Executive Order #13524

For the purposes of this subchapter, the term "international
organization" means a public international organization in which
the United States participates pursuant to any treaty or under the
authority of any Act of Congress authorizing such participation or
making an appropriation for such participation, and which shall
have been designated by the President through appropriate Executive
order as being entitled to enjoy the privileges, exemptions, and
immunities provided in this subchapter.The President shall be
authorized, in the light of the functions performed by any such
international organization, by appropriate Executive order to
withhold or withdraw from any such organization or its officers or
employees any of the privileges, exemptions, and immunities
provided for in this subchapter (including the amendments made by
this subchapter) or to condition or limit the enjoyment by any such
organization or its officers or employees of any such privilege,
exemption, or immunity. The President shall be authorized, if in
his judgment such action should be justified by reason of the abuse
by an international organization or its officers and employees of
the privileges, exemptions, and immunities provided in this
subchapter or for any other reason, at any time to revoke the
designation of any international organization under this section,
whereupon the international organization in question shall cease to
be classed as an international organization for the purposes of
this subchapter.
 
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Superfreak said:
Which again leads to what I stated earlier... they are no longer subject to property searches and are no longer subject to the FOIA requests. Thanks.
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Uh, whether property is subject to search and whether it is subject to FOIA are two completely different and unrelated things.

It's nice to know that you read and trust the wingnuttiest of wingnut blogs out there.
 
NigelTufnel said:
Uh, whether property is subject to search and whether it is subject to FOIA are two completely different and unrelated things.

It's nice to know that you read and trust the wingnuttiest of wingnut blogs out there.
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So sorry oh king of obama apologists... I know you are incapable of recognizing anything that detracts from his holiness's image.

But guess what twit... if their property is NOT subject to search or seizure, the FOIA is pretty friggin pointless with regards to them.

Its nice to see your consistency in making excuses for Obama.
 
Superfreak said:
So sorry oh king of obama apologists... I know you are incapable of recognizing anything that detracts from his holiness's image.

But guess what twit... if their property is NOT subject to search or seizure, the FOIA is pretty friggin pointless with regards to them.

Its nice to see your consistency in making excuses for Obama.
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I'm not making excuses for anything. Indeed, there is nothing to excuse. I'm telling you that you couldn't find your ass with both hands in your back pockets and that you shouldn't believe everything you read on a two-bit wingnut website. That's all.
 
NigelTufnel said:
I'm not making excuses for anything. Indeed, there is nothing to excuse. I'm telling you that you couldn't find your ass with both hands in your back pockets and that you shouldn't believe everything you read on a two-bit wingnut website. That's all.
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Of course you aren't.

Its no big deal.

Just means that they can now operate within the US with absolutely NO checks on them. I know to the obama worshipers it is no big deal because Obama done told them so, but to the rest of us it is a little more important.

But I know... you apologists just do as you are told ...'just tell them they shouldn't believe two-bit wingnut websites and then pretend that is all you need to say to refute them.... just ignore the fact that the website cited was from the White House'

Let me guess... next you will tell us that because the mainstream media hasn't highlighted this little change of Obama's that the change didn't really occur?

you are such a hack.
 
Superfreak said:
Of course you aren't.

Its no big deal.

Just means that they can now operate within the US with absolutely NO checks on them. I know to the obama worshipers it is no big deal because Obama done told them so, but to the rest of us it is a little more important.

But I know... you apologists just do as you are told ...'just tell them they shouldn't believe two-bit wingnut websites and then pretend that is all you need to say to refute them.... just ignore the fact that the website cited was from the White House'

Let me guess... next you will tell us that because the mainstream media hasn't highlighted this little change of Obama's that the change didn't really occur?

you are such a hack.
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Hilarious. You're holding up Ed Morrisey at Hot Air as gospel and calling me a hack?

Nice work, douchebag!
 
NigelTufnel said:
Hilarious. You're holding up Ed Morrisey at Hot Air as gospel and calling me a hack?

Nice work, douchebag!
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No, oh king of apologists, I am not.

I am citing WHITEHOUSE.GOV. That is where the change is located. You are simply falling back into your pathetic 'attack the author/website' line of bullshit rather than addressing the actual FACTS within the article. The FACT is that Obama made the changes. The FACT is Interpol is no longer subject to any search/seizure and no longer subject to FOIA requests. The FACT is that the can now operate completely unchecked within our borders.

So yes douchebag... you are a hack... and the king of Obama apologists.
 
Superfreak said:
No, oh king of apologists, I am not.

I am citing WHITEHOUSE.GOV. That is where the change is located. You are simply falling back into your pathetic 'attack the author/website' line of bullshit rather than addressing the actual FACTS within the article. The FACT is that Obama made the changes. The FACT is Interpol is no longer subject to any search/seizure and no longer subject to FOIA requests. The FACT is that the can now operate completely unchecked within our borders.

So yes douchebag... you are a hack... and the king of Obama apologists.
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Show me where on the White House website it says that INTERPOL is not subject to FOIA. It doesn't. You read that on Hot Air and keep repeating it as though it were true even though there is no basis in fact for that conclusion. "Not subject to search and seizure" does not mean "not subject to FOIA." That is all.

And you're terribly uninformed on how INTERPOL operates within the United States. Within the United States, it operates though the United States Department of Justice which is indeed subject to FOIA.
 
NigelTufnel said:
Show me where on the White House website it says that INTERPOL is not subject to FOIA. It doesn't. You read that on Hot Air and keep repeating it as though it were true even though there is no basis in fact for that conclusion. "Not subject to search and seizure" does not mean "not subject to FOIA." That is all.

And you're terribly uninformed on how INTERPOL operates within the United States. Within the United States, it operates though the United States Department of Justice which is indeed subject to FOIA.
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Listen oh greatest of all hacks....

IF they are not subject to search and seizure, there is NO way to compel them to respond to a FOIA request. You can submit it, but they in no way have to reply because they know now that you cannot take it from them. Which means the only information they will provide is that which they CHOOSE to provide.

I am sorry if that simple logic escapes you.

I understand Interpol operates through the DOJ and up until this change by Obama, they were subject to FOIA requests. But now they do not have to respond. Period. All they have to say is 'we have immunity and you cannot take anything from our office'.

Since you brought the DOJ into it... I wonder how long it will take for the DOJ to figure out anything they don't want public, they can now hide in Interpol offices and fall back on the 'oops, now we can't get it back without their consent'
 
Superfreak said:
Listen oh greatest of all hacks....

IF they are not subject to search and seizure, there is NO way to compel them to respond to a FOIA request. You can submit it, but they in no way have to reply because they know now that you cannot take it from them. Which means the only information they will provide is that which they CHOOSE to provide.

I am sorry if that simple logic escapes you.

I understand Interpol operates through the DOJ and up until this change by Obama, they were subject to FOIA requests. But now they do not have to respond. Period. All they have to say is 'we have immunity and you cannot take anything from our office'.

Since you brought the DOJ into it... I wonder how long it will take for the DOJ to figure out anything they don't want public, they can now hide in Interpol offices and fall back on the 'oops, now we can't get it back without their consent'
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Just for giggles, do you know what the term "agency" means for purposes of FOIA? You should really look it up.

INTERPOL is only subject to FOIA through the DOJ-USNCB and nothing in the Executive Order changes that whatsoever. You should use this as an opportunity to learn the very valuable lesson that your shouldn't believe everything you read on a two-bit blog.
 
NigelTufnel said:
Just for giggles, do you know what the term "agency" means for purposes of FOIA? You should really look it up.

INTERPOL is only subject to FOIA through the DOJ-USNCB and nothing in the Executive Order changes that whatsoever. You should use this as an opportunity to learn the very valuable lesson that your shouldn't believe everything you read on a two-bit blog.
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Link? Provide us the source of your valuable knowledge, please. It seems that SF provided the WH website, you provide some sarcastic tidbit with no sourcing.
 
Damocles said:
Link? Provide us the source of your valuable knowledge, please. It seems that SF provided the WH website, you provide some sarcastic tidbit with no sourcing.
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SF provided the text of the Executive Order. We are debating the meaning of the text of that Executive Order. His source for the FOIA nonsense is Hot Air, which isn't worth a warm bucket of spit.

The fact of the matter is that INTERPOL is not an authority of the United States government and has never been and cannot ever be subject to FOIA. It is only subject to FOIA through the Department of Justice U.S. National Central Bureau of Interpol. The DoJ was not exempted from FOIA through this Executive Order and the Executive Order changes nothing with respect to FOIA requests to the DOJ-USNCB.
 
NigelTufnel said:
SF provided the text of the Executive Order. We are debating the meaning of the text of that Executive Order. His source for the FOIA nonsense is Hot Air, which isn't worth a warm bucket of spit.

The fact of the matter is that INTERPOL is not an authority of the United States government and has never been and cannot ever be subject to FOIA. It is only subject to FOIA through the Department of Justice U.S. National Central Bureau of Interpol. The DoJ was not exempted from FOIA through this Executive Order and the Executive Order changes nothing with respect to FOIA requests to the DOJ-USNCB.
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No you twit... I am not sourcing HOT AIR.

Again... If the offices of interpol are NOT subject to search and seizure... then there is NOTHING to compel them to respond to a FOIA request UNLESS THEY CHOOSE TO.

Follow along... I file a FOIA request for something Interpol has... with me so far?... good... now what happens if they say.... NO?

Tell us... what happens? What can we do at that point? Tell us oh wisest of all hacks...

Just because Interpol operates THROUGH the DOJ, that does not mean they have to comply with a FOIA request.

But please... do go on apologizing and spinning..
 
Bottom line is this... Prior to this, had information been requested and then refused, we had the option to go in an seize it. Now we do not.
 
Good Luck said:
Get a grip, dipshit. I am against what Obama did, not for it.

Removing immunities means foreign law enforcement agents operating under Interpol agreements have zero checks and balances. They can come in and "make mistakes", and their victims will have no recourse. That is not a good thing, and that is what I have been saying. Like I said, it would be as if our own government removed the exclusionary clause. (Do you even know what THAT means?)

However, making mis-statements like calling Interpol an international police force, only diminishes the argument against Obama's actions. Get the facts straight, then get your criticisms straight. Otherwise you look like a conservative version of Watermark.
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the International Criminal Police Organization (INTERPOL) :pke:
 
Superfreak said:
No you twit... I am not sourcing HOT AIR.

Again... If the offices of interpol are NOT subject to search and seizure... then there is NOTHING to compel them to respond to a FOIA request UNLESS THEY CHOOSE TO.

Follow along... I file a FOIA request for something Interpol has... with me so far?... good... now what happens if they say.... NO?

Tell us... what happens? What can we do at that point? Tell us oh wisest of all hacks...

Just because Interpol operates THROUGH the DOJ, that does not mean they have to comply with a FOIA request.

But please... do go on apologizing and spinning..
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Jesus Christ. INTERPOL is not subject to FOIA. Never has been. Never will be because it is not an authority of the government of the United States to which FOIA applies.

If you sent a FOIA request to MI-6 what do you think would happen? Nothing, of course, because MI-6 is not an authority of the government of the United States to which FOIA applies. If you sent a FOIA request to INTERPOL what would happen? Nothing, of course, because INTERPOL is not an authority of the government of the United States to which FOIA applies.

The only INTERPOL related entity that has ever been and could ever be subject to FOIA is the DOJ-USNCB. And it still is.

Jackass.


And you did rely on Hot Air. It's right there in this thread for Christ's sake.
 
NigelTufnel said:
SF provided the text of the Executive Order. We are debating the meaning of the text of that Executive Order. His source for the FOIA nonsense is Hot Air, which isn't worth a warm bucket of spit.

The fact of the matter is that INTERPOL is not an authority of the United States government and has never been and cannot ever be subject to FOIA. It is only subject to FOIA through the Department of Justice U.S. National Central Bureau of Interpol. The DoJ was not exempted from FOIA through this Executive Order and the Executive Order changes nothing with respect to FOIA requests to the DOJ-USNCB.
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Surely you can provide a link to these definitions you say prove your point. It would be helpful, and far more educational, to read information rather than ranting.

One does question the reason such an executive order would be necessary if they were not subject to the FOIA to begin with. It seems a bit illogical to exempt an already exempted organization. Please tell us the reason for this particular order, how it applies, and what are its impacts. I would prefer your sourcing to be something other than your own sarcasm. Again. The person you are arguing with here happened to have actually linked to the WH website, while you have linked exactly nothing to back up your assertions.
 
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