Logging on Private Property

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What rights does the club have (or should the club have) on their own property?


Bohemian Club wins timber-harvesting permit

The Bohemian Club, the secretive, men-only society known for its annual bacchanal on a sprawling forest enclave in Sonoma County, has won state approval for a logging plan allowing the group to harvest as much as 1.7 million board feet of timber a year.

The state Department of Forestry and Fire Protection's endorsement of the club's controversial permit essentially eliminates government oversight of its timber-harvesting practices over the next century.

While the 130-year-old club, whose members are believed to have included every Republican president since Herbert Hoover, argues the logging plan will help reduce fire risk and restore its 2,700-acre Russian River encampment to a natural state, critics say the forest, its streams and wildlife could suffer broad, long-term damage.

"If we fly over the area in 30 or 40 years, we'll see pockets that are relatively pristine and other areas that will look like a commercial tree farm - a mosaic of industrially managed stands," said John Hooper, a former club member who resigned in 2004 in protest of the organization's logging practices.

Hooper and others are particularly concerned about the preservation of old-growth redwoods, which Hooper said have been felled on several occasions in the San Francisco club's history. Hooper said that in 2001 he helped halt the cutting of one section of the mammoth trees.

But Bohemian Club spokesman Sam Singer emphasized that the old-growth stands are of immense importance to the club's 2,000 members and that none of the giant redwoods will be chopped down; rather, logging will focus on Douglas fir and tan oaks. In addition, each harvested tree will be replaced by redwood seedlings, he said.

Old-growth protection

"Second-, third- and fourth-generation redwoods will be thinned so that if there is a devastating fire, firefighters will have the opportunity to stop it before it reaches the old-growth stand," Singer said.

The state's sign-off on the plan Tuesday marked the last chapter in a nearly four-year fight over logging in the Bohemian Grove, the largest remaining private redwood forest close to San Francisco and a lush habitat of the rare marbled murrelet, northern spotted owl, coho salmon and steelhead.

Between 1984 and about 2005, the club - whose members pay about $25,000 a year and include politicians, celebrities and captains of industry - logged about 11,000 redwood and other trees in relative obscurity. But that changed in early 2006 when some club members urged the board to seek a streamlined logging permit. Known as a "nonindustrial timber management plan" the permit gives the club permission to harvest on 2,300 acres of timberland through 2106 without having to submit to government review for each logging run. Instead, California forestry, wildlife and water regulators can inspect the logging practices at their discretion. To qualify for the permit, an owner can't have more than 2,500 acres of timberland; in recent years, the Bohemian Club has transferred some acreage to conservation groups in order to fall below the maximum.

Transparency sought

Environmentalists cried foul, claiming that the club was mischaracterizing some lands in order to qualify for the less-stringent permit and that comprehensive, continual government supervision is necessary to keep the Bohemian Club's operations transparent.

They also object to the group's argument that the logging is based purely on suppressing fires. In their application, the Bohemian Club's board contended that "crown bulk density," or the broad canopies created by tall trees, is the major fuel for fires, said Rich Fairbanks, fire program associate with the Wilderness Society. Fairbanks said surface and "ladder" fuels, such as twigs and brush, are more important. He said the club simply wants to harvest timber.

"This is what we call a timber sale in drag," Fairbanks said.

Under the state permit, maximum conifer logging allowed at the Bohemian Grove will increase from the current 700,000 board feet per year to as much as 1.7 million board feet per year in the 2087-2096 period.

Singer and the club insist, however, that any timber revenue will be funneled into tree replanting and forest restoration.

"Any money produced will go immediately into the preservation of the Bohemian Grove," Singer said. "This has more to do with the long-term health of the forest, it's not about money."


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/12/30/MNDC1BBK2G.DTL
 
Environmentalists don't want folks to cut trees. Its a fucking crop, people, just like corn or wheat; the only difference is it takes longer to grow. These fuckers would rather have the shit burn then have folks harvest lumber and build houses.

And of course their wacko policies only affect the US, apparently because only our politicians are stupid enough to listen to them.

Go down to your local lumber yard and look at the pallets of dimension lumber in the rear lot. You'll see stuff from Canada, South America, even fucking Europe, but you won't see much US lumber.

So tress will get harvested, just not in the US. Along with our energy and manufacturing, we import most of it, and export US dollars while our jobs go overseas and our economy is in the toilet.
 
Sm are you serious? I can't believe we sit her while don't own shit envro wacko's strip our property rights. Oh I know 99.9 percent are in my party.
 
Topstool you make zero sense so I can't even respond to you. Do you see why they call it dope?

He's so effin' stupid, he'll just get the munchies and eat his brain.

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Right fucking on!!!


What rights does the club have (or should the club have) on their own property?


Bohemian Club wins timber-harvesting permit

The Bohemian Club, the secretive, men-only society known for its annual bacchanal on a sprawling forest enclave in Sonoma County, has won state approval for a logging plan allowing the group to harvest as much as 1.7 million board feet of timber a year.

The state Department of Forestry and Fire Protection's endorsement of the club's controversial permit essentially eliminates government oversight of its timber-harvesting practices over the next century.

While the 130-year-old club, whose members are believed to have included every Republican president since Herbert Hoover, argues the logging plan will help reduce fire risk and restore its 2,700-acre Russian River encampment to a natural state, critics say the forest, its streams and wildlife could suffer broad, long-term damage.

"If we fly over the area in 30 or 40 years, we'll see pockets that are relatively pristine and other areas that will look like a commercial tree farm - a mosaic of industrially managed stands," said John Hooper, a former club member who resigned in 2004 in protest of the organization's logging practices.

Hooper and others are particularly concerned about the preservation of old-growth redwoods, which Hooper said have been felled on several occasions in the San Francisco club's history. Hooper said that in 2001 he helped halt the cutting of one section of the mammoth trees.

But Bohemian Club spokesman Sam Singer emphasized that the old-growth stands are of immense importance to the club's 2,000 members and that none of the giant redwoods will be chopped down; rather, logging will focus on Douglas fir and tan oaks. In addition, each harvested tree will be replaced by redwood seedlings, he said.

Old-growth protection

"Second-, third- and fourth-generation redwoods will be thinned so that if there is a devastating fire, firefighters will have the opportunity to stop it before it reaches the old-growth stand," Singer said.

The state's sign-off on the plan Tuesday marked the last chapter in a nearly four-year fight over logging in the Bohemian Grove, the largest remaining private redwood forest close to San Francisco and a lush habitat of the rare marbled murrelet, northern spotted owl, coho salmon and steelhead.

Between 1984 and about 2005, the club - whose members pay about $25,000 a year and include politicians, celebrities and captains of industry - logged about 11,000 redwood and other trees in relative obscurity. But that changed in early 2006 when some club members urged the board to seek a streamlined logging permit. Known as a "nonindustrial timber management plan" the permit gives the club permission to harvest on 2,300 acres of timberland through 2106 without having to submit to government review for each logging run. Instead, California forestry, wildlife and water regulators can inspect the logging practices at their discretion. To qualify for the permit, an owner can't have more than 2,500 acres of timberland; in recent years, the Bohemian Club has transferred some acreage to conservation groups in order to fall below the maximum.

Transparency sought

Environmentalists cried foul, claiming that the club was mischaracterizing some lands in order to qualify for the less-stringent permit and that comprehensive, continual government supervision is necessary to keep the Bohemian Club's operations transparent.

They also object to the group's argument that the logging is based purely on suppressing fires. In their application, the Bohemian Club's board contended that "crown bulk density," or the broad canopies created by tall trees, is the major fuel for fires, said Rich Fairbanks, fire program associate with the Wilderness Society. Fairbanks said surface and "ladder" fuels, such as twigs and brush, are more important. He said the club simply wants to harvest timber.

"This is what we call a timber sale in drag," Fairbanks said.

Under the state permit, maximum conifer logging allowed at the Bohemian Grove will increase from the current 700,000 board feet per year to as much as 1.7 million board feet per year in the 2087-2096 period.

Singer and the club insist, however, that any timber revenue will be funneled into tree replanting and forest restoration.

"Any money produced will go immediately into the preservation of the Bohemian Grove," Singer said. "This has more to do with the long-term health of the forest, it's not about money."


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/12/30/MNDC1BBK2G.DTL
 
Sm are you serious? I can't believe we sit her while don't own shit envro wacko's strip our property rights. Oh I know 99.9 percent are in my party.
Topper Translation:I can't believe we are sitting here taking that! While I don't own property myself, the enviro-whackos strip property right. Oh, I know that 99.9% of them are in my party. Are you serious? (Apparently Topper didn't know we imported lumber).
 
Topper Translation:I can't believe we are sitting here taking that! While I don't own property myself, the enviro-whackos strip property right. Oh, I know that 99.9% of them are in my party. Are you serious?


SF Gate! The most liberal screaming rag of the West Coast. These people are so whacked they promote picking your boogers and eating them as reducing your carbon footprint.
 
That's actually smart. If you treat the trees as a crop redwood is a fast-growing tree and used for so many things where you want splinterless wood...
 
SF Gate! The most liberal screaming rag of the West Coast. These people are so whacked they promote picking your boogers and eating them as reducing your carbon footprint.
LOL. Don't be replying to me. I was just translating topper into English...

Eating bogeys... :D
 
That's actually smart. If you treat the trees as a crop redwood is a fast-growing tree and used for so many things where you want splinterless wood...

That's what a good percentage of the loggers in this country do, but you show this information to a screaming, hand-wringing lib, and they summarily dismiss it out of hand.

Trees cut = B - A - D

Reforesting = B - L - I - N - D
 
Environmentalists don't want folks to cut trees. Its a fucking crop, people, just like corn or wheat; the only difference is it takes longer to grow. These fuckers would rather have the shit burn then have folks harvest lumber and build houses.

And of course their wacko policies only affect the US, apparently because only our politicians are stupid enough to listen to them.

Go down to your local lumber yard and look at the pallets of dimension lumber in the rear lot. You'll see stuff from Canada, South America, even fucking Europe, but you won't see much US lumber.

So tress will get harvested, just not in the US. Along with our energy and manufacturing, we import most of it, and export US dollars while our jobs go overseas and our economy is in the toilet.
What are you talking about? You're making sweeping generalizations about an entire class of people just to discredit them as a group. Hell everyone is "Pro-Environment". It aint a left or right political thing. It's a matter of walking the talk. I know a lot of conservative environmentalist. I've met my share of liberal too. Most environmentalist aint political activist. In fact, damn few really are. They just are environmentalist because that is what they do or at least strive too do.
 
Its easier to get Honduras mahogany here than Western redwood. Shit, I haven't even seen the stuff on a rack in 35 years.

And Southern pine is one of the best species for structural lumber, yet unless you buy treated or engineered lumber you'll get spruce-pine-fir from Canada or Europe. North Carolina is one of the nations top lumber producers but you can't find it at most lumber yards.

What's the carbon footprint to haul 2x4's here from Germany?

Nice going, you Greenies. Not only have you destroyed our economy and jobs, but you've fucked up the air as well.
 
What are you talking about? You're making sweeping generalizations about an entire class of people just to discredit them as a group. Hell everyone is "Pro-Environment". It aint a left or right political thing. It's a matter of walking the talk. I know a lot of conservative environmentalist. I've met my share of liberal too. Most environmentalist aint political activist. In fact, damn few really are. They just are environmentalist because that is what they do or at least strive too do.
You're confused old friend. I am a "conservationist", not an "environmentalist". Enviro's are wackos of the first degree and usually have no requisite knowledge of facts, logic and scientific principles.
 
The US Timber Industry has not been destroyed by the environmentalists.


"Timberlands
Two-thirds of U.S. forest lands, or almost 490 million acres, are classified as timberlands. Timberlands are defined as forest lands used for the production of commercial wood products. Commercial timberland can be used for repeated growing and harvesting of trees. Seventy percent of U.S. timberland is located in the East.
Of the 490 million acres of timberland, Federal, State, and local governments own 131 million acres (27 percent) and non-industrial private entities own 288 million acres (59 percent). Private timberlands are mostly on small tracts of forest land. Only 600,000 landowners have holdings larger than 100 acres. The forest products industry owns about 70 million acres (14 percent) of commercial timberland. One-third of the nation’s annual timber harvest is from these forests."

"Consumption of Forestry Products
The United States is the world’s leading producer and consumer of forest products and accounts for about one-fourth of the world’s production and consumption. The United States is also the world’s largest producer of softwood and hardwood lumber. In 1996, total annual sales for commercial (nonfederal) timber and nontimber forest products was approximately $3.8 billion. Timber alone accounted for approximately 69 percent of those sales. Also in 1996, Federal lands combined to produce approximately $75 million in timber and nontimber forest products."
http://www.epa.gov/oecaagct/forestry.html



While not timber, per se, the xmas tree industry faces much the same restrictions.

"Oregon produces the most real Christmas trees. In 2002, 6.4 million trees were harvested in Oregon."
"In 2002, 446,996 acres of land in the United States were in Christmas Tree production."
http://urbanext.illinois.edu/trees/facts.cfm
 
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