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Now they have an all powerful executive branch
Israel now has no SUPREME court
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Now they have an all powerful executive branch
evince
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You hate the constitution now
That wouldn't help. The body that interprets the Constitution has been neutered.
This is what will happen if Trump wins and has a willing Congress. A piece of paper was never protection from a dictator. It's the people who manage it that protect democracy. We are on the brink of losing ours.
If enough Israelis want one, they'll get one.
Not quite, but I'm curious to see how it all works out.
That is indeed how these things work.
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He can just throw any decision the SCOI makes in the trash
I think a panel of people would make safer decisions than a wannabe dictator like Trump and Netanyahoo. Israel should have made a constitution. They had more than half a century to take care of this problem.
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After a war
It could include setting the powers of their SC.
Let's see if he does. Besides the Israelis pushing their own government, Israel could lose support of other nations depending upon which way this goes.
I wonder if they'll decide that the new law is "unreasonable"...
Basically, this unelected dictatorship simply declares laws to be "unreasonable" and rewrites laws as they see fit. Making themselves the legislature of Israel, unelected and undemocratic.
Likely there will be a "constitutional crisis" when they do find the law to be "unreasonable", it may actually force them to come to the conclusion that actually having a constitution with checks and balances could benefit them.
And he would have simply ignored that. A coup can only be stopped if there are people willing to stop it. My hope is that these nationwide protests will make him come to his senses, but I don't buy the idea that the Constitution would protect us from a dictator wanabee with support of the power brokers. What would happen if, say, Trump came in with a willing congress, added 10 seats to the court, and appointed Ted Cruz, Rudy. etc, etc. How is the Constitution going to protect us? The answer is; it won't.
Its an entire parliament that is actually elected. This pretends that it makes Netanyahu the legislature, it doesn't... It simply gives legislative power back to the legislature.
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The SC will declare this new law a breach of protections
Then Nuttinbutayahoo will throw that decision in the trash
It’s why they made the new law
So they could control everything
You are a fool
You backed the wrong team
You backed trump doing it here too
Up to the Israelis.
It really is. And it is exactly the same for us. It's up to the voters. As cliche as that sounds, it is the one thing that we can do to stop this nonsense. I think that will happen in 2024.
I'm pretty sure that the Supreme Court will rule that the "reasonableness law" is "Unreasonable" and that this will cause the courts and their legislature to be at odds to each other. (Often you'll read that the "courts and the government will be at odds", but those are two heads of one hydra). There are likely some portion of the IDF that will walk away and refuse to serve if Netanyahu simply ignores that ruling.
Instead of stripping them of any ability to overturn laws, they should define the limits of government so that they can rule on the actual constitution rather than just deciding politically that a law is "unreasonable" without any basis on which to rule that way. It is also interesting that the Supreme Court there self appoints, ensuring an infinite political majority causing folks to believe that there is an imbalance that needs to be corrected there.
IMHO, when only the members in your own coalition vote for something and the rest walk out what you are doing is very likely "unreasonable"... LOL.
While I understand the concerns, stripping them of all authority at all ensure that the representatives can run roughshod over the rights of the citizens. I would likely be against this reform, insisting on one that confirms rights and limits the powers of the government. A solid, written, existing constitution can overcome much of this kind of stuff by any legislature. The "executive" is always a member of the majority coalition in the Knesset there, so this basically makes Israel democratic in the same way you could say it is democratic to force sheep to vote in an election to decide what's for dinner when wolves and bears have a majority coalition.
Instead of stripping them of any ability to overturn laws, they should define the limits of government so that they can rule on the actual constitution rather than just deciding politically that a law is "unreasonable" without any basis on which to rule that way. It is also interesting that the Supreme Court there self appoints, ensuring an infinite political majority causing folks to believe that there is an imbalance that needs to be corrected there.
IMHO, when only the members in your own coalition vote for something and the rest walk out what you are doing is very likely "unreasonable"... LOL.
While I understand the concerns, stripping them of all authority at all ensure that the representatives can run roughshod over the rights of the citizens. I would likely be against this reform, insisting on one that confirms rights and limits the powers of the government. A solid, written, existing constitution can overcome much of this kind of stuff by any legislature. The "executive" is always a member of the majority coalition in the Knesset there, so this basically makes Israel democratic in the same way you could say it is democratic to force sheep to vote in an election to decide what's for dinner when wolves and bears have a majority coalition.