Russia vs Ukraine in 2024

Hawkeye10 said:
No, Russia took action because the West spent a decade building Ukraine into a battering ram against Russia and refused completely to negotiate a solution.....we dont want a solution.....we demand that Russia suffer because they refused to let themselves continue to be raped by the West after the Soviet Union fell.
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Fuck Russia, they swallowed up Eastern Europe and nearly destroyed them in the process. Why should anybody give a shit about those arrogant bastards? In the nineties I saw for myself how bad those countries had become under the heel of Communism, Putin is just another KGB operative who has run Russia as a kleptocracy for decades.
 
serendipity said:
Fuck Russia, they swallowed up Eastern Europe and nearly destroyed them in the process. Why should anybody give a shit about those arrogant bastards? In the nineties I saw for myself how bad those countries had become under the heel of Communism, Putin is just another KGB operative who has run Russia as a kleptocracy for decades.
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Based on the propaganda I heard growing up I considered all those east Europe communist countries to be somewhat evil, particularly the Soviet Union.
After reading up on the histories of Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania it was only Russia that was evil. They tried to erase the national identities and languages of those countries and actually deported nationalists from their own countries to Siberia that refused to be Russified.
No wonder all those countries wanted badly to be in NATO.
And good that NATO expanded and hopefully will continue to expand. Russia needs to be kept in check.
 
Margot said:
Right now America is backing the Ukraine.
But what if Trump were relected?
Would Trump back the Ukraine or would he back
Putin's Russia????
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Honest answer....NEITHER. I believe he would try to negotiate a peaceful end to the insane loss of life and money sucking clusterfuck of a war as soon as possible with give and take on both sides.
 
Stone said:
Honest answer....NEITHER. I believe he would try to negotiate a peaceful end to the insane loss of life and money sucking clusterfuck of a war as soon as possible with give and take on both sides.
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How would Trump get money for himself out of the situation!
Trump did have a part in the creation of Delta 8 indirectly, I thank him for that.
 
Fantasies can be nice but Trump is not going to be allowed to be our President, and the rump of Ukraine is going to do as it must long before the election.
 
Stone said:
Honest answer....NEITHER. I believe he would try to negotiate a peaceful end to the insane loss of life and money sucking clusterfuck of a war as soon as possible with give and take on both sides.
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Do you believe that Trump could negotiate a deal? You really do? There is a war going on. Ukraine has had thousands of citizens killed and their towns blown apart. Why would they listen to Daffy Donald? There will be peace like it was in Afghanistan. The people remember, and they have been taught to hate Russia and Russians.Ukrainians will drive Russia out.
 
Do notice that the EU tried to pressure Latin America to condemn Russia over Ukraine, and got told to pound sand.
 
Three days of Russian strikes have largely destroyed the ports. They have also announced an effective blockade. All of this after they pulled out of the grain deal where the West did not honor its agreements. You would think this would be a problem as the West runs propaganda blaming the Russians for global starvation but the problem for the West is that over 80% of the grain transported under the deal went to wealthy countries, less than 3% went to Africa. Also Eastern European farmers have been decrying their countries being flooded with Ukrainian grain, thus ruining their income streams.

Yet another thing botched by the West.
 
It needs to mentioned that last year the harvest held up well, something over 80% of normal I believe.....this year Ukrainian Ag is in collapse....exactly how bad is not yet known. Ukraine does not have the ability to transport much over land but increasingly this does not matter as there is so much less grain produced.
 
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