Election deniers have done more damage to America than anyone else

Tinkerpeach said:
He hasn't been convicted of any of that.

Are you saying some Americans are guilty before having a trial?
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That is the claim you make over and over.

Biden hasn't been convicted of child abuse, but that doesn't stop you and the others with BDS from claiming he's guilty despite not having a trial.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
That is the claim you make over and over.

Biden hasn't been convicted of child abuse, but that doesn't stop you and the others with BDS from claiming he's guilty despite not having a trial.
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We have no video evidence of Trump committing a crime, we do have video evidence of Biden sniffing, touching, and nibbling on little girls.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
There hasn't been a trial, that is the problem.

The left refuse to prosecute Biden for anything.
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There hasn't been a trial because no one has filed charges.

There are a multitude of local, county and state courts that are run by conservatives, where charges could be filed and prosecution could occur.

Why has not a one of them filed charges?
 
BartenderElite said:
Nah. The rhetoric is what made people believe our elections are corrupt & rigged - not "the system."
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I look at the two bills the Democrats tried to pass in Congress just a couple of years ago, the For (Fuck) the Voter's Act and the John Lewis Voting Act and all I see is mass corruption of our election system in them. That gives me less confidence in the process when one major party, in particular, is trying to codify cheating into law.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I look at the two bills the Democrats tried to pass in Congress just a couple of years ago, the For (Fuck) the Voter's Act and the John Lewis Voting Act and all I see is mass corruption of our election system in them. That gives me less confidence in the process when one major party, in particular, is trying to codify cheating into law.
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It's very likely that the vast majority who have "lost faith" in our elections couldn't name those bills, and have no idea they exist.

They listen to Trump; they listened to Fox; they listened to the pillow guy. That's why they think things are "rigged."
 
BartenderElite said:
It's very likely that the vast majority who have "lost faith" in our elections couldn't name those bills, and have no idea they exist.

They listen to Trump; they listened to Fox; they listened to the pillow guy. That's why they think things are "rigged."
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Doesn't change my argument one iota. If the system remains exactly the same, even if Trump and those using Trump's version of corrupt elections disappears doesn't mean that faith in our elections would be restored. I'd say, that faith in the process is declining, and the more the Democrats get things that were in that bill passed into law whether it's local, state, or federal, the less people will believe our elections are fair and free of fraud.

Things like:

No voter ID
Ballot harvesting
Vote swapping
Automatic voter registration when getting a license or ID card at DMV
Election 'seasons' lasting weeks
All electronic voting
All mail-in voting
Not purging voter registration rolls regularly
Ballot drop boxes

That's just some of the crap that cause people to lose confidence in the election process. It doesn't take talking heads on TV to do it either.
 
Flash said:
You obviously believe the people making the claims without easily checking the facts for yourself.

1. Detroit ballots are brought to a central location from every precinct in the county. Trucks are delivering those ballots throughout the night. The were not "found" and not all Democratic.
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Don't piss on my leg and claim it's raining.

{The fishiest results were posted in Fairfax County, where enough provisional ballots conveniently appeared to give state Sen. Mark R. Herring, the Democrat, an edge over state Sen. Mark D. Obenshain of Harrisonburg, the Republican. “They kept finding ballots,” a highly placed Republican source says. Mr. Herring was finally declared the winner by .007 of 1 percent of the vote in the final tally, making it the closest statewide race in Virginia history.



Republicans nearly always get the sticky end of the wicket. In 2008, Al Franken, the Democratic candidate for the U.S. Senate in Minnesota, trailed his Republican opponent by 215 votes out of 2.9 million cast. After working a protracted recount and a legal battle over disputed absentee ballots and ballots said to be counted twice, he was abruptly declared the “winner” by 312 votes. A box of Democratic ballots helpfully turned up in the trunk of a car.}
EDITORIAL: The art of stealing elections - Washington Times

Election fraud is the cornerstone of democrat campaign strategy.

2. False. Election laws are established by the state legislature with the approval of the governor and subject to judicial review by the state courts just like any state legislation. The Constitution clearly says these laws can be modified by Congress.
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"The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators."
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Show me a law by congress? This issue is the JUDICIARY - particularly the supreme court of Pennsylvania - altering election law to favor Biden.

The Supreme Court just ruled the legislative role is subject to judicial review; after all, the legislature cannot make a law that violates the state constitution or laws.
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My statement is more pithy and more accurate. SCOTUS ruled "fuck the Constitution."
3. In 2020, 54% voted in person.
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Utterly false.

{In 2020, 43% of voters cast ballots by mail and another 26% voted in person before Election Day. In 2016, 21% mailed in their ballots and 19% voted in person prior to Election Day.}

What Methods Did People Use to Vote in the 2020 Election? (census.gov)
 
BartenderElite said:
To answer the bolded:

Those on the right who beat the drumbeat of election lies every single day would have to stop, retract their statements, and let their followers know they were wrong and believe in the integrity of American elections. Trump is chief among those - he would have to tell his loyalists that he was lying the whole time, and believes he genuinely lost. He would need to concede, sincerely.
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Alternately, democrats could stop engaging in election fraud.

But you'll NEVER do that.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Doesn't change my argument one iota. If the system remains exactly the same, even if Trump and those using Trump's version of corrupt elections disappears doesn't mean that faith in our elections would be restored. I'd say, that faith in the process is declining, and the more the Democrats get things that were in that bill passed into law whether it's local, state, or federal, the less people will believe our elections are fair and free of fraud.

Things like:

No voter ID
Ballot harvesting
Vote swapping
Automatic voter registration when getting a license or ID card at DMV
Election 'seasons' lasting weeks
All electronic voting
All mail-in voting
Not purging voter registration rolls regularly
Ballot drop boxes

That's just some of the crap that cause people to lose confidence in the election process. It doesn't take talking heads on TV to do it either.
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Those do not make people lose confidence. When you register to vote the first time, you show ID and your voting status is checked. Do you become a different person later in life?
Ballot harvesting means nothing. If people around you ask you to drop off your ballot, how does that change the vote? The votes are all assigned to specific people an specific precincts.
Automatic voting registration does not make you vote. If you choose not to, it does not matter. Encouraging more people to vote make the choices better represent the people. It takes power from the few.
A long election session has been a characteristic of America for generations. Of course, it makes money for TV networks, radio and advertising companies.
Ballot drop boxes mean nothing. The ballots dropped off have to go to the precinct on the ballot. There it is checked and tallied if it qualifies.
The reason rolls are not purged regularly is that doing so costs the election commission lots of man-hours. It threatens nothing.
You are upset by things that simply do not matter. You cano\t resist a conspiracy, can you?
 
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BartenderElite said:
The Lindells, Lakes & Trumps of the world have set this precious republic back immeasurably.

There are millions now who will never trust a result unless their candidate wins. Think about that. If there are several pillars that represent the foundation of what we have, election integrity is one of them, and probably the most important. Without it, we can fall apart, very easily.

I'm sure someone will post a quote from Hillary or Gore - but both candidates conceded their losses. And neither came close to a fraction of the constant drumbeat we have heard from the deniers on the right since 2020.

Just to remind everyone: the Big Lie started because a narcissist who literally cannot accept losing - in any area of life - refused, not surprisingly, to accept his loss, and told everyone the election was rigged. He also said there was "massive fraud" in 2016, only because he lost the popular vote. He also called 2012 a sham.

And for anyone who believes there was a massive conspiracy: there would have to have been operatives and people in the know in at least 6 states, dozens of counties, and hundreds of precincts. I believe it was Ben Franklin who said that 3 people can keep a secret - if 2 of them are dead.
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DEMOCRAT ELECTION DENIERS

 
ExpressLane said:
So members of Congress denying the election isn’t a problem for you. BTW after she conceded Hillary went around the country saying Trump stole the election and was not a legitimate President
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Hillary conceded the next day. She honored the system. trump has not done so. He has greatly harmed the system.
 
ExpressLane said:
So members of Congress denying the election isn’t a problem for you. BTW after she conceded Hillary went around the country saying Trump stole the election and was not a legitimate President
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It's actually kind of funny to try to compare Hillary's few comments - AFTER SHE CONCEDED THE ELECTION - w/ the daily onslaught of election denial from Trump and his minions.

I'm really not sure if you're kidding.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
if you think that THIS particular moment in history is the one event that did the most damage to America, you must be a teenager.

go back down to mommas basement and start researching the last 100 years of American history NOT provided by the government or mainstream media mouthpiece.
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This is about self harm. Sowing distrust in your own free elections is suicide by poison to a democratic system. Trump made the first ingestion of that poison in August, 2020 in a speech when he said Biden could only win by fraud, setting the stage
for The Stolen Election two and a half months later. That Biden was leading in most all the polls then and on election day has been simply glossed over as much of the country fell for Trump's lie and continues to fall for it. You strike me as someone who
knows little of American history over "the last 100 years" or any other period but if you have worse "damage" to offer, let's see it.
 
martin said:
This is about self harm. Sowing distrust in your own free elections is suicide by poison to a democratic system. Trump made the first ingestion of that poison in August, 2020 in a speech when he said Biden could only win by fraud, setting the stage
for The Stolen Election two and a half months later. That Biden was leading in most all the polls then and on election day has been simply glossed over as much of the country fell for Trump's lie and continues to fall for it. You strike me as someone who
knows little of American history over "the last 100 years" or any other period but if you have worse "damage" to offer, let's see it.
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I have absolutely no interest in trying to provide examples of worse damage to someone who has absolutely no intention of changing their mind

you can believe whatever you need to in order to make yourself feel better about knowingly being deceived by democrats..........I don't really care. I have more important things to do than bang my head against a wall.
 
Nordberg said:
Hillary conceded the next day. She honored the system. trump has not done so. He has greatly harmed the system.
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Hillary said the 2016 was fraudulent and Trump was illegitimate President, That ain't "honoring the system". Hillary let Trump be investigated over the fake Russian Dossier that SHE had created. That ain't "honoring the system." If i say sorry then hit you in the face would you accept my apology? Hillary's concession means nothing if she then goes around saying Trump didn't win legitimately.

:facepalm:
 
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