seawater temperature at the time the sediment was deposited; a timeline can be established by radiocarbon dating. The researchers focused on the central part of the Mediterranean Sea, specifically the Sicily Channel as indicated by the red arrow in the figure below. The samples came from a depth of 475 meters (1,550 feet).

Analysis of the data found that ancient sea surface temperatures in the Sicily Channel ranged from 16.4 degrees Celsius (61.5 degrees Fahrenheit) to 22.7 degrees Celsius (72.9 degrees Fahrenheit) over the period from 3300 BCE to July 2014. This is illustrated in the next figure, in which the dark blue dashed line represents the Sicily Channel raw temperature data and the thick dark blue solid line shows smoothed values. The other lines are Mediterranean temperatures reconstructed by other research groups.

The second study was conducted by archaeologists in Norway, who discovered a treasure trove of arrows, arrowheads, clothing and other artifacts, unearthed by receding ice in a mountainous region of the country. Because the artifacts would have been deposited when no ice covered the ground, and are only being exposed now due to global warming, temperatures must have been at least as high as today during the many periods when the artifacts were cast aside.

The oldest arrows and artifacts date from around 4100 BCE, the youngest from approximately 1300 CE, at the end of the Medieval Warm Period. That the artifacts come from several different periods separated by hundreds or thousands of years implies that the ice and snow in the region must have expanded and receded several times over the past 6,000 years.

During the Holocene Thermal Maximum, which occurred from approximately 10,000 to 6,000 years ago and preceded the period of the stunning Norwegian discoveries, global temperatures were higher yet. In upper latitudes, where the most reliable proxies are found, it was an estimated 2-3 degrees Celsius (3.6-5.4 degrees Fahrenheit) warmer than at present. The warmth contributed to the rise of agricultural societies around the globe and the development of human civilization.

Paradoxically though, the Greenland ice sheet – the present melting of which has sparked heated debate – is thought to have been even larger at the peak of the Holocene Thermal Maximum than it is today, when Greenland temperatures are lower. This can be seen in the following figure, showing that the ice sheet extent was about the same as now about 7,500 years (7.5 ka) ago, and even greater before that. The ice did, however, retract to a minimum during the intervening period (up to 7.5 ka ago) that includes both the Roman Warming and the period of the Norwegian discoveries discussed above.

https://www.scienceunderattack.com/...the-ancient-climate-was-warmer-than-todays-68

 

[martin]

I hadn't realised you were that clueless, sad

Instead of letting it go when you've been corrected you post a witless insult. What a weakling does.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

I thought we put the last chance safely behind us twenty years ago....

 

[serendipity]

Instead of letting it go when you've been corrected you post a witless insult. What a weakling does.

I haven't been corrected fool, but you're far too witless to understand.

 

[serendipity]

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Even the Krauts are waking up to the new reality, I predicted this some time back but thought it would take a few more years for reality to dawn on them. Same thing is happening in the UK where the ICE cars deadline has been put back to 2035. How long before Californicators wake up in similar fashion?

Will Germany be the first to ditch its net zero commitments?

Which country will become the first to rat on its net zero target, to find some of putting it off, watering it down – or changing the definition of what counts? There must be a lot of money on it being Germany.

Things are not going well in Germany’s bid to reach net zero by 2045, five years earlier even than Britain’s own unrealistic target. For months, the German government has been trying to devise a way to save its heavy industry from high energy prices which are sending production fleeing to Asia. Just last year, chemicals giant BASF announced that it would invest in a new £10 billion plant in China rather than Europe, thanks to the cost of energy.

Now, the government seems to have found a way. It is going to raid its £200 billion climate transition fund, which was supposed to invest in green technology. The fund was also meant to compensate householders who have been groaning under the expense of policies such as next year’s proposed ban on new gas boilers.

Instead, some of the money will be going towards subsidising cheaper energy for heavy users (although householders may end up paying more). Needless to say, some of the subsidies will be disappearing into the pockets of the owners of coal-fired power stations – given that some of these have had to be fired up again to cope with the disappearance of Russian gas.

At the same time, Germany is pushing back against EU proposals for new reporting requirements on climate and other environmental issues. It wants to change the rules so that they affect only companies employing more than 500 people, rather than 250. The German car industry has already succeeded in watering down an EU ban on petrol and diesel cars from 2035 – internal combustion engines will still be allowed if they are capable of being run on synthetic ‘e-fuels’ manufactured from hydrogen and carbon dioxide. Given that you can make synthetic fuels to any recipe you like, this effectively means that the car industry will be able to continue making internal combustion engines pretty much as now.


So how did Europe’s most ambitious nation on net zero turn into a laggard (without so far actually ditching the increasingly unreachable 2045 target)? Reality, that’s what.
For years, Germany pursued a policy of relying on cheap Russian gas while hoping that some solution to the problem of intermittent renewables would magically appear. This is a policy which it continued even as Putin lined up his tanks on Ukraine’s borders – three nuclear power stations were closed prematurely on New Year’s Eve 2021.


Now, the costs are becoming clearer. Wind and solar are not going to deliver sufficient energy that is cheap and reliable enough to replace all fossil fuels – at least not without some as-yet unclear technology to allow the affordable storage of vast quantities of energy. The inevitable result of trying to plough on with net zero will be yet more sections of German industry disappearing off to South Asia, which is unencumbered by legally-binding targets.

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wor...to-ditch-its-net-zero-commitments/#more-67467

 

[serendipity]

Two recently published studies confirm that the climate thousands of years ago was as warm or warmer than today’s – a fact disputed by some believers in the narrative of largely human-caused global warming. That was an era when CO2 levels were much lower than now, long before industrialization and SUVs.

One study demonstrates that the period known as the Roman Warming was the warmest in the last 2,000 years. The other study provides evidence that it was just as warm up to 6,000 years ago. Both studies reinforce the occurrence of an even warmer period immediately following the end of the last ice age 11,000 years ago, known as the Holocene Thermal Maximum.

The first study, undertaken by a group of Italian and Spanish researchers, reconstructed sea surface temperatures in the Mediterranean Sea over the past 5,300 years. Because temperature measurement using scientific thermometers goes back only to the 18th century, temperatures for earlier periods must be reconstructed from proxy data using indirect sources such as tree rings, ice cores, leaf fossils or boreholes.

This particular study utilized fossilized amoeba skeletons found in seabed sediments. The ratio of magnesium to calcium in the skeletons is a measure of the seawater temperature at the time the sediment was deposited; a timeline can be established by radiocarbon dating. The researchers focused on the central part of the Mediterranean Sea, specifically the Sicily Channel as indicated by the red arrow in the figure below. The samples came from a depth of 475 meters (1,550 feet).

Analysis of the data found that ancient sea surface temperatures in the Sicily Channel ranged from 16.4 degrees Celsius (61.5 degrees Fahrenheit) to 22.7 degrees Celsius (72.9 degrees Fahrenheit) over the period from 3300 BCE to July 2014. This is illustrated in the next figure, in which the dark blue dashed line represents the Sicily Channel raw temperature data and the thick dark blue solid line shows smoothed values. The other lines are Mediterranean temperatures reconstructed by other research groups.

The second study was conducted by archaeologists in Norway, who discovered a treasure trove of arrows, arrowheads, clothing and other artifacts, unearthed by receding ice in a mountainous region of the country. Because the artifacts would have been deposited when no ice covered the ground, and are only being exposed now due to global warming, temperatures must have been at least as high as today during the many periods when the artifacts were cast aside.

The oldest arrows and artifacts date from around 4100 BCE, the youngest from approximately 1300 CE, at the end of the Medieval Warm Period. That the artifacts come from several different periods separated by hundreds or thousands of years implies that the ice and snow in the region must have expanded and receded several times over the past 6,000 years.

During the Holocene Thermal Maximum, which occurred from approximately 10,000 to 6,000 years ago and preceded the period of the stunning Norwegian discoveries, global temperatures were higher yet. In upper latitudes, where the most reliable proxies are found, it was an estimated 2-3 degrees Celsius (3.6-5.4 degrees Fahrenheit) warmer than at present. The warmth contributed to the rise of agricultural societies around the globe and the development of human civilization.

Paradoxically though, the Greenland ice sheet – the present melting of which has sparked heated debate – is thought to have been even larger at the peak of the Holocene Thermal Maximum than it is today, when Greenland temperatures are lower. This can be seen in the following figure, showing that the ice sheet extent was about the same as now about 7,500 years (7.5 ka) ago, and even greater before that. The ice did, however, retract to a minimum during the intervening period (up to 7.5 ka ago) that includes both the Roman Warming and the period of the Norwegian discoveries discussed above.

https://www.scienceunderattack.com/...the-ancient-climate-was-warmer-than-todays-68

Where's Dumber69?

 

[ptif219]

New UN IPCC report claims ‘Now or Never’ to flight climate – That’s an easy choice – NEVER! – More tipping points – Point-by-point rebuttal

https://twitter.com/x/status/1511567251748630530

"Absolutely nothing in this IPCC report is true. It is all fake and threatens the existence of civilization, especially the West because the East and the South don’t buy it. We must reject it or face the consequences. Celebrate CO2!!"


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IPCC climate change report headline via AFP: Scientists warn it’s now or never to limit global warming – The boss of the United Nations has erupted at world leaders as scientists warn the planet is in peril unless urgent action is taken.

UN Claim: “Humans have less than three years to halt the rise of planet-warming carbon emissions and less than a decade to slash them by nearly half, UN climate experts said. … It’s a last-gasp race to ensure the world has a “liveable future”.
“It’s now or never, if we want to limit global warming to 1.5C,” said Jim Skea, a professor at Imperial College London and co-chair of the working group behind the report.

Climate Depot Response: “‘Now or Never’ again?! Easy choice, NEVER!” See: Earth ‘serially doomed’: The official history of climate ‘Tipping Points’ began in 1864







AFP: UN Claim: UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres said: “Some government and business leaders are saying one thing, but doing another. Simply put: They are lying. And the results will be catastrophic.”

UN Claim: “The IPCC made clear that individuals can also make a big difference…Cutting back on long-haul flights, switching to plant-based diets, climate-proofing buildings and other ways of cutting the consumption”

Climate Depot Response: “Ignore the UN’s promotion of energy lockdowns to ‘fight’ climate change. More restrictions on plentiful energy to turn peoples’ lives into micromanaged deprivation all in the service of some cultish climate goals. See: Intl Energy Agency report urges ENERGY LOCKDOWNS: ‘Banning use of private cars on Sundays…Reducing highway speed limits…more working from home…cutting business air travel’ & SUV ‘tax’

UN Claim: Olha Boiko, an activist from the Climate Action Network, based in Ukraine, said: “The money, that we begged not to invest in dirty energy, is now flying over our heads in the form of bombs.”
Climate Depot Response: “Let’s rework Boiko’s claim into a true statement: Accurate revision: “The money, that we begged the U.S. & Europe not to invest in unreliable solar and wind that produces very little energy compared to fossil fuels, is now flying over our heads in the form of bombs because Europe and the U.S. had to rely on Russia’s fossil fuels and thus fund Putin’s war machine.”

https://www.climatedepot.com/2022/0...an-easy-choice-never-point-by-point-rebuttal/

It is the same doom and gloom they have been saying for 50 years. Prior reports and predictions said the icecaps would be gone by now and the oceans would rise and water would cover Florida. the lies and fuzzy science just shows this is about politics and control over the people. the middle class and the poor are the ones that these fake scientist will cause to suffer

 

[ptif219]

Let's hope it's not just hot air!

New IPCC chairman is right to rebuke misleading climate alarm

The Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF) has welcomed the rebuke of exaggerated climate hype and alarm by the IPCC’s new chairman, Professor Jim Skea.

In interviews with German news media over the weekend the new head of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) said it was wrong and misleading for climate activists to imply that temperature increases of 1.5 degrees Celsius posed an existential threat to humanity.

https://www.thegwpf.org/new-ipcc-chairman-is-right-to-rebuke-misleading-climate-alarm/

We know that it is. They sound more like politicans than scientist