PEOPLE WHO PURCHASE GAS-POWERED CARS: ‘SORT OF LIKE BUILDING A HORSE BARN IN 1910’

[T. A. Gardner]

ALL-ELECTRIC TESLA SEMI GO HEAD-TO-HEAD WITH A DIESEL 18-WHEELER: ‘IT’S GOT TREMENDOUS POWER’

Medium- and heavy-duty trucks in the United States send nearly 920 billion pounds of pollution into the atmosphere.
by Leo Collis*/*August 28, 2023

https://apple.news/AoOWsd2g8RbeJbO7dzBFmaw

Scalable, sustainable trucking is one of the final frontiers for cleaner road travel, and a new video has demonstrated just how game-changing Tesla’s electric Semi could be.
In a video captured by Zanegler and posted to X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, a Tesla Semi is seen passing a similar-sized diesel truck with ease on the Donner Pass.*
The X user noted that the trailer is carrying “a significant weight,” which makes the performance even more impressive as it tackles the road’s incline.*
According to Tesla, the Semi is capable of reaching 60 miles per hour from standing in just 20 seconds, while the estimated range on a full charge can be up to 500 miles. It reportedly consumes under 2 kilowatt hours of electricity per mile and can recover up to 70% of charge in just 30 minutes at appropriate charging stations.*
Per Ian Tiseo of Statista, medium- and heavy-duty trucks in the United States send nearly 920 billion pounds (417 metric tons) of pollution into the atmosphere. Compared to similar levels from 1990, this marks an increase of around 78%.

Now, if only they can make them where they don't explode in flames...

Nikola had major defect in its Romeo battery, may have caused truck fire
https://electrek.co/2023/06/27/nikola-major-battery-defect-trucks-caught-fire/

Nikola recalls all battery-electric trucks, halts sales after fire probe
https://www.reuters.com/business/au...9-class-8-battery-electric-trucks-2023-08-11/

Then there's the battery pack issue. Tesla's semi-truck battery weighs about 8,000 lbs. This means that the truck can haul roughly 3 to 4 tons less freight as an EV. That is about a 15% decrease in load and likely will result in higher freight charges for all goods hauled.

 

[Into the Night]

Or, the Left having forced EV's on the public finds that as they increased in number that there would never be enough infrastructure to support them. The public reacted to their plan with increasingly negative resolve and the Left soon found themselves voted out of office. The result of that was most of their EV laws, rules, and regulations were overturned or dumped.

Worse, the car manufacturers now had a working fuel cell vehicle that was non-polluting and cheaper to make than EV's turned out to be. By 2040, the Left had nothing remaining to push in terms of EV's and all they could do was lament how the public didn't understand what they wanted to do. A few years later the Left and their allies in the media had dropped the whole EV thing as if it never happened...

That is far more likely to be the case.

Fuel cells require rare earths to function, which will make those rare earths horrifically expensive to make that many of them.
Fuel cells have poor ramp up time to power, meaning you STILL NEED THE DAMN BATTERIES.
Hydrogen must be manufactured. That will require MORE electric power then simply charging the EV in the first place. That will be even harder on infrastructure than just EVs.
Hydrogen is difficult to handle as well. Fueling often takes 30 minutes or more due to the effects of the ideal gas law.

 

[Into the Night]

no.

But it is only Maga who cry and whine and bitch about any and all advancements.

EVs are not advancements. Novelty fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

Yes. Yes Terry we all know the same arguments you made in the past and just keep recycling for EV's, Green Energy, and anything new, technology wise.

Novelty fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

The EV is a non-necessity. It doesn't do anything particularly better than an ICE vehicle does. What increase in useful performance does the EV bring to the table? Does it carry more passengers than similar ICE vehicles do? Is it significantly more affordable to buy? Can it tow like an ICE vehicle can?

Essentially, the only thing the EV brings to the table is it doesn't create air pollution when driven. If that doesn't matter or appeal to you, the EV has nothing to sell itself on.

With horses v. cars on the other hand, there were obvious and clear advantages to the ICE vehicle over a horse. People could see that, and pointing out the few naysayers won't change that. Nobody had to be forced to buy an ICE vehicle, the choice over a horse was obvious.

How Long Did It Take The Automobile To Replace The Horse And Buggy?

In one decade, cars replaced horses (and bicycles) as the standard form of transport for people and goods in the United States. In 1907 there were 140,300 cars registered in the U.S. and a paltry 2,900 trucks.
https://great-american-adventures.c...he-automobile-to-replace-the-horse-and-buggy/

It didn't take government intervention and banning horses to get people to recognize the advantages of ICE vehicles. It has taken government intervention and banning of ICE vehicles to get people to go to EV's.

If you don't buy the Left's Gorebal Warming narrative and think the air is clean enough, then there isn't any reason whatsoever to choose an EV over an ICE vehicle.

EVs have great acceleration. That's really their only advantage. Gasoline vehicles do far better in every other aspect.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

As for Rivian...

Rivian shares plunge again on weak sales, outlook
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/01/investing/rivian-share-plunge/index.html

Rivian Collapses From Its IPO
https://247wallst.com/autos/2023/03/21/rivian-collapses-from-its-ipo/

Rivian is teetering on the brink of bankruptcy and may well go the way Lordstown Motors did earlier this year...

 

[T. A. Gardner]

EVs have great acceleration. That's really their only advantage. Gasoline vehicles do far better in every other aspect.

I suppose if you are drag racing or something that's a significant advantage, but hardly one to buy the vehicle on for general street use.

 

[floridafan]

Change for the sake of change, along with its more virulent and dangerous cousin, change forced on everyone by a minority or government, more often than not results in expensive failure. The chances of that happening increase the faster and harder the push is to make that change.

In time the EV will be cheaper to purchase, cheaper to run with far less maintenance.

 

[Truth Detector]

PEOPLE WHO PURCHASE GAS-POWERED CARS: ‘SORT OF LIKE BUILDING A HORSE BARN IN 1910’

https://apple.news/AJEBFK1xYRkqFj-Us9kwNoQ

The CEO of the fast-growing electric vehicle company Rivian Automotive has shared some strong statements about purchasing a car with an internal-combustion engine (ICE).
In conversation with Robinson Meyer of Heatmap, Rivian CEO R.J. Scaringe suggested that those buying an ICE vehicle would be ignoring the progress being made in the EV space and would soon experience regret for their decision.*
“I think the reality of buying a combustion-powered vehicle … is sort of like building a horse barn in 1910,” he said. “Imagine buying a Chevy Suburban in 2030 … what are you going to do with that … in 10 years?”
“Gas stations will be slowly disappearing,” he added. “It’s just weird.”
With shifts in consumer attitudes, positive policy decisions regarding EVs worldwide, and improved drivability, Scaringe told Heatmap that the increased interest and uptake in EVs is “awesome to see.”*
“If you’d told me just a few years ago,” Scaringe went on, “that Europe would be committing to 100% of new vehicles being electric … that California would be making that commitment in the same way, that the United States, through EPA regulations, is going to be 60% EV of new sales by 2030, I don’t think I would have believed it.”

Poor MAGA. They're running out of Depends.

Good lord, you give new meaning to the term uneducated moron. So an article written by the CEO of an electric car maker that hasn't made its shareholders a dime is credible?

Qtr. EPS Est. -1.37 Q3 2023 Qtr. Year Ago -1.57 Q3 2022
Ann. EPS Est. -5.19 FY 2023 Ann. Year Ago -7.40 FY 2022
Next Report 12/14/2023 Last Report 08/08/2023
Fiscal Yr Ends December 31 No. of Analysts 21

Electric cars are expensive and very heavy. Their range is about 100 to 200 miles if you are lucky and it is not hot summer or very cold winter. They are primarily manufactured with materials derived from oil byproducts. It takes anywhere from 6 to 12 hours to obtain a full charge depending on the charging location and how far the battery has been drained.

If you are going to drive one, make sure you stay within the cities limits and not attempt any long-distance driving unless you plan to add days or even weeks to your timeline.

Far better to buy a hybrid which can still use gas which is readily available and cheap in comparison.

 

[Truth Detector]

Your EV will be a planter in 10 years.

Particularly if and when the massive batteries need to be replaced.

Clueless leftTards who praise this technology don't want to know what a dirty shit hole industry it is mining the cobalt. Of course, when it happens in third world polluting shit holes, they think they are being environmentally friendly.

Yes, they really are THAT dumb and THAT gullible.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Horse and buggy was not made illegal against the will of the people, they were allowed to choose, so not at all the same.

 

[Truth Detector]

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No, the message is hidden because Joe Capitalist is an uneducated dotard who doesn't like contrary opinions that debunk the koolaid he drinks by the gallons.

 

[Truth Detector]

ALL-ELECTRIC TESLA SEMI GO HEAD-TO-HEAD WITH A DIESEL 18-WHEELER: ‘IT’S GOT TREMENDOUS POWER’

Medium- and heavy-duty trucks in the United States send nearly 920 billion pounds of pollution into the atmosphere.
by Leo Collis*/*August 28, 2023

https://apple.news/AoOWsd2g8RbeJbO7dzBFmaw

Scalable, sustainable trucking is one of the final frontiers for cleaner road travel, and a new video has demonstrated just how game-changing Tesla’s electric Semi could be.
In a video captured by Zanegler and posted to X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, a Tesla Semi is seen passing a similar-sized diesel truck with ease on the Donner Pass.*
The X user noted that the trailer is carrying “a significant weight,” which makes the performance even more impressive as it tackles the road’s incline.*
According to Tesla, the Semi is capable of reaching 60 miles per hour from standing in just 20 seconds, while the estimated range on a full charge can be up to 500 miles. It reportedly consumes under 2 kilowatt hours of electricity per mile and can recover up to 70% of charge in just 30 minutes at appropriate charging stations.*
Per Ian Tiseo of Statista, medium- and heavy-duty trucks in the United States send nearly 920 billion pounds (417 metric tons) of pollution into the atmosphere. Compared to similar levels from 1990, this marks an increase of around 78%.

 

[Truth Detector]

I assume you mean, as most of us use the the word "gas" to casually reference it, gasoline, right?
Not propane or anything like that, I'll assume.

Building a horse barn in 1910 is a fairly good analogy, I think,
because while 1910 was admittedly late for horse barn building,
it still wasn't completely unreasonable to build a horse barn in 1910.

2023 is probably just a little bit late to buy internal combustion engine motorcars,
but we still haven't reached the point where it's unreasonable to be buying one.

Building an urban horse barn in 1940, however, would raise a few eyebrows, and maybe, eventually,
it will be that way with gasoline fueled cars.

 

[Truth Detector]

If you buy a gas car now, you're gonna have trouble selling it in ten years.
It'll be obsolete.

Only if the Marxist Democratic Party is in power and forces everyone to buy electric against their wishes. But I don't think that day will come anytime soon. Americans are getting fed up with the tired failed policies of the Marxist Democrats and at the extreme costs their stupidity create.

 

[QP!]

The EV is a non-necessity. It doesn't do anything particularly better than an ICE vehicle does. What increase in useful performance does the EV bring to the table? Does it carry more passengers than similar ICE vehicles do? Is it significantly more affordable to buy? Can it tow like an ICE vehicle can?

Essentially, the only thing the EV brings to the table is it doesn't create air pollution when driven. If that doesn't matter or appeal to you, the EV has nothing to sell itself on.

With horses v. cars on the other hand, there were obvious and clear advantages to the ICE vehicle over a horse. People could see that, and pointing out the few naysayers won't change that. Nobody had to be forced to buy an ICE vehicle, the choice over a horse was obvious.

How Long Did It Take The Automobile To Replace The Horse And Buggy?

In one decade, cars replaced horses (and bicycles) as the standard form of transport for people and goods in the United States. In 1907 there were 140,300 cars registered in the U.S. and a paltry 2,900 trucks.
https://great-american-adventures.c...he-automobile-to-replace-the-horse-and-buggy/

It didn't take government intervention and banning horses to get people to recognize the advantages of ICE vehicles. It has taken government intervention and banning of ICE vehicles to get people to go to EV's.

If you don't buy the Left's Gorebal Warming narrative and think the air is clean enough, then there isn't any reason whatsoever to choose an EV over an ICE vehicle.

Terry do you know what paved roads and highways are?

Do you know they are generally paid for by gov't and tax dollars?

Do you know the role roads and interconnecting highways played in making the automobile a transformative technology and how much more isolated the tech would have remained had the gov't not embarked on that?

And lol at 'air pollution' having to be something that 'appeals to you'.

 

[Truth Detector]

no.

But it is only Maga who cry and whine and bitch about any and all advancements.

 

[Truth Detector]

In time the EV will be cheaper to purchase, cheaper to run with far less maintenance.

Lie, lame and moronic.

 

[Truth Detector]

Terry do you know what paved roads and highways are?

Do you know you are a moron?

Do you know they are generally paid for by gov't and tax dollars?

Governments do not pay for anything. They must first confiscate through force, if necessary, the hard-earned wealth of taxpaying citizens.

Of course, you being an insufferable moron, you wouldn't know that.

Do you know the role roads and interconnecting highways played in making the automobile a transformative technology and how much more isolated the tech would have remained had the gov't not embarked on that?

Government wasn't the reason dumbass; it was development and progress that created that demand. Railroads that opened the West were PRIVATE, not Government owned.

And lol at 'air pollution' having to be something that 'appeals to you'.

STRAWMAN ALERT!!!

 

[Truth Detector]

I Rented A Tesla For A Week And Am Totally Sold On Gas-Powered Cars

After test-driving one for an entire week, we learned we will never buy a Tesla or any electric vehicle as long as we have the option of gas-powered cars or even hybrids.

Battery Drainage Is Stress-Inducing
In the Tesla, stress is a given. The battery drains faster than you might think. Our Model 3 had an advertised range of about 300 miles, but that’s if you charge it to 100 percent (which no one does) and run it to 0 percent (which no one does). So the practical range is about 150-200 miles. We felt compelled to recharge after going just 150 miles versus refueling after about 450 miles in our Honda Accord. The battery even drained 10 percent just sitting in the driveway for about a day. Granted, we covered some distances in Washington state during our travels. But that confirms EVs are a poor choice for road trips unless you enjoy the risk of being stranded.

Few Charging Station Locations and Length of Time There
Yes, there are now more than 1,500 “supercharger” stations across the U.S. Regular chargers can be found at hotels, where guests at least have a room to stay in while charging for three to six hours. We plugged into a Tesla charger at a hotel for nearly three hours to get the battery up to 85 percent from about 30. Compare that with about 150,000 gas stations where we could fill up in less than five minutes and be on our way, ready for the next 500 miles. Even at a supercharger, we had to wait about 30 minutes to up the battery charge by 50 percent. And it’s all a matter of luck if there are amenities close by, especially if you need a charge when it’s late at night.

Personal Safety at Charging Locations Can Feel Dicey
It’s a good idea to plan the times at which you charge your vehicle. We had to stop on a Sunday evening at a supercharger located in an Ikea parking lot. Ikea was closed, and there were no walkable amenities around it. Ditto for our visit to another Tesla supercharger located across from a pawn shop. I got the uneasy feeling that many of these unsupervised locations — and the length of time required to be there — were crime scenes waiting to happen. Sure you can stop charging and be on your way. But on your way to where? To another supercharger.

Don’t Expect the Cost of a Battery Charge to Always Be Lower than Gasoline
There are so many variables in fuel/charging costs, it’s hard to know if you’re getting a deal. When we tapped the “lightning bolt” image on the Tesla’s touch screen, we got a list of superchargers in the region as well as the cost per kilowatt hour, which varied from about 18 cents to about 50 cents. Our cheapest total charge was around $7 and ranged up to $25. We generally didn’t put more than a 50 percent charge into the car at any one time, and given the miles driven, the $25 charge was about the same as we would have paid for gas. Since there are government subsidies both for purchasing an EV and for charging, I would expect those prices to rise if everyone gets with the program and demand is up.

But pigs will fly before I buy an EV based on my Tesla experience/experiment. This conclusion is not based on a one-hour test drive but on an entire week of driving in an EV-friendly part of the country.

https://thefederalist.com/2023/08/2...week-and-am-totally-sold-on-gas-powered-cars/