TRUMP: “Whatever Happened to the Biden Documents Case?”

[Into the Night]

The Biden docs are a NOTHING BURGER.

Wrong. Biden should never have had them. He violated Title 18 JUST BY HAVING THEM. He had them for YEARS. Hunter had access to them during his travels to Ukraine and China.

YOU DON'T THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT??????!?

 

[Into the Night]

The GOP doesn't want to discuss anything important, they certainly can't point to any substantive legislation they have passed, that is why they are constantly focused on NOTHING BURGERS like Biden playing with a toddler or the white house cocaine.

Blatant lie.

 

[gfm7175]

It is. He thinks he's part of 'The Elite' and that he'll be protected!

Now THAT'S funny!

 

[QP!]

Yes he did. They were during HIS term.

Ok. But you know that PRA thing Trump likes to refer to?

Here is what it says.

...How much time do outgoing Presidents have to go through their papers to determine what to retain as personal documents?

The Presidential Records Act (PRA) requires the President to separate personal documents from Presidential records before leaving office. 44 U.S.C. 2203(b). The PRA makes clear that, upon the conclusion of the President’s term in office, NARA assumes responsibility for the custody, control, preservation of, and access to the records of a President. 44 U.S.C. 2203(g)(1). The PRA makes the legal status of Presidential records clear and unambiguous, providing that the United States reserves and retains “complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records.” 44 U.S.C. 2202. There is no history, practice, or provision in law for presidents to take official records with them when they leave office to sort through, such as for a two-year period as described in some reports. If a former President or Vice President finds Presidential records among personal materials, he or she is expected to contact NARA in a timely manner to secure the transfer of those Presidential records to NARA.

cite
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[Into the Night]

I would need a more relevant example as to its existence.

I don't see how blaming a president for the possibly unsavory character and antics of his grown-ass son
is even bringing up that subject.

That's what you're actually trying to do, not actually concerning yourself with the justice system.

RQAA.

 

[Into the Night]

That will make you lose in court 100% of the time.

No court was mentioned. Pivot fallacy. You are also wrong. Court cases have been won that way.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

ROFLMAO. I can't wait for the lawyers to make this argument and get sanctioned for making frivolous arguments.
The law is the law. The law is not what you are claiming here. You are the one interpreting the law in a ridiculous fashion. No one can be charged with a crime under the PRA since it is not a criminal statute.
The espionage act requires evidence of willful intent to charge a crime. The law is not interpretive. You have to have evidence and be able to prove that intent to charge the crime.

The law works the way it is supposed to. Not the way you are bastardizing it for your political purposes.

It is a law dumbshit.

 

[Into the Night]

Indeed.

Justice for thee but not for me.

More like injustice for thee and I get away scot free from justice.

 

[Into the Night]

Both Biden and Pence have been cleared of any wrong doing!

Injustice. Biden broke the law.

For the main reason, they volunteered handing over the documents with out having been asked to do so.

He didn't.

And 2ndly, they were determined to all be no longer Classified Documents, but rather Declassified and information already out in the public domain!

Blatant lie.

NEXT CHICKEN SHIT THREAD PLEASE!

You really are a dumb lizard, aren't ya?

 

[Into the Night]

It has bothered me.

Trump getting preferential treatment for so long when anyone else would have been instantly indicted and charged needed to be corrected and finally it is.

There is hope the justice system has corrected itself now.

Inversion fallacy.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

ROFLMAO. Can you tell us what the criminal penalty is for violating the Presidential Records Act?

Hint - The Presidential Records Act (PRA) is not a criminal statute so there is no crime to violate it.
The crime for Trump occurred when he obstructed a subpoena to turn over documents.

The only political bullshit I see here is you trying to claim a crime occurs under the PRA.

Sure, one the presidential records act is violated in invokes US code title 18, section 2071 which includes a fine and up to three years in prison.

While the PRA doesn't have a specific penalty tied to it it doesn't need to because this other law already is.

 

[Into the Night]

Which law are you referring to?
Claiming the law made it illegal would require you to cite the law and then show how his actions violated that law.

Most of the laws concerning classified documents require willful intent. That means you have to show that the person knew they had the documents and refused to return them. Which specific law do you think Biden violated by having documents he said he didn't know he had?

RQAA. Title 18. You have already asked this question and it has already been answered. Biden did it with wilful intent. He refused to return them for YEARS. Now, do you want to go over the other laws Biden has violated, like most of immigration law? How about his acts of treason?

 

[Into the Night]

...and now more mindless chanting from Nordberg...

You are correct. However Biden, like Pence did everything NARA asked and cooperated fully.

No, he didn't. He had document he never had authorization to even view IN HIS HOME. That violates NARA and Title 18.

They had misplaced documents.

He never should have had such documents to 'misplace'!

They were happy to correct that mistake.

No. Biden got caught at it!

NARA wanted the people's documents back.

They are NOT the "people's documents".

Trump deliberately stole a truckload of classified documents.

Blatant lie.

Refused to return them and lied to the FBI and NARA about them.

He doesn't have to 'return them'. Trump has all the authorization he needs to retain any document he wishes. BIDEN did not!

 

[QP!]

It is a law dumbshit.

Stop calling people dumbshit when everything you say is wrong and stupid.

You are factually wrong when you say the say application of charging the law is supposed to be blind and charge ONLY on the initial offense.

The entire history of jurisprudence in the US and elsewhere is things like 'cooperation', 'being an informant', 'throwing yourself on the mercy of the court in a guilty plea' CAN ALL get you different treatment in prosecution and sentencing as opposed to someone who denies,m obstructs and refuses to acknowledge the crime committed.


There is history of what you say, NONE, that says nothing matters after the offense and all people who break a law are treated exactly the same regardless of what they do after that.

You need to be less stupid.

 

[Jarod]

Wrong. Biden should never have had them. He violated Title 18 JUST BY HAVING THEM. He had them for YEARS. Hunter had access to them during his travels to Ukraine and China.

YOU DON'T THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT??????!?

I think he turned them as soon as knew they were there, no evidence he put them there. NOTHING BURGER!

 

[Into the Night]

A special counsel is investigating. Are you really this fucking stupid? Or is it just Trump that's a fucking moron?

Meh. Another DEMOCRAT 'special council' out to persecute Trump.

 

[Into the Night]

Trump said Hunter should be executed idiot


You were fine with that

Hallucination. I never said any such thing and neither did Trump.

 

[Into the Night]

I don't think they are "programmed to be stupid".

I think there was always a base of about 40% or so of any society that is stupid, and GOP strategists just decided that trying to get most or all of them into the GOP was a good strategy as they would be the least likely to realize they were being manipulated by the rich, in ways that harm their own interests.

The problem GOP strategists have is these stupid people are so dumb they do not recognize they are stupid and thus try to be the most vocal in the room offering views, which never ends well. Many stupid people are at least sensible enough to know they should probably be quiet and let others speak. The GOP is in big trouble as their stupid feel empowered to speak on every topic.

Psychoquacker. Insult fallacies. Bulverism fallacy. No argument presented.

 

[Into the Night]

The only people that can do something while he is President are the Houses of Congress. One does not indict a sitting President.

Yes they do. Impeachment is an indictment.

 

[Into the Night]

Sure, But all the non baseless ones with all the convictions or admissions already on the books, and the ones still to come ARE wrong doing.

Great. Then list all the indictments Durham and Weiss got that were not nothingburgers, if that is a lie?

I'll wait.

There are no non-baseless ones.