So let’s take this one at a time.

Jarod said:
Read the indictment, its followed up by pages of specifics that back up the above generalizations.

If I have time later Ill add some of them to this thread to see if I can get some of you intentionally ignorant idiots to read it.
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I read it. Apparently, you have not. Otherwise, you wouldn't be embarrassing yourself this way.
 
Jarod said:
In the first count of the D.C. indictment quoted above... He is guilty of...

“If two or more persons conspire, either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof an any manner for any purpose, and one or more of such a persons do at any act, to affect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned, not more than five years or both.”
18 USC 371

He is one of a group who conspired to defraud the United States, and at least one person took action toward that conspiracy.
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How did Trump do this specifically?
 
Jarod said:
The Indictment accuses him of Conspiracy to Defraud the United States under criminal statute 18 USC 371, that's just one of the three counts.
He is one of two or more people who planned to defraud the United States with regard to presidential electors.
He conspired to set up fake electors to go vote for him instead of Biden on January 6.
I have a hard time believing you are that dumb.
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There is no such thing as a "fake" elector. That is a fabricated MSNBC/DNC claim. How did Trump defraud the US? By challenging an election full of inconsistencies and potential fraud?
 
Jarod said:
The Conspiracy does include a lie, but that is just part of the crime. The first part of the indictment points out that Trump had a constitutional right to speech, and a constitutional right to lie; not a constitutional right to engage in a conspiracy to defraud the United States.

Fraud is often a part of illegal activity.

In this case, the lie was an element of a criminal conspiracy. You see, speech can be part of a crime. I understand this is more complex than you are used to, but lets compare it to something more basic.

If I go to a few of my friends and say...

'We all agree Bank of America stole money from me (a lie) and I want it back.'
Then the group and I plan to hack the Bank and extract money, then we have committed FRAUD based on a lie.

Can you see that its still a crime to hack the bank?
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Anyone that has to that much time trying make something believable is bullshitting people. In the final analysis you want to "get trump". You won't. Lying to try and prove someone else lied, rarely works.
 
Yakuda said:
Anyone that has to that much time trying make something believable is bullshitting people. In the final analysis you want to "get trump". You won't. Lying to try and prove someone else lied, rarely works.
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So anything complex is bullshit?

When people are dedicated to not understanding something, laying it out in simple terms (which takes time) sometimes shames them into seeing it.

I believe, and I know you will not admit it, that you see what I was explaining and now understand that your talking points were bunk.

Quantum Mechanics are complex and take time to learn and teach, but its not Bullshit.
 
Yakuda said:
Anyone that has to that much time trying make something believable is bullshitting people. In the final analysis you want to "get trump". You won't. Lying to try and prove someone else lied, rarely works.
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What did I lie about?
 
Jarod said:
So anything complex is bullshit?

When people are dedicated to not understanding something, laying it out in simple terms (which takes time) sometimes shames them into seeing it.

I believe, and I know you will not admit it, that you see what I was explaining and now understand that your talking points were bunk.

Quantum Mechanics are complex and take time to learn and teach, but its not Bullshit.
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You clearly can't read with comprehension.

The complexity of a topic is not all related to how much bullshit you can shovel about that topic. You shovel bullshit all day about topics no where near as complex as quantum mechanics
 
Jarod said:
Read the indictment, its followed up by pages of specifics that back up the above generalizations.

If I have time later Ill add some of them to this thread to see if I can get some of you intentionally ignorant idiots to read it.
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The thread claims it will take that "step by step." The paragraph posted that I referred to is so sweeping as to make Kafka or Stalin look like jurists.
 
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